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lucent1956
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Dec 21 2019 09:20AM more by lucent1956
Tags: LA, Townhall (All tags)

I don't have the answer but perhaps California should send a delegation to Florida because apparently they do. I just got back from spending a week in South Florida and didn't see a single tent pitched anywhere and only one panhandler on a street corner. Obviously they don't throw buckets of money at the problem because they have no state income tax, and their sales and other taxes are considerably lower than California. But do you think the liberals in this state would ever admit they don't have the answers other than to raise taxes and spend more to get less.
      
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Al_Most_Perfect
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Dec 21 2019 09:35AM     link to this

According to the Miami Herald, homeless people are either placed in jail or in mental health facilities. Of course, neither of those solutions is privately funded.
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Dec 21 2019 09:42AM     link to this

homeless don't want to live in that heat and humidity
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Dec 21 2019 10:04AM     link to this

And it was reported here yesterday that a 1000 have died this year. Claiming 3 a day average.
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Dec 21 2019 10:26AM     link to this

Phase 1: Promise a comprehensive raft of assistance on the public budget for poor and homeless
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

Could the lawmakers and others in government not put in 5 minutes of thought and not realize that promising all these benefits to the poor would lead to more people in poverty finding their way to California?

Could these lawmakers also not realize that the restrictions in place on building in general means that all this money earmarked to housing the homeless won't go anywhere but to fight the NIMBYs in court?

Alexisalexis2.0
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Dec 21 2019 11:01AM     link to this

It’s a pure fallacy that California offers extensive benefits to big poor. It’s also a complete fallacy that any substantial portion of our citizens experiencing homelessness are “imported”. The vast majority are SoCal residents and eviction is the single biggest causative factor in individuals becoming unhoused. We need to start charging greedy landlords and unscrupulous developers for all of their vacant luxury units. We need social housing and public housing. We need to expand housing protections and rent control. We need to do a lot of shit but spending quadruple the money it costs to actually *house* someone to jail them instead is about the dumbest suggestion of them all. But then again math isn’t usually a common strength among the right leaving folx, which are typically the type I find that want the homeless jailed. 🙄

rakuen.now
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Dec 21 2019 11:18AM     link to this

We should just pass a law that mandates homeless housing proportional to the residents in every district to shut all the NIMBY's up.
rakuen.now
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Dec 21 2019 11:24AM     link to this

And by the way, look at the map in the link. It shows where all the federal assistance goes -- from the Pacific Northwest and East to the Southern states. So what's Florida's magic? Taking your tax dollars. So yeah we should absolutely emulate them by being poor and asking for more big government assistance (sarcasm).
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Dec 21 2019 11:25AM     link to this

Trump wants to Criminalize Homelessness assign new resources to police departments to remove homeless encampments and even strip housing funds from cities that choose to tolerate these encampments.....yeah BUT WHAT DO YOU DO THE THE PEOPLE?
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Dec 21 2019 11:33AM     link to this

Maybe the reason their are so many homeless is the so called great economy isn't so great for people with limited skills.
Al_Most_Perfect
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Dec 21 2019 11:55AM     link to this

"That is crazy, without state tax revenue Florida could afford to house their homeless. "

Uh, Florida has taxes, like every other state.
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Dec 21 2019 12:08PM     link to this

It getting to the point were their are homeless tents under every bridge and overpass in LA. Even in residential areas.
juliuscaesar1
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Dec 21 2019 12:22PM     link to this

Hurricanes have a way of finding the homeless a home real quick. Six Feet Under.
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Dec 21 2019 12:39PM     link to this

That’s why they have toll roads every other mile
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Dec 21 2019 12:46PM     link to this

Funny blog... lots of smart people trying to solve SoCal housing crisis. Zero are in this blog. Homeless is only part, more a symptom than the problem.

So some HX jokers, clearly uninformed and spouting incorrect "facts" think the solution is easy. And they are smarter than the really smart (and informed) people working on it.

Exactly the level of discussion and logic you expect on HX! All problems are simple to solve, when you don't understand them.
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Dec 21 2019 01:47PM     link to this

I thought there were some good suggestions here. A relevant topic. Maybe part of any plan would be to set up a lot more shelters for the winter. Equip them all with toilets and shower facilities if possible. Also start to pay the homeless to clean up the streets and their areas.
Abe_Froman
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Dec 21 2019 02:22PM     link to this

I’ve been studying the finer tenets of the Democratic Party on resolving complex social issues facing our nation and now see the light. The first thing we need to do is remove the stigma associated with being homeless by banning the word “homeless” and now calling them “unsettled” thereby eliminating homelessness.

Thank you and please remember to vote JimJones2020
lucent1956
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Dec 21 2019 02:33PM     link to this

Some good comments and as usual some HX BS. In case anyone is wondering where all the money is going from the homeless tax that was passed a year or so ago take a look at this concept being tried in the LA county city of Lancaster. So now instead of temporary shelters we are building campuses for them with all the amenities. If it helps great, but my guess is this will just spawn more homelessness and create another budgetary sink hole because its not solving the root cause of the problem, just the symptom. Democratic liberalism at its best again.

https://www.cityoflancasterca.org/connect/lancaster-engage/kensington-campus#ad-image-0
artnjazz
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Dec 21 2019 02:39PM     link to this

If you are not going to propose a solution, you are part of the problem.



Wait.......what? Lol....
longwalker
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Dec 21 2019 02:55PM     link to this

Put up a 30 ft. high wall all the way around California. Then fill it with water.
Solve 2 problems at once.
artnjazz
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Dec 21 2019 03:56PM     link to this

^^^^ Not a real problem solver
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Dec 21 2019 05:15PM     link to this

correct, you need a 50' wall
artnjazz
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Dec 21 2019 06:17PM     link to this

^^^ lol 😂
You and longtalker can pay for it.
ocguy66
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Dec 21 2019 06:34PM     link to this

Shoot them
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Dec 21 2019 06:42PM     link to this

property taxes
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Dec 21 2019 07:15PM     link to this

they have plenty of tax money for it, and i'm certain the fag gov will find a way to add more
longwalker
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Dec 21 2019 08:06PM     link to this

@ Art N Jizz ....... How long can you tread water.
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Dec 21 2019 08:09PM     link to this

New york and some other states and buying one way plane tickets to hawaii who iare only to happy to take them.

they can live on island , same weather ss calif.

Its cheaper than doing all the crap theyre doing here to take care of them
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Dec 21 2019 08:27PM     link to this

What everyone keeps ignoring is that the homeless are not a single group of people with the same issues. You’ve got the homeless that cannot support themselves, but do want to, and are willing to do what is necessary to fix the situation. They need help with finding resources available to them, and maybe relocating to a more affordable location where they can afford to house themselves with the income their skill set can bring in. Believe it or not, there are a lot of resources for these folks, the problem is, the people that need them often times don’t know about them. We need to do a better job of connecting the two. When people complain about the homeless living on the streets, these are usually not the people they are talking about.
Next you’ve got homeless that are mentally ill and need mental health support. They are not capable of functioning in our society. Unfortunately, we don’t fund mental health the way we should and we have made it very hard to institutionalize those that can’t take care of themselves. Then we have a group that have made a willful decision to live that way. They don’t want to live by our norms or laws. There is a lot of criminal activity that surrounds these folks. The last two groups make up most of the people living in encampments. I talked to someone recently who works for a agency that tries to get homeless off the streets. It’s practically impossible to get these people to accept help. It can take months to get them to even accept the smallest amount of help. Some never do.
So what do we do?
Help those that want it.
5150 those that are to mentally ill and can’t take care of themselves.
If you’re making the choice to live on the street, you still need to follow the same rules and laws the rest of us do. No, you can’t shit on the public sidewalk. No, you can’t dump your trash on others peoples property. No, you can’t trespass. No, you can’t do other illegal shot just because you’re in a tent. Because I’m a cold hearted asshole, it also means you may be relegated to pitching your tent in designated areas. You don’t get to be homeless in a tourist hot spot, or a public park where our younger citizens go.
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Dec 21 2019 09:08PM     link to this

Soylent Green

Fewer homeless, less hunger

Twofer
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Dec 21 2019 09:27PM     link to this

^^^^ truth

who knew 45 years later it might come to this.



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Dec 21 2019 09:32PM     link to this

Now with more, females!
GoBallsDeep
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Dec 21 2019 09:37PM     link to this

So you're saying if I can get to New York and go homeless, they'll fly me to Hawaii???

First class or coach?
heliman
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Dec 21 2019 09:43PM     link to this

I believe its coach and you dont have 2 go to new york, i believe iowa is doing it too.
heliman
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Dec 21 2019 09:50PM     link to this

I cant post a link but if you google "flying homeless to hawaii" you will see a number of news articles telling of states doing. It

seattle is another one.
heliman
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Dec 21 2019 10:11PM     link to this

How do you feel about shopping in a supermarket where a guy may have left a present for everyone.

last week a woman posted a picture of a homeless man pinching a loaf on the floor, luckly in was in front of the tiolet paper.


this was in san fran.
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Dec 21 2019 10:12PM     link to this

Well, Seattle is a lot closer but even if I'm homeless, I can't fly coach.

Does the ACLU know about this outrageous treatment?
socaliam
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San Francisco has six fully equipped employees whose job is to clean up human shit.
They each make $71,760 a year - $184,678 when you include mandated benefits.

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Dec 22 2019 05:26AM     link to this

As mentioned homelessness is a complex problem, like all problems thus the word "problem". There are more than a few people on both sides of the hx coin who fall into that category, some of them are so uninformed that they don't kno theyre homeless! It's great to see partisanship in regards to problems labeled issues,, homelessness, healthcare, education, massive pollution/climate change/global warming/whatever, guns, immigration. Its hilarious when I hear the United states of America is going to become a socialist country. The same homeless person on medi-cal preaching conservative values! Why pro-pollution advocates are against shitting everywhere is beyond me. Pollution is simply what climate change should be called. But fuck no, we get climate change, something so far past the homeless __ on medi-cal and food stamps to comprehend. I'm not a vegan/vegetarian but god damn I do understand what the effects of both methane gas produced and forest elimination have on the atmosphere. I learned that in 4th fin grade! It's called science. Why do all these problems have to be unsolved? Bc those god damn socialists put money in half assed education. It didnt help, so many dummies. Go raiduhs!
happyguy63
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Dec 22 2019 06:08AM     link to this

^^^ very nice, thank you!
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Dec 22 2019 06:59AM     link to this

1/3 of the homeless have major substance issues, 1/3 have mental issues, 1/3 have a mix of temporarily down on their luck and some of the other 2.

The solution is to honestly address the issues.
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Dec 22 2019 07:59AM     link to this

Yeah, but it's only tax money.
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Dec 22 2019 08:09AM     link to this

Plane tickets are cheaper.

think of it as Survivor.

with no million dollar payoff at the end.
AlyssaXxclusive
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Dec 22 2019 10:56AM     link to this

The cost of living in California is ridiculous.. i dont see how anyone is even surprised that the homeless rate has risen
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