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Jul 24 2019 01:03PM more by DeLaine
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Please discuss this lunatic


Particularly interested in hearing from other lunatics who buy into his ideas of dominance hierarchy and alpha males


Thanks in advance
      
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Jul 24 2019 01:25PM     link to this

Well...........


Oh wait Who?
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Jul 24 2019 01:45PM     link to this

I truly enjoy his outlook on life.
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Jul 24 2019 01:53PM     link to this

The SJW's can't even define Toxic Masculinity.
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Jul 24 2019 02:01PM     link to this

I'm watching a YT series right now about one of his books, chapter by chapter.


It's kind of making my head explode. And it's really making me wonder how such an obviously intelligent person can make such unreasonable conclusions



Like.... people don't actually buy into this stuff. Right?
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Jul 24 2019 02:03PM     link to this

As I said, I enjoy his outlook very much. From my point of view, he makes perfect sense.
longwalker
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Jul 24 2019 02:05PM     link to this

The people that buy his stuff, Can and do think for them selves.
loucfirr1
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Jul 24 2019 02:13PM     link to this

Tell me one of his assertions and I'll tell you if I agree.
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Jul 24 2019 02:15PM     link to this

He refuses to use PC gender pronouns
DeLaine
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Jul 24 2019 02:15PM     link to this

Um... yeah... they sure can. Didn't say they couldn't lol



From what I've seen so far, his writing is just a repackaging of religious mythicism blended with Jungian archetypes and enough vague language to allow him to back out of any statements he makes.

Oh and that somehow women are responsible for men's feelings, self loathing and insecurities. That's the one I really can't wrap my head around.

(Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying that women can't be purposefully hurtful toward men, because obviously they can be. I'm referring to his whole diatribe about original sin and that's a whole huge mess to get into)



And any helix represented in ancient art is a secret nod to DNA because.... reasons
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Jul 24 2019 02:16PM     link to this

There are only 2 "TWO" genders.
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Jul 24 2019 02:17PM     link to this

I agree women are at fault for all mens failings. What's another one?
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Jul 24 2019 02:18PM     link to this

Crick and Watson would not be pleased.
longwalker
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Jul 24 2019 02:18PM     link to this

it's not women in general that are the issue. It's Feminism.
DeLaine
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Jul 24 2019 02:21PM     link to this

Feminism?


Like 3rd wavers and TERFs? Bc it seems like TERFs might actually agree with a lot of what he says.


Or like all feminism? Bc that's wasn't what I was really getting from the material I saw, which specifically in this case was from his "12 rules" book. I know you might be referring to his other content.
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Jul 24 2019 02:21PM     link to this

mostly the 3 rd wave.
DeLaine
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Jul 24 2019 02:22PM     link to this

That's wasn't?


Ugh its not even a Monday and I'm fucking up the English language...
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Jul 24 2019 02:23PM     link to this

i did buy his book. However I have 2 other books to read before I get to it. I'll let you know later.
DeLaine
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Jul 24 2019 02:28PM     link to this

I'll agree that 3rd wavers and other feminism outliers are pretty toxic, but they're a small minority and I can't really wrap my head around the idea that they'd be responsible for the low self esteem of an entire gender.


We can have a whole conversation about how expectations for men are skewed unreasonably by media and entertainment, and I believe that has a significant influence on how men see themselves, but that's also the case for women, and I don't think 3rd wave feminists are responsible for media and entertainment tropes. That's the same argument that Anita Sarkeesian is making about how women are portrayed in video games. It just doesn't hold water.
DeLaine
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Jul 24 2019 02:31PM     link to this

TYT is biased, lie-by-omission trash



@longwalker I'd actually be interested to know what you think about his book when you finish it. I may not agree with you, but I'm not trolling and I'm genuinely trying to understand this POV. No disrespect here.
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Jul 24 2019 02:39PM     link to this

I don't really except that men on the whole are suffering from low self esteem. It is only a small percentage that do. I.E. week mind, low self esteem to begin with.
Please don't forget, the ME 2 movement. That has had a major impact on men in general. And the corporate world in particular.
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Jul 24 2019 02:57PM     link to this

Fubar====Correct again.
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Jul 24 2019 03:08PM     link to this

Alphas run this sh*t. Sit down and make daddy a sandwhich.
DeLaine
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Jul 24 2019 03:23PM     link to this

An "alpha" is the most ludicrous concept I've ever heard lol, and the guys I've seen described as "alpha males" are the ones that I would perceive as trying to over-act to cover up their insecurity, and they turn into bullies and jerks in the process. I'm generalizing here, but most women aren't attracted to bullies, most women are attracted to confidence and charm. IMO a lot of the problem comes in when people confuse the idea of "confidence" with bullying, pushiness, etc, and they confuse "charm" with pickup lines.


I agree that the "metoo" thing drastically changed corporate culture, and the way men feel (or don't feel) comfortable around women. Walking on eggshells is not a good way to be, and I don't think we're better off for it as a whole.
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Jul 24 2019 03:47PM     link to this

I would consider you an Alpha Bitch
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Carl Jung does not approve this
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I saw Canadian Clinical Psychologist and I decided I would not waste my time.
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Jul 24 2019 04:15PM     link to this

I like you Delaine...despite the bad press.

One article below for the Alpha "Science" theory (bullshit) supporters.
And an easily consumed video for the knuckle-draggers.


















Trump, the "Original" Night King
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DeLaine
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Jul 24 2019 06:07PM     link to this

Problem with most of this is, people aren't nearly skeptical enough about the things they read, or hear, or watch.
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Jul 24 2019 06:23PM     link to this

Great doubt and great faith are both necessary. Evolutionary biology may play its role but we are not slaves to it. We do have choices and we do have decisions to make every day. That being said we do slip up because we are human. That is why we need to have a level of compassion.
We have to be responsible for our actions. Too often we project our shortcomings onto others and blame them for our woes.
Politically we project onto Muslims, minorities, immigrants or whatever is the target du jour.
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Jul 24 2019 07:38PM     link to this

I haven't heard all of his thoughts on different subjects but I do like a lot of what I have heard from him.
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Jul 24 2019 07:42PM     link to this

can you link the yt vid you're watching?
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Jul 24 2019 07:56PM     link to this

I find long-form JP quite cogent. Since he speaks complex thoughts beware the five minute excerpts
He says competence hierarchies are part of nature and over time hierarchies can become corrupt..

Watch his 50 minute discussion on creativity at the National Gallery of Canada. That's as good as it gets.
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Jul 24 2019 10:16PM     link to this

I heard him on the Joe Rogan Podcast a few times and I liked what I heard.
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Jul 24 2019 10:48PM     link to this

I'm halfway done with his book. I've watched numerous videos and I like his points.. but it's too controversial for me to elaborate on here.
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