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Dec 21 2019 08:00PM more by Persiansiren
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I went to school for political science and was double majoring in psychology (now changed to nursing). Anyways I took a psychology, 1 sociology, and 1 gender studies and sexuality class and what they teach students in college is that "gender is a social construct." But is it really? Is it fair to the women who are born of a female sex to be competing with those who are born male but identify as a female? Men are dominating in female sports just because they are identifying as the opposite gender. The left loses their mind when I claim that there are only two genders and if gender really was a social construct that I'd like to identify as a werewolf and have everyone accepting and taking my gender legitimately.

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Dec 21 2019 08:23PM     link to this

Gender is most definitely a social construct. Trans people have always existed, it’s not a new thing it’s just experiencing increased visibility. There are some issues to be worked out when it comes to trans athletes and competitive sports. That said- to say that “men are taking over women’s sports” is false. First of all because men don’t compete in women’s sports period, transwomen are not men. So it’s really disrespectful to misgender them by calling them men. Semantics aside- a few sensationalized instances do not constitute a “takeover”. Transwomen are not dominating women’s sports by any stretch of the imagination. Right now as it stands, the sports community is figuring it out and regulations vary state by state and sport by sport. However, the olympics is allowing transwomen to compete provided their testosterone levels are below a certain threshold- will be interesting to see how this ends up playing out at the next olympics.
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Dec 21 2019 09:01PM     link to this

Sex is binary and determined by genitalia.
Genders vary by society.

Those are just basic principles from page 1 of your textbooks.
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Dec 21 2019 09:18PM     link to this

I took Human Sexuality in college back in the 80's. The professor (female) just taught the course subject - great course. A few years ago, at the same college, same course, the new female professor is calling out students of her 'opposing' political party, calling them an "enemy." Nothing to do with the course matter.

Too many college professors have put their political opinions into course curriculum and grade/preach accordingly. I'm very glad that I'm not in college today.
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Dec 21 2019 09:21PM     link to this

How many genders do dogs have?
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Dec 21 2019 09:24PM     link to this

Those that can lick their balls & those that can't.
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Dec 21 2019 09:31PM     link to this

Gender allows me to hang out in women's bathrooms
Biological sex gets me booted out
I'm really confused so please donate FX to me so I can PM for help
Thank you
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Dec 21 2019 10:09PM     link to this

Google "intersex."

There have always been indistinct gendered people who have external genitalia, hormones and chromosomes of both sexes or the physical appearance of one but the chromosomal structure of the other, or various combinations.

We grow up thinking of sexual/gender identity as two poles on a linear continuum. Like the north and south pole.

It turns out that biologically, chromosomally and physically, one can be anywhere along that linear continuum between male and female and anywhere in-between, or even with developed characteristics of both "genders."

People who were once called hermaphrodites are very much still with us in one form or another.

Link from Medline attached.
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Dec 21 2019 10:12PM     link to this

@go balls deep. You sound like fubar. Is it u?
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Dec 21 2019 10:26PM     link to this

I’m a big believer in DNA.
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Dec 21 2019 10:36PM     link to this

keep it simple… either there is a stem on that apple or there isn't. Gender is determined at birth. Social deviation doesn't change the basic biological facts.
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Dec 21 2019 10:42PM     link to this

But then the legislature gets involved.
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Dec 21 2019 10:44PM     link to this

^^^ And then everything goes to hell
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Dec 21 2019 11:01PM     link to this

Two!
Persiansiren
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Dec 21 2019 11:13PM     link to this

People who are intersex are known to be outliers. They are the exception to the rule and therefore should be treated as such. When looking at a bell curve (majority) you focus on the center not the exceptions
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Dec 21 2019 11:28PM     link to this

Could careless what they teach in your school. God and the laws of nature define gender. "gender is a social construct." is bullshit. If you were born a man you will die a man....maybe a gay man but still a man. God made them who they are and God doesn't put people in the wrong bodies. Most of all God doesn't make mistakes.
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Dec 21 2019 11:38PM     link to this

TWO !

Just because one has lived a few life times as the oppsite and gets thrown into the other and your soul can not cross to the other side or process it , does not require me to pander to your every whim.

However it is being allowed as a way of population control. Funny how that works.
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Dec 22 2019 01:09AM     link to this

I don't even know how many different ones there are, so confusing now.
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Dec 22 2019 02:19AM     link to this

Boys have a penis.
Girls have a Vagina.

These are the facts.
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Dec 22 2019 02:57AM     link to this

I think sex is determined by simple chromosomal biology. Women have two “X” chromosomes; men have one “X” and one “Y.” Of course, development may lead to intersex people —those with variation in chromosomes, genitals, or hormones — but, as has been mentioned previously, these people tend to be outliers. To me, gender is much more complex because this includes how one sees himself or herself, which means this is a function of a much more intricate network of numerous genetic variants, biological development, and the outside environment, occurring in the functioning brain. Hence, gender is likely to exhibit much more common variation than sex. Until recently, it has been taboo in society to explore this variation.
Night-Rider
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Dec 22 2019 03:02AM     link to this

Gender is unlikely to be just a social construct because this ignores the effect genes and biological development have in its determination, which may be, in fact, the principle factors in determining gender.
Night-Rider
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Dec 22 2019 03:08AM     link to this

I do, however, seriously doubt that there is as much variation in gender as some would have us believe. It doesn’t make too much sense evolutionarily to have discrepancy between gender and sex to be very common.
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Dec 22 2019 03:19AM     link to this

I should have said that genetics (i.e., an unusual tally of sex chromosomes) can lead to intersex people as well.
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Dec 22 2019 03:44AM     link to this

Actually, I’m not sure I completely agree with what I wrote. I think there is more common variation for gender than for sex because there simply isn’t the need evolutionarily to be as accurate in defining what sex a person thinks he is than in defining what sex he actually is. Still, I don’t think it makes too much sense evolutionarily to have discrepancies between sex and gender to be too common, or at least as common as some may want to push with their agendas.
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Dec 22 2019 03:58AM     link to this

Simple 1+1=2
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Dec 22 2019 05:37AM     link to this

It's def a social construct.
Not debatable and most people here making ignorant comments probably have no idea what that means.

We tried using 2 gender labels. That failed miserably. Still some nutcases trying to say that was "natural" or "common sense". Kinda like people hated to admit that the earth moved around the sun. No one seriously would believe that today.

Or saying that gender is determined at birth. Or by genetalia. Seriously there are people spouting this nonsense.

It's not something everyone gets to have an opinion on sorry.
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Dec 22 2019 05:45AM     link to this

Not sure which is more bizarre... the idea that gender studies is weakening female sports, or the idea that you can apply evolution as some logical test to decide what must be true.

HX blogs always good for starting day with humor.
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Dec 22 2019 05:57AM     link to this

It's really simple...

https://youtu.be/T3wcxHiorJ4
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Dec 22 2019 06:46AM     link to this

Kudos to PersianSiren for a cogent and engaging first blog.
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Dec 22 2019 08:00AM     link to this

If you believe in science and Global Warming then you have to believe in DNA too. There are 2 Genders, what you want to identify as is up to you as it wont bother me or affect my life in any way.
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Dec 22 2019 08:02AM     link to this

"Gender is determined at birth."

No. It's not. SEX is determined at birth.
Sex is one thing, and gender is another.

There are different forms of masculinity and different forms of femininity, which are learned depending on where and when people live. The hegemonic masculinity depends on where people live. What it means to be a man or woman is different in America than it is in Mexico or Russia. What it means to be a man or woman in America NOW is different than it was 200 years ago (ask Hime).

Ozzie Guillén once publicly called a sportswriter a fag, and said that, in his own defense, he didn't mean that the sportswriter was homosexual, he just wasn't a real man (according to the tenets of his Ozzie Guillén's Cuban culture). So there you've got a person who is physiologically a male, but not a "real man" as labeled by another culture.
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Dec 22 2019 08:16AM     link to this

"How many genders do dogs have?"

That's a really interesting question for a number of reasons. Dogs only have two SEXES and they don't have genders because dogs don't have cultures, and they don't have self-perceptions (dummies can't even recognize themselves in the mirror). When dogs interact, they don't usually attempt to ascertain whether other dogs are male/female, but they attempt to establish a hierarchy of dominance. On the other hand, when I meet new dogs, I'm always trying to see if they're male/female so I know what to call them (he/she, good boy/good girl). It's humans who create labels and depend on them for their interactions.
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Dec 22 2019 08:40AM     link to this

Is neutered a sex?
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Dec 22 2019 08:42AM     link to this

In all my years, the one thing I never thought Id have to argue with a rational or irrational person. God made all mammals in pairs. Put one biological female and one transitioned male on the planet. If both stick to that gender rule the species will be extinct. Put one biological male and one biological female on that same planet. The species will continue to exist.

That is about as simple as this conversation is. Everything else is just non-sense forced upon society by a bunch of loonies.
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I just completed a sociology class and one of our discussion topics involved gender identity. I was by far the oldest person in the class and learned from the start that unless I wanted to risk my grade and possible enrollment I needed to be real careful about what I said to the snowflakes. Open minded only applied if you were agreeing with them or were going even further down the progressive slope. Well, our discussion topic involved a current popular “movement” asking if we should require that cisgender (people who identify with what they were born with... you know, most people) be identified as such. Not just the outliers. I was surprised. I thought for sure my classmates would be scrambling to show how accepting and open they were, boy was I shocked!!! When it meant THEY would have to do something, would have to put a label on themselves, they weren’t having it. I just pointed out that this wasn’t a popular movement. Most people outside of a college campus or who aren’t “alphabet people” have know idea what the fuck cisgender means.
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Dec 22 2019 09:22AM     link to this

"Everything else is just non-sense forced upon society by a bunch of loonies"

In other words, gender is socially constructed
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Dec 22 2019 11:05AM     link to this

The definition says

gen·der
/ˈjendər/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: gender; plural noun: genders

Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.



I actually think they recently tried to add stuff to the definition of gender.
If people want to identify with a sex other than the one they were born as thats up to them but if you're a man and you identify as a woman that makes you a man that identifies with women but not a real actually woman.
Try having a period and naturally have offspring then you're just scratching the surface of being a woman. lol
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2 1/2 1/2
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Dec 22 2019 11:44AM     link to this

"Gender" is a concept that should be restricted to discussions of linguistics.

I only wish I could be around when future generations look back at the decadence of 21st century Western society and laugh at the foolishness of arguing that subjectivity is superior to objective reality. That how you "feel" about things, or how you "identify", are of any importance whatsoever.

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Dec 22 2019 12:09PM     link to this

^^^^^^ Yeah, because post-modernism is a product of the 21st Century

For the matter, the entire Buddhist religion (which originated in the East long before the 21st Century) is predicated on the understanding that "subjectivity is superior to objective reality".
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Dec 22 2019 01:56PM     link to this

Those who think gender is just a social construct have no intuitive understanding of biology.
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Dec 22 2019 02:16PM     link to this

Who cares about Biology when nowadays you can major in Feelings.
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Dec 22 2019 02:33PM     link to this

"gender is a social construct." Who is authoring this concept. Who the fuck is making up these rules??
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Dec 22 2019 02:39PM     link to this

Look to your Left.
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Dec 22 2019 02:39PM     link to this

and maybe to YOUR right too.
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