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Dec 7 2019 11:16PM more by KaiserSoce
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It was stated in another blog that the Electoral College System had its roots in maintaining slavery... which implies it is a racist system.

The writer also didn’t like my factory analogy and called it “the dumbest defense of the electoral college ever given.“ Everyone knows most analogies break down in the details... so it wasn’t intended to be an item by item comparison... but simply make the bigger point. Which I believe it did.

Where his claim that southern states voted for it because their goal was to preserve slavery is correct. He is incorrect about the Ultimate goal of the Electoral College.

The reason we live in a republic rather than a pure democracy is that in a pure democracy... those in the minority have no power. They are always run over by the majority... even if the majority may be wrong.

The United States weren’t very United at the time. Southern States felt like their interests were not being represented on the Federal level. The South, Midwest and West were rural and less populous and the North East had larger more densely populated cities, Other parts of the country believed those being elected to the Presidency had no incentive to consider their needs and desires. All he had to do was campaign in the north east. Winning there alone would guarantee victory.

As a grand compromise, and seeing the wisdom of a weighted system rather than a simple counted system, made it so whoever runs to be the leader of the entire United States had to win votes in every region rather than just the densely populated areas.

So where souther states agreed to the electoral college because it served their selfish interests to preserve slavery, the rest of the country agreed because they also saw pure majority can be abusive.
Hence, the two systems.

Local elections are usually pure majorities. House and Senate. The Presidency to be decided by a weighted system to insure that national leader consider the needs/desires of every part of the country.

Is that racist? It could be... but in its wisdom... it ultimately helps to protect us from the majority rule, which almost always neglects the needs/desires of the minority.

So... at it’s heart, the ultimate goal of the electoral college is/was not a single issue (slavery) but designed to insure people outside of large population centers have a voice. No matter what the issue.
Whoever wants to be president must value, campaign and win in every part of the country... not just California, New York and Illinois.

States like North Dakota, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Utah become important in a presidential election and cannot be ignored.





      
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Dec 8 2019 12:08AM     link to this

"Whoever wants to be president must value, campaign and win in every part of the country"

Hillary should of hired you as a consultant last election.

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Dec 8 2019 12:16AM     link to this

"Whoever wants to be president must value, campaign and win in every part of the country... not just California"

The reason I don't like the electoral college is because it makes my vote (from California) irrelevant. Anyone in California that doesn't vote democrat don't get their vote counted towards who becomes president. All California electoral college votes always go to the democrats. So what is the point of even voting when my vote is meaningless?

Also, none of the candidates campaign in California to try to get votes because they already know what the outcome is. The few times they come here is only to get campaign donations.
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Dec 8 2019 12:33AM     link to this

^ Libs never whine about that part.
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Dec 8 2019 12:53AM     link to this


The only general election votes that matter are from Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and a few other Midwest states. Otherwise, the only reason the candidates come to the states with high Cook ratings are for donor $$$.

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Dec 8 2019 01:14AM     link to this


To those complaining about their conservative votes not counted in CA, the same argument can be made in red states by blue voters.

Not sure I would say the electoral college is racist. It was well thought out to give everyone representation during presidential elections. While it may have worked well up until about the mid 80's, it is becoming obsolete for the current time. Time for reform.

I agree with the gentleman above about his vote not being counted in CA. Everyone votes should be counted. I am not suggesting doing away with the electoral college, but it can be tweaked.
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Dec 8 2019 07:40AM     link to this

I think CA conservatives might console themselves that there is beginning to be a shift. Some folks are realizing that the Dumbocrat leadership in this state have failed so miserably.

The Dumbocrat candidate may still win CA but not by the margins that Hillary did.
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Dec 8 2019 09:04AM     link to this

the better idea is split ca into north and south, works in the carolinas and dakotas
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Dec 8 2019 10:00AM     link to this

Ask your self this, Who are the people of the Electoal College ? Name names...
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Dec 8 2019 03:20PM     link to this

Is it better to need to concentrate your campaign in 5-8 states, or 3-4 cities.

Either way you feel about that, the electoral college is a system that protects minority rights. Funny how when the minorities become part of the majority, they want to flush that type of protection.

If the Democrats were smart they would start paying out a stipend for Democrat voters to move to other parts of the country!
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Dec 8 2019 09:34PM     link to this

i think the voting hispanics in texas are moving the needle and can swing one way or the other in an upcoming election...they will never be california.

they tend to know when shit is stinky and run more conservative being in the south






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Dec 8 2019 09:36PM     link to this

just saw the movie on hbo - long shot

funny little gop/liberal exchange towards the end of it

had a little something about mary feel to it



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Dec 9 2019 12:53AM     link to this

There will always be a political ebb and flow.

People have their panties in a bunch over Trump now. He will be gone at the latest in 2024.

He will seat at least 2 more Judges if he wins. (Ginsburg is holding on by a thin thread hoping he loses in November so she can die on January 21st)



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Dec 9 2019 02:29PM     link to this

Bottom line, the ghettos don’t rule the Country. Every state has a right to their vote.The Framers also saw the possibility of a partisan impeachment from losers that won’t accept the results of an election
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Dec 9 2019 07:17PM     link to this

As the t-shirt at the Trump rally stated "Better Russian than Democrat". Anyone with half a mind knows that Trump solicited a foriegn power to interfere in our ekections. If the gop is fine with that just admit it like Mulvaney and move on. Trump violates the emoluments clause daily. Again just admit it and move on. I respect the tiki torchers and the t-shirt wearers because they dont pretend to believe in democracy or the constitution. Just admit that you wilo go to war rather than have a free election.
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Dec 9 2019 09:02PM     link to this

Is there ever anything anyone is permitted to move on from?

E-mail Server?
Benghazi?
Ukraine?

Anything the other side can find to be a millstone around the neck of their opponent.

And God forbid the issue gets the slightest bit of traction... then it will never go away.
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Dec 9 2019 09:24PM     link to this

Can we just agree that everything is fucking racist already... please it will just make it easier for the Dems. I’m so tired of everything is racist card. It isn’t!
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Dec 10 2019 12:24AM     link to this

Trump has refused to call out the terrorist attack in Florida as a terrorist attack. He wants to protect the terrorist Saudis from bad publicity.

Trump again proves he is a traitor.
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Dec 10 2019 06:02AM     link to this

^^^ you seem like the kind of guy that cries in traffic.
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Dec 10 2019 07:21AM     link to this

So cocklover, tell us who the Dems have that would be a better President ? Not much of a businessman are you moocher? Earn your own way
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Dec 10 2019 08:07PM     link to this

that seems to be the conversation starter right there
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Dec 10 2019 08:09PM     link to this

stopper


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Dec 10 2019 10:28PM     link to this

I have been considering moving to New Zealand and live in a hobbit house.
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Dec 10 2019 10:30PM     link to this

The DNC has a list of all registered democrats. Pick one at random and he or she would be a better president than Trump. In fact go to the RNC and do the same thing. Trump has the brains of a nine year old and a vocabulary to match.
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Dec 10 2019 10:31PM     link to this

there's a great island available, complete with it's own heating
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Dec 10 2019 10:32PM     link to this

^ says the guy on who isn’t a billionaire!
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Dec 10 2019 11:33PM     link to this

Facephukker: The island with the volcano? I see an Ecotourism business in my future.
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Dec 13 2019 09:16PM     link to this

The orangangatang is NOT a billionaire.
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Dec 13 2019 09:50PM     link to this

Hillary was your best, LOL.
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Dec 13 2019 10:02PM     link to this

Worst candidate. Most qualified. One 360 degree turn, telling Donnie to get back behind his lecturn would have won the election, not to mention the fbi keeping their mouth shut unless they had an indictment.
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Dec 13 2019 10:08PM     link to this

Worst candidate. Most qualified.

Yeah, you still have a bunch of those.
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Dec 14 2019 01:17AM     link to this

Detroit....

“Trump has the brains of a nine year old and a vocabulary to match.”

Yet, he is sitting in the Whitehouse talking to world leaders, influencing national and world policy.
One thing he isn’t doing ... is talking about you.
But you... are sitting some where with you computer, phone or tablet... a frustrated fellow... talking about him.
That big dummy has buildings all over the world with his name on them. He commands the most effective military the world has ever seen. He can, at his word, give hope nations or have someone killed 3 continents away. He is the President of the United States of America having received over 63,000,000 votes over 50 states and multiple territories.

But you... Are a so powerful level 3 on an obscure website. Your greatest power is you might be able to have someone voted off the site if you can uses your influence to get 30 or 40 people to vote with you. Odds are you can’t even do that. The number of votes you received to lead anything...and in the number of states... I can count on... NO HANDS.

Not to mention that you are so smart that you don’t even understand the basic Terms of Service on the website you are blogging. If you did... you wouldn’t violate them.


But yeah... we are all rushing to get in line to hear from you.

OK... you don’t like the President. You don’t have to. A lot of people don’t like him. He’s not my favorite guy.

But you don’t have to be a pompous dick.

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Dec 14 2019 04:45AM     link to this

i am interested in his views on trudeau...share the wisdom

go-


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Dec 14 2019 07:29AM     link to this

the 3/5 compromise would be a better racism argument.

Electoral college? Not so much.

Want proof of the importance of the electoral college and ignoring "fly over" states?

Review the 2016 campaign and how Hillary ignored Democratic strongholds - not even visiting, just assuming she would win - Trump campaigned & won those states & thus the presidency.

Do away with Electoral college, and nobody would campaign in perhaps 3/5 of the country.

;-)
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Dec 15 2019 12:09AM     link to this

And you pick as your site id one of the most evil villains in the history of film. Just because someone is elected doesnt make him either intellegent or qualified. He would be rejected for even the most basic level of clearance. His own staff admits that he doesnt read and has a short attention span. As i have said before he was elected byhaving an overwhelming majority of the ignorant and the ill informed supporting him. A majority of his followers believe in an invisible man in the sky and that his son? ...will return in their lifetime to rapture them into heaven. Even though this man has never been "saved" or expressed a meaningful belief in Christianity, an absolute majority believe he was sent by God. He supports dictators and mad men. He has admitted falling in love with the Dictator of North Korea mere months after his love shot his uncle with a anti-aircraft gun. The guy admits believing Putin over his own intellegence agencies and has admitted to sleeping with over 500 women. He paid off porn stars and groped his own daughter. History will record him as the worst or possibly the last president of the USA. Please re elect him as Canada wont be able to stand the flow of refuges after he refuses to leave and the subsequent civil war. He was an accident of a TV show and a Russian KGB plot to attack the US democracy and a candidate that believed the polls.

As for yor ad hominem attack I didnt have the good fortune of being given 500 million dollars in NY real estate by my dad. Other than that i have done very well for myself and wont have to visit the south once i sell the last of my real estate although I'll keep coming for the weather.
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Dec 15 2019 08:36AM     link to this

“...possibly the last president of the USA. Please re elect him as Canada wont be able to stand the flow of refuges after he refuses to leave and the subsequent civil war.”

😮

Yeah... I’m sure you are right. America is coming apart at the seems... if you watch some cable news.

When he was elected in 16 the furor started... and not much has changed. The rhetoric keeps getting ratcheted up... neither side is moving the needle of public opinion. Those who hated Trump in June... still hate him. Those who loved Trump in June... still love him.

Those of us that aren’t sucked in by the media conglomerates, who benefit from the tension, are just standing by to see what things look like next fall. I know I am sick of all the political maneuvering.

He won. Get over it. There is a mechanism in place to remove a president you don’t like or you think is doing a bad job. It’s called an election. It’s less than a year away.

Whether he is re-elected in November... or not. America will survive.

The extreme fear mongering rhetoric contributes to the atmosphere... but ... it’s a viscous circle. You attack, he responds. He attacks... your side responds. Each side gets louder and more ridiculous! AND they blame each other.

BTW... there will be no civil war. Americans will not be poring over the Canadian border... for two reasons. 1. They ain’t lettin us in. 2. It’s cold as fuck up there.

So, you keep stoking the fire... they will too. And the rest of us will sit back and continue to laugh at you. You have seen the polls. Most Americans think this is silly “inside baseball” partisan bullshit.

Almost Lastly... one of the biggest problems for the left is their pompous arrogance. The need to speak in a disparaging way about people of faith, just because they don’t have any or can’t understand it...is beyond me.

The best way to win people over is by insulting them... right?

That is why I enjoy my position. I think you are a pompous arrogant ass. I’m not on a side. I don’t give a fuck about who you vote for, so I have no need to win you over. (Doesn’t matter in California anyway)

Lastly, Life will go on no matter who is president. I only get worried when one party controls all all three branches. I like gridlock. It’s a safety mechanism. It makes change slow and difficult.

So if the right wins the house back, keeps the senate and Trump is re-elected... you can bet your ass I’ll be voting for a Democrat in 2022 hoping to give the Dems a little power to resist.

If the Dems sweep Trump out, keep the house and win the senate... I’ll be voting to give the Repubs a little power back.

Detroit51 is brilliant.

Fuck... it still didn’t work!





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Dec 15 2019 08:37AM     link to this

*Seams
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Record stock market, record low unemployment, straightened out NAFTA, The Paris Accord, Trade with China, Making Countries pay their share of NATO instead of us paying for them, Cut illegal border crossing by 70 %, proved that trickle down economics work very well with the tax cuts, keeps socialist in their place. But Detroit is unhappy. Too fucking bad you selfish loser
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