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In the middle of this impeachment mess, I'm now finding a national poll that has Trump ahead of his Democratic rivals in a head-to-head comparison. A new USA Today/Suffolk University poll finds Trump defeating Biden by 3%, Sanders by 5%, Warren by 8%, Buttigieg by 10%, and Bloomberg by 9%. This is interesting, because about roughly 6 months ago, I wasn't finding any poll that had Trump ahead.
While this may be an outlier, I think the trend is not because other polls show the race tightening. For example, in latest December 8-11 2019 Fox News poll, Elizabeth Warren is beating Trump only by 1% (46% to 45%). This compares favorably to the last time the poll was taken (October 27-30) whereby Warren was beating him by 5% points (46% to 41%). Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, however, still have a significant lead in the latest Fox News poll, ahead by 7% and 6% respectively, although the previous poll did show the leads to be larger (12% & 8% respectively).
The race is clearly tightening, and I find it interesting it's occurring right in the middle of the impeachment situation.
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That was a bit off topic, but I thought that it fit in with the theme that the Dems may be struggling a bit here over impeachment.
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Well... November is a long way away. Anything can happen between now and then... but... it’s looking pretty good got Trump right now...in the middle of all this impeachment crap.
The Democrats will have their convention in July and get a bump in the polls once they pick a nominee. Maybe it will be a cluster fuck again like in 16. See if they screw someone out of the nomination again.
Then the Republicans will have their convention in August.... get their bump... and then the race is on.
I’m thinking if the economy can remain strong... Trump will be re-elected. If it’s starting to tank... it’s anybodies ball game.
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In my humble opinion, the more time the Dumbocrat candidates have to campaign, the worse they are going to poll.
Even the ignorant and uninformed are going to realize what hapless fools they all are.
And this from someone who really doesn’t much like Trump and did not vote for him last time.
He is pretty clearly the least of the many evils.
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trump will be re-elected and the dems will have a brokered convention, to nominate hellary,
biden will be pissed, bernie will run as an independent, and warren will go back to the reservation
just my opinion
it will be funnier than hell if they don't impeach him due to lack of votes
al green and maxine will explode, schitt will be demoted and nadler will resign
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There are 2 no votes among the Democrats. There are 30 or so Democrats that have not yet
committed because they want to give the appearance that the Impeachment is not preordained.
There might be 1 or 2 who are actually undecided, but that's it.
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I think 5-10 will choose to save their own re-election chances rather than vote for a symbolic impeachment.
One has already completely flipped sides.
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Waste of $ and time.
Had enough of that already.
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No way Pelosi pushed for impeachment if she didn’t already have the votes. I suppose some could have changed their mind but for sure she knew where she stood before she went all in.
Also guaranteed she was not cornered. She’s been in charge the whole time. Like or or not, she’s quite smart.
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@ PF how exactly do you know Trump will be re-elected? No one knows. I get it, he’s your guy and you would like him to be re-elected. But to say that with any certainty really does not count for much.
In this country, there is 42 millions registered Democrats, 30 million registered Republicans and 24 millions independents. You’re say the republican, which historically unpopular, will win for sure.
While you may be right come next year, right now it’s purely conjecture (and not worth much).
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Gene,
Maybe I was watching another process... but it sure looked to me the tail was wagging the dog when it came to impeachment. Pelosi is very smart... but that doesn’t mean much when you have a stubborn, rebellious faction of your caucus.
Doesn’t the squad and the extreme left look eerily like the Tea Party in 2011? Remember? Repubs took control of the house after Obama’s first midterm. John Boerner became Speaker. They gave Boerner hell... and made it difficult to lead. He ended up dealing with issues that turned out to be political losers for the right... but the Tea party had the juice to force his hand.
Notice AOC and the others have been fairly quiet since the investigation and hearings began? They got what they wanted... almost. I think the far left wanted to kneecap Biden with the impeachment stuff. Sure bringing Trump down would be great. But for them... if they can’t get a Bernie or Liz in there... it’s better to have 4 more years of Trump and then get to run the candidate they want... than to have to wait another 8 years if Biden gets in.
Pelosi didn’t want the impeachment. She and Schumer were smart enough to see it is an impossible win. Nancy said it up front. She only wanted to go forward with the impeachment if she could get some bipartisan support. That’s the only way this means something. Without Republicans voting to impeach... it plays as just a partisan political fight.
But the far left blood and guts gang forced her hand. Pelosi is as smart as they come. You don’t get to be the most powerful person in your party... and 3rd in the line of succession without knowing what you are doing. But this was not a fight she wanted.
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What kind of person comes on HX to talk politics? Seems to me it’s pretty stupid.
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Well... that just means you only have one purpose for HX. Others use it for Multiple purposes.
I think having a Swiss Army knife and only using the screwdriver is pretty stupid... but that’s just me.
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KaiserSoce,
You are starting to sound like crane_op.2.
Are you two taking breaks in between time?
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Well John .... 
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I expect them to vote in the interests of their political careers. Most politicians value that far beyond a belief system. Their primary belief is that they want to be re elected.
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Well... I did ask for tinfoil hats and anti bugging equipment for christmas.
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Crane and I are playing good cop/bad cop with you guys.
He’s the bad cop. After he offends all of your sensibilities ... then when you are so outraged.... I come in and say the same exact thing... just in a more reasonable tone.
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Does that mean the two of you are employed, or just rambling shit from the internet while you find a job?
LoL 😂...that will probably not sit well with you and yours.
Good night.
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I may have responded to a few but I definitely have never started one.
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Ahhh.... I see said the blind mas as he picked up the hammer and saw.
I’m glad you have seen the error of your ways and have decided to join us. Welcome to the blog side!
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I just don’t get all you Trumpers! President Donald Trump tramples on the The Constitution of the United States of America almost every day. It’s gotten to the point that he lies so much nobody even pays attention anymore! He talks about how the phone call was him trying to get to the root of corruption in Ukraine, when he is the corrupt one!
The former Republican who was the head of the CIA, and the FBI spoke out about the dangers of Donald Trump. They impeachEd Bill Clinton because he had sex with Monica and lied about it. Trump lies about everything. Someday maybe when Trump is out of office he’ll truly be investigated for all his crimes, money laundering, deals with the Russians, and what is really going on with his tax returns.
The really sad thing , Is when you hear Lindsey Graham talk about the president it’s like he’s a saint! Do you remember Lindsey Graham stance on Donald Trump when he was just a candidate running in a crowded field, and I quote” he doesn’t represent my party, he doesn’t represent my values, I think he’s a kook! And now he’s the biggest brown nose in the republican party!
Can we just get are country back from this guy! Just about any Republican would be better than this guy! Can somebody get Ronald Reagan back!
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Keep your focus on Nancy!
Can she get the votes??? It's looking shaky!!! Her teeth are falling out!?!?
Anything to keep yourself from dealing with the cold, hard facts exposing this President's impeachable offenses.
Your desperation is showing...
It must be tough. He says really stupid shit every day. He does whatever Putin tells him to. Helps Russia's interests over ours. Cries and whines like a scared, spoiled rich boy. Embarrasses the country on a daily if not hourly basis. Breaks the law. Covers up his crime. Gets caught.
Republicans are flipping on him left and right. His own, hand-picked Secretary of State thinks he's a moron who keeps wanting to break the law. Mad Dog Mattis, Anthony Scaramucci, Dan Coats, the list goes on and on. They come right out and say he's a flat out liar. He doesn't prepare. He doesn't read. He gets bored during national security briefings and starts leafing through the pages of a magazine.
No wonder you spend so much time concerned with what the Dems are doing. You can't stand or defend your own guy.
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I don't know if Nancy thinks she has the votes but Rudy Giuliani just Admitted Wanting Marie Yovanovitch Fired To Probe the Bidens.
How in the world can you have a trial in the Senate and not have Rudy Giuliani testify??
He's central to the digging up of dirt that Trump held the aid to try to get.
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it would seem that if he was full of shit, he would be staying off the airwaves vs doing interviews laying out some of the things he has?? taped interviews, documents?
it will all be seen at some point in this upcoming trial
might have to paste it in explorer
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I dont get you Republicans. Impeachment is not a fucking choice. Trump acts like he is king.
They have proof of criminality. He taken every opportunity to make things worse. Talking when he should keep his fucking mouth shut. Every time he opens his mouth its either a lie or admitting guilt.
I'm on the fence whether to pile on the obstruction from Mueller or the emolument clause violations. Another self inflicted wound. Trump should have divested his businesses like he said he would. Then again he's a fucking liar.
The dems are doing their constitutional duty. I'll admit i expected trump getting impeached. You know i was waiting for trump to fuck up. He always does . This is trumps fault. There is no deep state conspiracy. I'm not taking the word of Republicans. This is Republicans lying with the purpose of inventing an alternate reality to put dems, the government , Joe, and Hunter Biden and Hillary on trial. Trump knows what we think of him. He knew we were watching his every move. I think trump was planning on using the military aid to Ukraine. If that money wasn't distributed before the end of the fiscal year the money goes back to general fund and Congress has to reauthorize the aid. I think he intended to use it for something else. If john boltin hadn't told OMB to send the money to Ukraine trump would be sitting on 400mil.
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The Dems are not doing their constitutional duty. Impeachment is a political move. They are not doing their constitutional duty because Trump will be acquitted and will be able to behave the way he’s been behaving with impunity. If the Dems really were doing their constitutional duty, they would admit to themselves that the only way Congress can effectively check the power of the President is by bipartisan action, and they would try to build a bipartisan coalition. They would have to compromise and give up on impeachment and build a case with Republicans for a censure from both houses that would condemn the President’s behavior in the Ukrainian affair as an abuse of power and would warn the President not to get foreign governments to interfere in the 2020 election. This would be a turning point because you would have Senate Republicans publicly going against the President on this issue and calling him out on his behavior. If Trump ignores the warning in the censure, depending on what he does, he would face the possibility of pissing off more Senate Republicans, something he doesn’t want to do. He needs his Republican allies in Congress. Don’t forget these people are preventing his ass from being thrown out of office right now. Hence, a bipartisan censure would have a much better chance of checking Trump’s power than a partisan impeachment which does nothing.
The Dems are being political because impeachment of the President tends to help the other party that doesn’t have the Presidency win back the Presidency. Republicans won in 1868 after a Democrat was impeached, Democrats won in 1976 after Watergate, and George W. Bush was buoyed to the Presidency after the Lewinsky Affair. That’s the long game Democrats are thinking about. The problem is that in the short term, impeachment tends to make the party doing the impeaching unpopular at the time. Democrats won seats in Congress in 1998 during the Lewinsky impeachment. Presidential polls seem to be moving in Trump’s direction at the moment.
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“Your desperation is showing... “
Huh?
I guess if there is one thing to be learned about this entire impeachment business... there is confirmation bias and a lot of spin on both sides of the ball 🏈.
I’m not desperate about anything. Trump will be impeached by the house, acquitted by the senate.
The only thing that will change that is some bombshell revelation.
It’s going to be meaningless in this election cycle. It’s a political game.
What will mean something come November is the economy. If it’s still moving at a decent clip, Trump will be re-elected. If it starts to sputter or worse... the Dems have a chance, depending who they run. The only one on the left I’d consider voting for would be Biden.
He is moderate enough. The problem is... he is starting to appear old. All the front runners are old.(except mayor Pete) but Joe looks like he is slowing down.
Actually... the only thing I am desperate for is for all of this to be over. I don’t really care either way. I don’t think you have the goods on Trump in a way he should be removed. But... does it really matter? So whatever happens, I won’t be clutching my pearls... aghast at the developments.
You guys want Pence to be President ... OK.
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Kaiser wrote: "I guess if there is one thing to be learned about this entire impeachment business... there is confirmation bias and a lot of spin on both sides of the ball 🏈. "
Except your's, right?
Facts guide my opinions and choices. When I get one wrong, I happily admit it and include the new information into my view on the matter. Only those who reject the facts have a "confirmation bias". After all, you don't have anything to confirm if the statements you make are factual and the opinions you hold are based on those facts.
We all agree with that because the logic is rock solid. You don't have confirmation bias around whether water is 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen or whether 1+1=2 or whether the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere causes the earth to get hotte... well, you get my point.
And yet, we have "confirmation bias" around the fact that Trump lies at an historic rate. It's a simple fact that's completely provable. It's a fact that only he and the Republican Party would benefit from the Ukrainian government announcing an investigation into his chief political rival that's based on a debunked conspiracy theory. It's a fact that he and his team of cohorts were holding up direly needed military aid to our ally and foe of Russia (as well as an important Oval Office meeting) to get that exact announcement.
So why don't Trump supporters fold those facts into their view, admit they were wrong and allow their view to change?
We already know the answer to that.
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Kaiser,
Confirmation bias, in general, is human nature. I have it. I have to fight against it. I have to really want to true myself up to the facts. I'd say, for most people, it's simply not that important to them to do so, and thus, confirmation bias is a thing.
As human nature, it exists, to varying degrees, on all sides of the political spectrum. However, in this specific instance, the facts are so clear, so undeniable and indefensible, that there is no need for a bias when it comes to determining whether Trump committed impeachable offenses. In this specific instance, only Trump supporters need a "confirmation bias".
And that's why you see Republicans "muddying the waters" so much. Change the subject to the Democrats, to the process, to anything but Trump and the facts about what he and his team did. This allows their supporters something to cling to, something to justify continuing their support of Trump. It fuels their "confirmation bias" and allows them not to deny the facts (because they're undeniable), to avoid them.
Republicans don't want their supporters thinking about the facts in this case. Because if you spend time thinking about them, you'll start to realize that if Trump gets away with this (and I'm sure McConnell and the Republicans will let him), this will do real damage to our Constitution. Ya know, the thing that keeps our country a Republic instead a Dictatorship. And Republicans don't want their supporters thinking about that. They just want to try to win the next election.
That sort of short-sighted, self-serving, craven behavior is corrosive to our (you and me and everybody on this board's) way of life. And the pan has been boiling us frogs for a while now...
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TRUMP'S LETTER "Dems are 'declaring open war on American Democracy"
......dude is loosing it right before he gets impeached.
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“ Except your's, right?“ -J
Someone needs to brush up on their reading comprehension skills. 
The word “entire” and the phrase “both sides of the ball” .... never mind.
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Read my comment .... then read yours...
Which one of seems more vested in a way to process information with a pre-conceived bias.
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Explain how if Trump doesn't get removed from office that it does damage to the constitution. How? To me that sounds like a political talking point without facts to back it up. Where are your facts to back this one up?
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Maybe it's not Trump that's doing damage to the constitution. Maybe it's hyper-partisan politics that make Congress unable to adequately check the power of the Presidency. And this may only be temporary. Hyperpartisanship as ebbed and flowed throughout the history of the United States.
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Just like joining the military, you take a fucking oath. Soldiers, policemen, politicians, AND POTUS. You violate that oath, you're in trouble. The founding father's were geniuses. They anticipated a president exactly like trump.
They made a "political " process to remove a piece of shit like trump. Of course this all depends on the "jury" the Senate lives up to the oath they took to protect and defend THE CONSTITUTION OF THE FUCKING UNITED STATES.
He's taking money from countries staying at his hotels, he's asking the leader of a foreign country to interfere in OUR election, he refuses to allow the Congress to do its DUTY to provide oversight of the office of the presidency. He can fire anyone without cause EXCEPT when its for corrupt purposes.
You gotta be high or a Republican to look the other way. Yes, this worries me tremendously. I love my country. I will continue to protect it against all enemies domestic and foreign. When i took the oath it affected me profoundly. People die trying to get here. People have died protecting our country. I need to do my part (however small) to oppose those who would do harm to our country.
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GOP tries to use the partisan card.
If any President, regardless of party held back aid to a struggling country at war in order to get them to dig up dirt on that President's political rival ahead of an upcoming election should be impeached.
How can you justify that??????
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Nancy has the votes McConnell has the votes. History will commend the first and damn the second.
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History will show he was impeached period......If he some how wins re-election I wounldn't be surprised if he's impeached again for financial reasons.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if when he leaves office that he's not indicted for something he couldn't be charged with while President.
Pure Crookedness!!
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And Detroit will still be in Canada cuddling with Trudeau.....
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I'll be voting in Michigan. And I'll be coming back to Cali next month for some cuddling.
Lets all sing O Canada.
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It's very telling that only people in the opposing party think that the President violated his oath to the degree that we should remove him from office. Maybe history will see this period as hyper-partisan where neither side could justify its actions as anything else than political or self-serving. That includes Trump, by the way.
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@DudeLebowski
Honestly dude, I really have no problem that Trump is trying to dig up dirt on Biden going into an election. Theres probably dirt there and it doesn't constitute Impeachment.
The past 4 years we have to endure the constant mudslinging and abuse of editorial powers by the news networks with "total fake news".
When does the left stand up and apologize for the lies and slander around the Kavanaugh appointment?
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"It's very telling that only people in the opposing party think that the President violated his oath to the degree that we should remove him from office. Maybe history will see this period as hyper-partisan where neither side could justify its actions as anything else than political or self-serving. That includes Trump, by the way."
It's not telling at all. It would be telling if both sides were ignoring facts to make their cases. In this instance, only the Republicans are ignoring the evidence and refusing to deal with it.
The fact that it's split down party lines (individuals from both parties have crossed over) shows that it only takes one side to create partisanship and gridlock.
When will Trump supporters acknowledge the clearly damning, factual evidence? My guess is never.
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Trump was smart enough to label the whole thing a sham from the beginning. By doing so it made political sense for him to block people like Mulvaney and Bolton from testifying in this so called charade. In my view the proof of a quid pro quo, that he help up aid until they announced an investigations into the Bidens, is not clear.
The Democrats in my view screwed up by not forcing the testimony of Bolton and Mulvaney who had first hand knowledge of this. They could have at least tried to go to the courts to compel testimony
Of subpoenaed witnesses. Also remember that Bolton is a private citizen now. Not a government official. He would have to obey a subpoena.
The Democrats want them called in the senate trial but the Republicans would be stupid to agree to this.
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I believe executive privilege still covers bolton
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"Explain how if Trump doesn't get removed from office that it does damage to the constitution. How? To me that sounds like a political talking point without facts to back it up. Where are your facts to back this one up?"
Happily, Night-Rider.
Any President, Democrat or Republican, cannot be allowed to break the law (extorting a foreign power to help him politically) and abuse his power. The facts of this case and the testimony of all 12 witnesses confirm beyond any doubt that this is what happened. Not one witness has come forward with contradictory testimony. Not one piece of paper has been shown that refutes the existing evidence.
The Constitution also shows that the actions listed above are the very definition of impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors. According to the writings of the founders of our Republic at the time of the Constitutional Convention in 1787, using a foreign power to influence our elections and using the official duties of your office to benefit yourself and not serve the country's best interests (bribery) are two of the most prominent reasons impeachment was included in our Constitution. Thus, if this isn't impeachable nothing is. Not impeaching and removing any President after he/she took such actions effectively strips impeachment from our Constitution.
Furthermore, this President has refused to provide any evidence or comply with lawful subpoenas in the course of Congressional oversight thus undercutting the very Constitution he swore to uphold and protect. This removes the ability of Congress to check and balance the executive branch, further damaging our Constitution.
If this President isn't held accountable, it sets a clear precedent that any future President is not only above the law but that no action the President takes is impeachable and that he doesn't need to comply with Congressional checks and balances. That gives the office of the Presidency enormous powers akin to a dictator.
Imagine if Bernie Sanders wins the next election and decides to use this newly established precedent to further his socialist agenda in illegal ways. You'd want the words of our Constitution to apply in that case, wouldn't you? But he'd have history on his side when he'd say, "Hey, the people elected me. Trump did it. So can I."
That's dangerous.
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"I believe executive privilege still covers bolton"
It doesn't. He's a private citizen now. He wouldn't be allowed to discuss classified matters pertaining to national security, but in the case of fraud and impeachment he can be compelled to testify.
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