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Four shots to the God above. I dress like DJ Ron Love. They say what's with that gun love? I say what's with that gun love?
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its not just taking away that right its the slow erosion of that right. Its been the main plan of the brady campaign and the MDA.. you take away a small portion over a long period of time and no one care..
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you can see this happen to the 1st and 4th amendments
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Sun March 2, 2014 10 Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station.
Where there is a will there's a way.
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California is a great example of how the erosion of the 2nd Amendment plays out.
Several makes and models of handguns cannot be purchased new in California anymore. That’s because of a law that says any new model has to be “certified” by the state. A new model includes any new version of a certified gun. If you add a light rail, or change the type of sights that’s a new gun. As a result, a lot of gun makers aren’t selling in California anymore because it is just too expensive.
Every gun purchase requires a 10 day waiting period, even though the background can be done instantly. Even if you already have guns in your home.
Several models of rifles are banned because of cosmetic accessories. Because they “look” evil. If you possess one of these rifles, even if you purchased it legally, you are subject to arrest and having your property confiscated. BTW... This does happen. It’s not a hypothetical situation.
In order to purchase ammunition you need to have a background check performed and you have to buy from someone with a federal firearms license.
In some parts of the state getting a CCW is fairly easy, in other areas it’s nearly impossible unless you are friends with the Sheriff or Chief of Police.
Thru little bites here and there, it is becoming harder and harder to purchase a gun or shoot in California. Every year the state legislature passes some other inane law that whittles away at our 2nd Amendment rights.
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Lever action rifles for me. I never wanted or needed anything more.
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I've been in California for a long time and have been an avid shooter since I was in my early teens. I miss the days where K-mart sold ammo and Big 5 had a ton mil-surp Soviet bloc ammo and rifles for sale (I still have my M44 Mosin and SKS I purchased back in the early 2000s). I miss when CA gun shows were gun shows and not the "gouge shows" that they are now.
I've seen this state chip away the 2nd Amendment rights of its citizens for years and every year it has become harder and more onerous to be a law abiding gun owner in this state. CA politics doesn't sit on their laurels when it comes to gun laws. If you think it's bad now when it comes to 2A issues just wait till Gavin Newsom becomes governor.
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Adapt the concept of eminent domain
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Even Scalia, a conservative Chief Justice, said the 2nd amendment is not absolute. Reasonable regulation of the more dangerous firearms can be legislated. In California, felons and wife beaters can’t possess firearms for instance. This will never be overturned. Assault weapons are banned here. This won’t be overturned either.
In fact none of the amendments to the constitution are absolute. Fee speech can be regulated as well: can’t shout fire! In a crowded theatre for instance, hate speech and liable laws etc.
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I guess the problem is what is considered “reasonable regulation”. More often than not these “reasonable regulations” are written by people who don’t know anything about firearms. Instead of trying to actually solve a problem by placing responsibility where it belongs (Criminal or Nut Case) they try to regulate guns.
I wonder what people’s reaction would be if we started talking about controlling violence by regulating what you could post online, or by locking up nut cases at the first sign of instability without any due process. How about if we banned certain religions because some of its followers have commited violent acts?
Since so many people that don’t understand it are willing to start chipping away at the 2nd Amendment, let’s start chipping away at all of them. Eventually we’ll get rid of all of them.
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Believe it or not, guns kill. 
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And certain guns are designed solely to kill people. No other function. These are some of the guns that must be kept out of people’s hands , except the military. In a sense it’s not regulating guns but the murderous impulses of mankind.
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Cool to see YOU talk about it with such excitement holy moly!
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I thank you all for the new info.
I heard ca was the strictest state for guns.
I see how i would feel like the Gov was taking my rights away if there was a 10 day wait. Abortion can be 24hrs and that’s fucked in my view.
I heard that NZ has no guns allowed. But wait, if u are a registered collector u can have anything u want even a rocket launcher.
I heard another country has everyone must have a gun even scarey citizens. Hmm. Lots of choices.
We are a capatilistic. So however this plays out that has to be part of the conversation too.
I think a good compairison of other states and relevant variables could also help sort out the what works best for all.
How do we do this? Who knows. As best we can I suppose.
Again thx for the info and stories. U rock. I’m upgraded for sure.
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Let’s make sure we thank and honor all the children who have sacrificed their lives to protect our right to own guns designed to kill as many people as possible as efficiently as possible.
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>> no interpretation of the constitution I have ever read has given absolute no matter what type rights.
ok, the text of the 2nd amendment is:"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
that's not the same as 'free speech, but you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater'. because if you yell 'fire' it can cause a panic. that harms other people. i can knowingly defame your character either, since that also causes harm. and i can't search you home without a warrant (4th amendment) because that can cause harm.
but where is the harm for me to have a weapon of any type, for my own use, in the privacy of my home? it's not hurting anyone. there is no harm.
>> where does any proposed law take away the second in its entirety.
none of the proposed laws are trying to take away the 2nd -in its entirety-. but they're working it down. there are already laws that say automatic weapons are illegal. 2nd amendment doesn't cover that. nor does it cover certain types of weapons- and many states have passed laws limiting or outlawing certain types.
the concern is that, if some parts of the 2nd have their 'teeth' removed, other parts will follow. an example of this can be found with the 4th. if you need a warrant before you can search or wiretap someone, there is a protection in place so it cannot be abused. but the nsa has illegally wiretapped hundreds of americans using the patriot act under the heading of 'national security'.
where exactly does this line get drawn? when is the necessity of national security more important than an individual's constitutional right?
this might be ok when it comes to searches and wire taps. but the whole point of the 2nd is to give power to the people. that power is to exercise that right should the government become too powerful. too totalitarian. but if the government removes the right, how do we fight the government? we have no weapons to do so.
so it boils down to this: the 2nd amendment is a check and balance. its intention is to keep the government in check. to give the people the ability to overthrow it, should the need arise. if the government becomes too powerful and removes the right of the people to overthrow it, we've lost. and the founding fathers didn't want that to happen.
there is a quote often attributed to thomas jefferson (but he didn't say it): "the beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." these are the first steps in trying to take it. i don't want that to happen.
i also don't want the 1st amendment to be taken away, but without any laws passed, that's being infringed upon already. we can't use words like 'retard' (which simply means 'slow') or 'cripple' without getting stares. we have to say 'develop mentally disabled' or 'physically handicapped' or some other phrase. only black people can use the word 'nigger' without some liberal getting wound up. our language is being eroded by this. even the word 'nationalist' (which used to be synonymous with 'patriot') now means 'fascist' if you ask google. and if i refer to someone as 'she' when 'he' wants to be called 'he', that's considered assault.
i don't want the 4th amendment stripped away, but that's happening too. aside from the nsa's wire taps, there are hundreds of cases of people being stopped for normal traffic violations and having 'large sums of money' confiscated by the police or highway patrol because they suspect the 'perpetrator' to be a drug dealer. one case was $2,000 seized from a college student who was traveling to school. the money was given to him by his father so he'd have cash at school. he wasn't arrested for drug trafficking. but the money was seized and it took years to reclaim it. guilty until proven innocent in this case.
if these fundamental rights keep getting eroded little by little, eventually we'll wake up one day and have none of them. so they must be protected.
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I believe NY and IL are stricter than CA, but they all are run by left wing regressives
all are sanctuary havens with high crime, major homeless problems, high illicit abuse etc
like it or not, there are 39 states that allow real assault weapons, and destructive devices. after very extensive backround checks by BATF, FBI, and local LE, typical time currently is almost 12 months
30 years ago it was maybe 4 months
as a resident of tennessee, I resent having my rights as a legal gun owner abridged by this state run by a bunch of greedy money grabbing loons and gun hating hypocrites
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Im NOT reading all that 😖
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Every single waste of Protozoa crying about MUH FREEDUM would give that shit up in s fetal heartbeat if one of their loved ones got shot.
Kids just trying to go to school.
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Whenever dictators come into power, the first two things they do are take over the press and confiscate privately owned guns. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam Hussein - all of them. That should tell us all something about private gun ownership being a check on government power.
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We regulate cars. We require a test and a license to prove a certain level of competency to operate one. We established a minimum age to operate one. We require motor vehicles be registered. We keep track of them and the people licensed to operate them by computer. Nobody says the government is trying to take my car away because of these regulations.
For those who still hold the fantasy that the AR-15 in their closet will protect them from a tyrannical government with tanks, RPGs, mortars, artillery, drones, laser guided bombs, EMP generators, stealth bombers, Blackhawk helicopters, and tactical nuclear weapons, you’re about 100 years too late.
And one last thought; a “well regulated militia” doesn’t go around shooting up schools, restaurants, churches, and night clubs.
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“And one last thought; a “well regulated militia” doesn’t go around shooting up schools, restaurants, churches, and night clubs.”
Yeah.... but they could if they wanted to.
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People are so illogically reactive.
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The VC did a pretty good job holding-off the “Big Green Machine” with little more than small arms. I saw plenty of F4’s, F100’s, B52’s, AH1’s, 155mm’s and M48 tanks, used against those tough little guys. Guess what? Their resolve was inexhaustible. We got tired and gave up.
Please don’t underestimate a motivated populace fighting tyranny.
Also: ya don’t need a AR to do a lot of damage. Just rent a UHall truck and mow down some pedestrians. After all...We register cars, don’t we?
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I painted all my [previously known as] Black rifles PINK, so they'd be less offensive. My M24 looks like a Nerf - US Optics even has a yellow option.
God bless Eugene Stoner, McMillan and Lauer Custom Weaponry.
In the words of the Peloponnesians: "Come and take them."
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YES!
Smart Cars only!
Better Yet: Bicycles
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Don’t forget high capacity vehicles. One of those crashes and it takes a lot of people at one time. No more mini vans or buses.
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People need to figure out a solution to these mass murders or else the government will keep chipping away at the 2nd amendment and nobody wants that. The government probably doesn't mind crippling the 2nd amendment but if they don't figure out a solution to these ass murders it's about time they took a serious pay cut. Why pay politicians a high wage that aren't doing their jobs to a satisfactory level. That's how it works in any job. It's going to be up to the people to act fast and come up with a solution to these mass murders or else the government won't do good for the 2nd amendment. God bless America.
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If the number of threats after shooting incidents rises and not falls that says more about publicity and coping mechanisms than about guns. The FBI had at least one report about Cruz that got lost. This seems to have been lost as well. The dissaffected and dysfunctional are always going to be drawn to making the last big splash. If the students want to make a difference the rooting out bullying and noticing they dysfunctional me get make the real difference.
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^^ and the media will always be draw to publicizing it 'in the public interest'. yeah right, they're trying to get page views and push the globalist agenda.
stop sensationalizing the kilings.
if you have to televise it, stop referring to these 'people' as 'the alleged gunman' and call him 'the latest idiot' or 'look what this fool did'.
stop interrupting the 11 o'clock news for the latest car chase.
as long as some people get their 15 minutes, they will always be more people looking for their own 15 minutes.
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>> If someone wants to do something, they’re going to do it.
completely agree. if they don't have access to guns, they'll use knives, cars, baseball bats. but the media will still sensationalize this. after britain outlawed guns, there was a steep rise in murder by knife. (as well as home burglaries because the burglars know that no one has a gun.)
>>They need to fund more tax dollars for beefing up security for all schools,
>>and make a more secure environment for all school facilities.
guns are already illegal on school campuses. beefing up security sounds good, but who's going to pay for it in an era of school funding evaporating? they can't pay teachers a decent wage, now they need to hire armed security guards? this will be hard to accomplish. everyone wants action but they're not willing to pay for it.
>>Yes, background check and mental health evaluation to purchase a fire arm.
already in place. the problem isn't the requirement of background checks. the problem is that things still fall through the cracks. human error. and human resources needed to perform the checks and ensure there are no errors. again, this will need funds.
>>Maybe make it so the purchaser needs to buy a gun safe, and register it like a gun,
>>or somehow keep track if a gun owner already has an appropriate size safe for his guns.
unreasonable. this is like requiring the owner of a new car to have a garage. gun owners are already responsible for their gun. if a child gets access to it and accidentally shorts their sibling, the owner can be tried in the case. this has happened. and ballistics are run on firearms before they leave the factory. so when a bullet is matched to a gun, the cops go knocking on the door of the person who is the registered owner and starts asking lots of questions. you also don't need a safe. i have trigger or bolt locks on all of my guns. (except the .45 in the nightstand) they're secure.
>>Enforce a strict punishment for those selling guns that are not registered.
already done. dealers that break the law are subject to fines, loss of their license to sell, jail time, and the revocation of their 2nd amendment rights because they committed a felony, etc. sounds pretty strict. but this doesn't stop the gang bangers who trade guns like they're candy.
in almost every case with these shootings, the person who commits the crime should not have had access to the gun. but somewhere along the line, the system broke down. and even with all the checks and balances in place, they can 'borrow' or 'take' a gun from a legal gun owner and go commit the crime. that's what happened at sandy hook if you remember.
if we keep putting more checks and balances and requirements on legal gun ownership, the only thing it will accomplish is to make it harder for normal law abiding citizens to purchase and own guns. the guys breaking the law will have the guns and regular citizens won't. not the desired result.
the system is flawed, i would agree. but i don't think making it harder to have legal gun ownership is the answer. somehow, we need to remove the desire to commit the crime. or to achieve the notoriety. something is driving the perpetrators to think that 'hey, let's shoot a bunch of people today' is a good idea. that's what needs to be removed. not the rights of law abiding citizens to have a gun- for whatever purpose the law abiding citizen wants to have the gun.
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All true, but there is something else going on. Firearms have never been more regulated and difficult to obtain. I recall buying guns offered for sale from classified ads in the newspaper. Private, person to person transactions were legal. Today, in calif, all legal sales must be brokered through a licensed gun dealer, with the requisite background check and waiting period. Yet we have this terrible increase in mass school shootings. It ain’t the gun. Hell, civilian legal, high cap mags, in semi-autos have been around for over 80 years (Browning Hi-power). M1 Carbine etc). We didn’t have school shooting in the days when one could walk into a store and walk out with a M1 and a bag of 30 round mags.
So what is it? A social pathology, that appears to be infectious?
What is the solution? ..... Rather, What Is the Practical Solution?
Minds, much better than mine, have to get together and hammer-out some viable, realistic and practical solutions, and put divisive petty politics aside.
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"Every single waste of Protozoa crying about MUH FREEDUM would give that shit up in s fetal heartbeat if one of their loved ones got shot."
Wrong. I wouldn't, and they would never want me to, either. You're either Pro-2A, warts and all, or you're not.
This reads like an assault on anybody even slightly right of center. Don't even get me started on the complete and utter emotional lack of logic in deciding that AR-15's are scary, but handguns with similar rates of fire and magazine capacity are just A-OK, as are pressure cookers, of course.
But more than that, the argument about the power of the U.S. military versus light arms in the event of an attack on the civilian population is too simplistic. One commenter noted the VC, and he nailed it, but more than that, if any military used some such advanced killing machines against its own population (assuming they have them), the world wouldn't let it stand. It's would be exponentially worse if it were our country because we're the world's policeman.
Class, does anyone know what happens when the citizenry stops trusting law enforcement worldwide?
Yeah. Chaos, more guns, possibly WWIII. 2A acts as a check against the government.
Remember: 2A protects 1A.
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