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teeitup
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Locked. No further comments permitted.Tramp has no idea what he's doing on healthcare
Oct 18 2017 11:55AM more by teeitup
Tags: Orange County, Current Events (All tags)

First, he lets Congress try to end Obamacare. Then he criticizes Congress when they can't end it. Then he pulls Obamacare subsidies with an executive order. Then he supports reinstating subsidies by supporting the Alexander/Murray Obamacare compromise. Now he and GOP leaders changed their minds and are against the A/M compromise.

I suggest just throw a dart at the options and go from there. At least my suggestion for a solution has some substance behind it. FMLT (more like FYLT, yes I mean you)
      
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jazz51
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Oct 18 2017 12:18PM     link to this

teeitup...

The subsidies were an executive order by Obama. It was already ruled unconstitutional.

Trump rescinded it because of that fact.

Now Congress, which has the power of the purse, can decide whether to provide subsidies or not.

Maybe you need to take a few lessons in Constitutional Law and the Powers of the Branches....

Trump is trying to clean up a unconstitutional mess left by Obama.

But everyone hates him so bad, they put all kinds of crazy spin on what he is doing......He actually is doing it the right way.....Damn, what a crazy idea.
teeitup
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Oct 18 2017 12:25PM     link to this

You need to read what I wrote, not what you want to read.

My point is he pulled them. Then supported them (as part of his support for the A/M compromise) and now is against the compromise. Oh, and he promised "really good healthcare" several times and is only delivering a shitstorm. The "really good healthcare" only appears to be for "really healthy people."
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Oct 18 2017 12:39PM     link to this

Just go to the free clinic like me.
jazz51
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Oct 18 2017 12:54PM     link to this

Read what I wrote.

He pulled them because they were unconstitutional.

His comment was about support of a bipartisan healthcare bill aimed at stabilizing Obamacare is a step in the right direction, but the current bill does not meet his overall game plan. Damn, can't a person say they are in favor of an approach, but NOT in the actual details?

The Murray/Alexander bill has been in the works for months and has been moving all over the place regarding content. So as it changes, it can become MORE appealing or LESS appealing to Trump. That is how legislation works. He is in favor of supporting subsidies that actually help the consumers, but not just lining the pockets of the insurance companies.

teeitup
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Oct 18 2017 01:12PM     link to this

^^So why doesn't he propose a solution to the subsidies issue if he's basically in support of them but not how they are paid now?

He never spells out what he'd like to see on most issues. He just throws hand grenades and then blames others for the debri.
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Oct 18 2017 03:47PM     link to this

He has outlined his plan. Items include:

Health care insurance purchased across state lines
Allowing associations (like AARP, CMA, etc.) to use buying capacity to purchase insurance plans for members
Allow states to craft their own health care alternative plans
Inclusion of health reimbursement plans with tax advantages
teeitup
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Oct 18 2017 04:05PM     link to this

1. Who does such a plan benefit? (Who will pay more than today and who pays less?)
2. Will more or less people have health care down the road?
3. Why can't such a plan get passed by congress?
jazz51
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Oct 18 2017 05:07PM     link to this

Blue.Diamond...

You might want to talk to a number of Canadian citizens to find out how their program REALLY works.

Thousands of Canadians come over the border each year to get procedures that they are on a huge waiting list to receive. Like many of the HMO providers in this country, the way it works financially is to 'ration' the care.
jazz51
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Oct 18 2017 05:10PM     link to this

teeitup...

All of the Dems are voting in a block....so the only way to pass anything is to get 50 Republicans on board.

However, many of the Republicans are 'free thinkers', not like the blind sheep Dems who follow Chuck and Nancy.

So many of the Republicans have points they would prefer and rather than pass something, they will hold out for their cause. Bottom line...the American people are the one's who lose. Of course, our Legislators have their OWN plan and would never want to be involved in what the 'common' people have...LOL.
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Oct 18 2017 05:33PM     link to this



Sounds a lot like the Libertarian position.

jazz51
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Oct 18 2017 05:36PM     link to this

The problem with Obamacare....we were all told a huge lie.

You can have your own doctor, you will pay less for your plan, etc.

However, no one really wanted to speak the words.....socialized medicine and that the middle class and rich people will pay for the poor to receive such care.

So we have this great program that is imploding under its own financial burden. Insurance carriers have bailed from the exchanges due to the major failure of the program....the healthy young people have opted to get the exemptions or pay the fines for not enrolling.

There were 12.7 million people enrolled in Obamacare for 2016.

There were 6.5 million people who opted for the penalty and that does not include the several million who have been granted exemptions....and those numbers have grown each year.

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Oct 18 2017 05:38PM     link to this

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lexmark8
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Oct 18 2017 05:44PM     link to this

Obama care was one big fraud. We have to pass it to see what's in it. Are you kidding me! Lol
DelilahRose
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Oct 18 2017 05:52PM     link to this

This blog is crap
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Oct 18 2017 05:57PM     link to this

DR..... just about ebery blog on here is crap.

Not many rocket scientists or brain surgeons posting in here.
jazz51
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Oct 18 2017 06:19PM     link to this

An executive order was made by obummer. Trump just rescinded it. Well within his powers as President. All my stats are totally accurate regarding the ACA. So if you are challenging something why donโ€™t you actually put you ass on the line.
DelilahRose
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Oct 18 2017 06:45PM     link to this

What's trump done? Other than nada
teeitup
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Oct 18 2017 07:10PM     link to this

DR, this is one of the closest blogs to a civil (non-shouting) discussion I've seen on HX in a while, so I have to disagree with you (for once).

"Obama care was one big fraud. We have to pass it to see what's in it. Are you kidding me!"
Are you kidding me Lexmark, in case you haven't been following the news, this has been the Rep.'s (McConnell's ) main tactic during the Senate's whole "debate" on healthcare.

Jazz, if the subsidy issue is Tramp's biggest issue (and I haven't heard his rail against a lot of other healthcare things in the last week), why not find a compromise with the Dems. on this issue. Yes I'm sure there are other issues but he hasn't spoken out about as aggressively as he has about subsidies. And as you said, he's for subsidies to help the poor.

Unfortunately it looks like Tramp is just trying to get an election promise "win" so he looks "good" and better than Congress.

With Tramp's view of healthcare, who will insure people who are sick today and with pre-existing conditions? How do you prevent them from having to pay a lot more than the average American (as was the case before Obamacare, cause I know I was one of those people)? The CBO has already said the Rep. plans will reduce the future budget but millions will drop healthcare plans.
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Oct 18 2017 07:31PM     link to this

Whateves
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Oct 18 2017 07:58PM     link to this

Whiny ass man bitches .
DelilahRose
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Oct 18 2017 08:10PM     link to this

Free your mind. Come do me Matha..
DelilahRose
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Oct 18 2017 08:18PM     link to this

It ain't my first time Blanche
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Oct 18 2017 08:35PM     link to this

Nice try. Obama and Nancy's cronies do all the spin. Just stop and be intellectually honest for once. Stop with your whining and spinning.

But I do appreciate you taking the time to at least read
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Oct 18 2017 08:38PM     link to this

Oh, and that's what your democratic leader said. The republicans didn't spin
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Oct 18 2017 08:41PM     link to this

^^^spin.....wheeeeeeee!
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Oct 18 2017 08:42PM     link to this

Yeah if Obamacare is imploding why is Trump talking about sabotaging it. Then Trump wants to find it again lmao schizophrenic much?
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Oct 18 2017 08:43PM     link to this

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