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abra.lin
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Locked. No further comments permitted.Trump was wrong on the biggest issue
Dec 1 2017 11:35PM more by abra.lin
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He cannot pardon himself in case of impeachment. Impeachment is the "sentence" and he cannot void that as written in the constitution.

He can pardon anybody else except for state crimes. But after the truth is out, a pardon doesn't do any good to himself.

Can preemptive pardons use to cover up? You can pardon the sentence but literally, it cannot stop the investigation nor testifying. Some say that you cannot claim the 5th because, with a preemptive pardon, you will not incriminate yourself by talking. And if you lie, the pardon won't cover new crimes.
      
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jazz51
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Dec 2 2017 08:00AM     link to this

And Mr. Fahrenheit, you are a financial expert and have analyzed all of the details of the plan. Or just listened to others who also haven’t analyzed the plan?
jazz51
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Dec 2 2017 08:03AM     link to this

The rich pay the most taxes, so it is blatantly obvious they will benefit the most from cutting taxes. People who pay little or nothing can’t benefit... they are already having other people pay for our government and various benefits.
rodd2468
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Dec 2 2017 10:45AM     link to this

If you add up all the people that make $100,000 or less that pay taxes it totals about 12% of all taxes collected
jazz51
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Dec 3 2017 12:22PM     link to this

I love how people who pay little of the total tax burden are insanely jealous of those who might get a reduction for the huge amount of taxes they pay.

Tax Year 2015
Percentages Ranked
by AGI AGI Threshold on
Percentiles Adjusted Gross Income Share (Percentage) Percentage of Federal Tax Paid

Top 1% $480,930 20.65 39.04
Top 5% $195,778 36.07 59.58
Top 10% $138,031 47.36 70.59
Top 25% $79,655 68.99 86.62
Top 50% $39,275 88.72 97.17
Bottom 50% <$39,275 11.28 2.83

This is the reality of the tax burden. The top 1% make 21% of the total adjusted gross income but pay almost 40% of the taxes.

The bottom 50% make 11% of the total income but pay less than 3% of the taxes....and they complain about 'fair share'.....really???

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https://www.ntu.org/foundation/page/who-pays-income-taxes
jazz51
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Dec 3 2017 12:29PM     link to this

Hey Martha....

We might not have a 'broken' society if people stopped whining about everything and bitching about the rich and actually got a good education and a good job. It is amazing what hard work can get you.
socaliam
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Dec 3 2017 01:06PM     link to this

Biggest issue:


Can he beat whatsherhag?
Detroit51
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Dec 3 2017 03:41PM     link to this

I hate Trump but I cannot lie. its going to make me even more money. Since I moved to Canada. I hold most of my US assets including the sale of my principle residence in an "S" corp. Unless the NYT and the LA Times are both faking the news, it appear S corps will pay a max of 20 percent while you chumps still working will pay upwards of 30% on incomes over 100K or so. I will also be allowed to deduct everything ( unlimited property tax) including my trips down here to "inspect" my properties ! !

Gotta love it while it lasts.


And of course nobody has read the bill. The GOP didn't allow hearings or public comment. It's not law yet but I am very confident that the S corp exception will survive committee. Their are rumors that there is a real estate exemption as well put in just for Trump that will reduce what was once taxed as ordinary income down to a 14% max. Here is hoping !!!
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Dec 3 2017 03:52PM     link to this

Sooo, you're the kind of productive person tbat the tax bill aims at assisting.

As opposed to taxing the snot out of.
abra.lin
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Dec 5 2017 04:20PM     link to this

Once he knows he can't pardon himself, the next

Claim that he cannot obstruct justice, lol (because he did)
AND
Can't be sued in state court (he is being sued now)

For diversion, he just did a Jerusalem. The analysis is that white working class support isn't great. He got the support of whites across the spectrum, decreasing with education and income. May I ask what's good for America if Israel moves capital? Peace? lol. I predict the US will pay with American lives.
abra.lin
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Dec 5 2017 04:40PM     link to this

SixD, I assume all who can write here read the headlines. I think I won't be misunderstood whatever shortcut I use. And for supporters, it means loud fans for the white working class who aren't benefiting from tax cuts. For other whites, supporters mean voters. That's called overloading in languages.
DelilahRose
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Dec 5 2017 06:18PM     link to this

Trump is a fucking idiot.
Detroit51
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Dec 6 2017 05:55PM     link to this

D. Rose...I agree Trump is an idiot but from Melania's mien, I don't think he is doing much fucking. Every time he speaks I try to feel sorry for him because his dementia is getting worse and worse.
the5th
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Dec 6 2017 08:26PM     link to this

Jesus Christ...

walks into an inn, hands the innkeeper 3 nails, and says

Can you put me up for the night!




Seriously, you're all fuckin' idiots. Anyone who reads Hx blogs expecting to read intelligent political discussion is fuckin' high, fuckin' stupid, or both.
abra.lin
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Dec 7 2017 08:17AM     link to this

You have no idea. First, there is the Chinese Internet Army, who posts on every board it has an interest. But it was lame. Then, there are the Russian Sleeper Trolls. Once woken up, they behave just like locals who use any means to influence elections. You can see them in action here who never say any rational or irrational reasons why they voted for. Next, there's the new AI Trolls who are designed to blow their fuses, being deployed in a very specialized testing ground.
KaiserSoce
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Dec 7 2017 08:36AM     link to this

I see corn in my poop.
abra.lin
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Dec 7 2017 08:50AM     link to this

The GOP is the problem. They will use any means to keep them in power to push their agenda, eg, Moore.

White working class support for Trump is a myth. It's the white middle class who voted for him, the majority decreases with increased education and income. I would think if your kids are in private schools and private universities, you are qualified voting for GOP. There aren't that many. Keep cutting public education will sure keep the GOP in power.

I'm not saying DEM is not the problem. But producing informed voters can't be bad.

Voting for white identity is really stupid. GOP is all green. They are people color blind. When they need cheap labor they go brown. MMMM - make me more money.
abra.lin
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Dec 7 2017 09:08AM     link to this

You don't even talk sense. Fuse blowing?
abra.lin
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Dec 7 2017 09:28AM     link to this

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