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For us who lived thru it the show is often hard to watch, but necesssry viewing. Gulf of Tonkin Resolution=weapons of Mass Destruction.=war on Terror. The beat goes on. And on
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Yep it was a far cry from the welcome the ww2 G I's experienced who when walking into a bar when home on leave they could not buy one drink on their own. The drinks were set up for them till they either passed out or happened to be able to leave on their own two feet.
Vietnam Vets on the other hand could not even think of wearing a uniform when landing at SF due to the changes that were happening in our society.
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yup, watched it again last night, the series is GREAT,
nice to see history in a way other than makes me want to ditch class..... lol ;-)
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I loved it! The dialogue with local Vietnamese people is what caught my attention.
We see vulnerability and a sense of shrewdness on their part. I captured some below.
Vietnamese : Well, baby, me so horny. Me so horny. Me love you long time. Me sucky sucky.
Serviceman: What do I get for $10?
Vietnamese: Anyting you wa.
Serviceman: Anything?
Vietnamese: Anyting!
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Pooch, what's his agenda...to be more honest than our government?
Any resemblance between the Vietnam era administrations and the Tramp White House is purely coincidental...(cough, cough)
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A very well done documentary.
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Pound if I remember right (in last night's episode), Burns said we put more bombs on that trail than we did on German cities in WWII. How much more "sh_t" do you want?
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You should watch last night's episode because it talked a lot about our Laos/Cambodia bombing strategy and how the trail was repaired shortly after each bombing. (That's why this series is so interesting to watch.)
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PBS (see Bud.lightly's links above too)
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Charlie does my mani pedi's I think
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You can tell by looking to see if there are any splinter of bam...sorry, not funny
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If you know the history, very clear he is building up the tale of woeful ignorance and arrogance to January '68 and the launching of the Tet Offensive. He left off last night with all kinds of foreshadowing about the summer of '67: puppet regime set up by Johnson in Saigon, the Ho Chi Min trail buildup, massive troop movements that were going undetected by the MACV. Shit is about to hit the fan.
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Not a fan at all of Burns. He likes to make all US history color blind. Leaves out Chicanos/Chicana achievements in all his shows.
interesting how people get all mad when vets are "disrespected", yet this fool insulted Brown WWII vets during his showing of this one sided "documentaries". let's not forget how he omitted Latin Jazz in his jazz history show.
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how and what makes him a liberal gas bag?? I just stated that he omits Brown people from his shows. how does that make him a liberal?? because he isn't on FAUX? cause he isn't funded by the Kochs?
if he is leaving out a section of our population to white wash history, that sounds like a right wing tactic to me.
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So, Burns is a gas bag liberal who's partially funded by David Koch. Sounds like a reasonable background for a "neutral" story teller. Now he may have left out info. on Latinos, OK possibly a fair criticism. But I still would rather see his documentary of Vietnam than just rely of what "history said." And I don't have time to read everything ever written on the war (with each item possibly having it's own angle to sell).
I'm starting to feel that the reason returning soldiers got such a raw deal was because of how the government ran the war (e.g., measuring success by body count) and the position it put soldiers in, not because the soldiers of that time were inherently bad people. But at the time, it was tough for the public to separate the soldier from the government because of how the government portrayed the war. Just my two cents...(some will think it's only worth one cent)
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To correct the record above, and avoid perpetuating "fake news", the Burns VN documentary said that LBJ, after finding out that US bombs over Hanoi and Haiphong had the opposite intended effect (i.e., hardening enemy resolve) announced he would stop the bombing of North Vietnam (but that dic not apply to the HCM trail. The Burns documentary stated that there was more bomb tonnage dropped on the trail & South Vietnam than the COMBINED amount dropped on Germany AND Japan---by one-third MORE. And, yes the VC had crews assigned to sections of the trail specifically equipped to immediately fill bomb craters so that supply trucks could keep coming, without significant interruption.
Burns documentary also stated that JFK would have pulled out of VN, except that such "retreat" would have been seen by his political opponents as weakness in his administration and failure. To me this is similar to the present-day GOP who now "have to repeal Obamacare", no matter what replaces it, because not doing so would be "failure" to keep a campaign promise to the red state voters.
JFK/LBJ/Nixon's decision to keep on "keepin' on" led to an enormous secrifice of lives and treasure. The enactment of a health care bill that fails the Jimmy Kimmel test will do the same. Except the lives and treasure lost will not be to the enemy, but to the oligarchs seeking to get wealthier "because they can".
Other than that observation, hey, everybody have a nice day!
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Silly me, I was trying to compare Vietnam history to the North Korean situation. Should have known the history of Vietnam foreshadowed the Obamacare fight...damn, so obvious. So Hoc, you think the Senate vote prior to Sept.30th will be the Obamacare's Tet Offensive. (After all, those Rep. are pretty sneaky fellows.)
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All I know s that I want Peter Coyote to narrate my life story...
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^^So that's what you're getting out of the documentary...and I was about to donate another 10 million to PBS...SMH
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Ken Burns is cool. I met him at the Telluride Film Festival in 2005. He was screening his WWII documentary.
I will say that he's kinda exhausted almost every story...baseball, civil war, WWII, Vietnam...what am I missing?
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jazz
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I was shipped off to Yam at the tender age of 18, I should of opted for a jail sentence instead. Now I have a bad case of Agent Orange. I live in Anaheim and it smells bad here.
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Thank you teeitup, probably the best one.
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Pierre Salinger was JFK's press secretary. In a book he wrote on JFK he claimed that JFK intended to pull out of Vietnam after her was reelected in 1964. A movie called "Executive Action" actually put forth the theory that JFK was assassinated because he was going to get out of Vietnam.
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I wonder if Burns will go into Mi Lai. This and other incidents were in part the reason our returning soldiers were treated so poorly. Our relationship to pacifying the South and our relationship to the South Vietnamese people should be dealt with in the series. Nothing much yet
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Compare Vietnan to the North Korea situation? You have got to be kidding. There is no similarity whatsoever. We should have learned from the French debacle in Vietnam....but we didnt.
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Be surprised if he doesn't cover it. Probably next episode since he's going chronologically.
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He laid the ground work for Man Lai tonight. After Tet, American forces were in nearly constant contact with the retreating NVA and VC, who were using the towns and rural villages in the interior as cover for their attempt to move back to Cambodia and Laos and the safety of the HCMT. He talked about the large scale troop strength depletion that had occurred and the tension and stress on the GI's. He also did a very fair job of highlighting the atrocities, war crimes really, committed by those retreating NVA and VC troops: large scale executions of men, women and children. The US troops were encountering this and also had unwritten instructions to assume that everybody was VC and to wipe out the VC safe harbor villages. Mai Lai occurred in the middle of one of those search and destroy missions in March, 1968. 1968 was the year the insanity reached the bottom ring of hell, here and there. Most people who lived through 1968 will tell you it was the point when they stopped believing in god.
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LBJ Admits Murder of South Vietnam's President Ngo Dinh Diem
This is the same shit that I see with W Bush, Obama, and Hillary.. Will see if Trump go down the same path.Hillery
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#GOODMORNING
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#VIETNAM
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