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Dec 26 2019 09:08AM more by Harpooner
Tags: San Diego , Current Events (All tags)

In a “PressThink” article published today, they had a interesting take on the day Kellyanne Conway promoted the concept of “alternative facts” on Meet the Press. The article indicates everyone in the media thought “Conway’s threatening phrase, alternative facts was just hyberbole, the kind of inflammatory moment that makes for viral clips and partisan bickering. More silly than it was ominous.
In reality she had made a grave announcement. The nature of the Trump government would be propagandistic. And as as Garry Kasparov observes for us, “The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” This exhaustion, this annihilation were on their way to the Sunday shows, and to all interactions with journalists. That is what Kellyanne Conway was saying that day on Meet the Press. But the people who run the show chose not to believe it.”
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Dec 26 2019 10:24AM     link to this

Uhhh in other new and rehashed news... Muhammad Ali is dead.
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Dec 26 2019 11:40AM     link to this


And his daughter can sing.
Harpooner
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Dec 26 2019 12:19PM     link to this

I dunno, calling out the Trump administration’s communications doctrine as propaganda seems like a fairly newsworthy item.
KaiserSoce
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Dec 26 2019 02:04PM     link to this

Really... by NBC/MSNBC?

Then why not post the opinion piece headline “Democrats Vote to Acquit Trump.” ???

I’m guessing because it’s probably because you realize Brietbart has an agenda you don’t agree with.
But NBC/MSNBC gets a 👍
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Dec 26 2019 02:43PM     link to this

You can't reason with a cult member.
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Dec 26 2019 03:43PM     link to this

Only a blind liberal fool like Harpooner can’t see the Propaganda of the Democrat controlled main stream media
Harpooner
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Dec 26 2019 04:27PM     link to this

So Jammer, when Conway started using the term “alternative facts” as a way of describing demonstrably false information being put out by her and others, you found that acceptable?
Harpooner
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Dec 26 2019 08:41PM     link to this

Burnsie - In this instance I was spefically referring to Shawn Spicer and Donald Trump who lied about the number of people who gathered for the inauguration. To quote Spicer, “This was the largest audience to ever have witnessed an inauguration. Period.” His statement was utter and total bullshit, proven false with aerial photos of this and previous inaugurations. When Conway was confronted with the evidence and the actual facts, she simply called what Trump and Spicer said “alternative facts.” I guess because even people on the right might be uncomfortable calling it bullshit, even though they know that’s what it is.

Now go ahead and launch into your whataboutisms ranging from “what about Obama saying you could keep your own doctor” to “what about her emails.”

Anything to Avoid confronting the fact that your guy is the biggest, bullshittingest POTUS to inhabit the White House.
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Dec 26 2019 09:18PM     link to this

Crowd size? I also dont care if he lied about having a big penis.
GoBallsDeep
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Dec 26 2019 11:02PM     link to this

For some reason, LBJ lying to America's face about Vietnam and getting tens of thousands killed seemed like some tad bigger bullshit, but hey thats just me.

Trump is a narcissistic egomaniac and if he's also the POS you make him out to be, then you shouldn't have any problem beating him at the the next election.

First thing you should do is change the minds of all those Dems who voted for him in 2016. That part should be easy, right?

Second is to find a decent candidate, that's a lot harder.

Ready? GO!
KaiserSoce
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Dec 26 2019 11:09PM     link to this

Who cares what she says? Does she spin everything... positive or negative in favor of Trump? Absolutely!
Anyone who doesn’t know that is an idiot and should have their voting rights removed. The fact that you are still talking about something she said about inauguration crowd size 3 years later is evidence she is good at her job.

At least she is directly employed by Trump’s Whitehouse... so you weigh what she says accordingly. That is very different than NBC/MSNBC that does exactly what she does except they do it under the guise of being an actual news agency.
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Dec 27 2019 12:00AM     link to this

Hey KS, using MSNBC and news agency in the same sentence would be an oxymoron violation, 15 yard penalty and loss of down.

If our fellow bloggers want to see the paragon of american truthiness, watch the FBI at work in "Richard Jewell". Then follow the next link to Steven Hatfill. I highly recommend the parts about NBC and CNN paying compensation. The "trial by media" part might be interesting too.

Last but not least, check out the last link for more on our saintly folks at the FBI.

So while OP raises a legit question about Trump and his team's veracity, theres an actual media dumpster fire happening and that seems important too. Maybe more so.
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GoBallsDeep
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Dec 27 2019 12:04AM     link to this

I've heard the "makeup sex" is incredible at the Conways
KaiserSoce
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Dec 27 2019 05:31AM     link to this

“The President of the United States is a compromised Russian asset.” 😮

Talk about propaganda. Sometimes you have to hate the player and the game. All of that is true... yet the the the strongest evidence to impeach the guy is a flimsy instance of implied “quid pro quo” for trying to get Ukraine to “announce” an investigation against a political opponent?

Are our government agencies, FBI, NSA, CIA, DOJ, not to mention the entire legislature....so inept that a pompous, narcissistic, limited vocabulary, TV star, bad hairdo, Tweeter has covered his Manchurian Candidate tracks so well... that the only prosecutable evidence available come from obscure innuendo. In 2019, where digital footprints are everywhere... the best they can do is this?

I hope Oliver Stone makes this movie.
Harpooner
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Dec 27 2019 07:40AM     link to this

Of course lying about the size of the inauguration crowd isn’t a huge deal (although being caught doing so would be very embarrassing to most people). But I would have thought that lies such as Mexico paying for a $25 billion wall or everyone getting much better health care for much less money might be an issue for you. Apparently not.

Regardless, forget about crowd size or bullshit about who’s paying billions for a wall. You should be very concerned when any administration, one you like or one you don’t, publicly announces that there are alternative facts, or as another Trump surrogate said more recently, “truth isn’t truth.” Because once the public accepts that notion (and it appears many of you have), the long term consequences will be more damaging than anything that has ever happened to this country.

Our government has tried to use alternative facts in the past (e.g.,Gulf of Tonkin incident), but thankfully, Americans at that time had not accepted the idea that alternative facts (as opposed to the truth) were acceptable. In Nazi Germany, the public bought into the government’s alternative facts about Jews, causing the death of6 million people.

I suspect some of you are smart enough to realize that accepting alternative facts as truth (from your government or anyone else) is a really, really bad idea, but you just don’t want to admit it.

The rest of you? I don’t know, maybe you’re just really fucking stupid.
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Dec 27 2019 09:49AM     link to this

I’m always amazed that when a guy you don’t support makes a campaign promise that doesn’t come to pass, he is a liar.

But... when your guy does it... well, he really tried!
KaiserSoce
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Dec 27 2019 09:54AM     link to this

Oh and by the way.... every president over the last 40 years has been compared to Hitler (look it up) by the other side. Once again... when you start with the slippery slope... “that’s how Hitler did it” references..... you have really lost your footing.



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Dec 27 2019 11:39AM     link to this

You like congressional witch hunts?
PBS will run "McCarthy" on Jan. 6th
Someday in the future, PBS will run a new documentary called "Schiff"

Trump's a dumpster fire no doubt, after $40m and 500 witness over 2 years pretty much puts all of ORR's post in the propaganda folder

I wouldn't call any of you stupid but ignorant of history is apropos
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Dec 27 2019 01:10PM     link to this

Sorry but the economy alone will win the next election. Get ready to protest in the streets. Why is it that only liberals riot ?
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Dec 27 2019 01:14PM     link to this

The economy today may not be the economy next year. Trump might be the first President to loose re-electing just because of the bullshit and problems he creates.
GoBallsDeep
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Dec 27 2019 04:56PM     link to this

*Dude it's "lose", I know it's not a spelling bee but it's possible you're right about Trump "loosing" it
Depends on who the D's run
Bernie and Liz go down in flames, Biden has a chance, Pete goes back to South Bend but maybe has a national life at some point
A lot can happen between now and November
What if Climate Change/Global Warming kills all the snowflakes before then?
GoBallsDeep
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Dec 27 2019 05:00PM     link to this

hmmm, just had a thought
is it possible that "truth" is a "social construct"?
Sure seem to be a lot of different "truths" in these blogs
GoBallsDeep
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Dec 27 2019 05:04PM     link to this

I know I'm stacking but just had to say that i love the sign in Watson Bryant's office, not the exact words but you get the idea

"I'm more afraid of the US Government than I am of terrorism"

KaiserSoce
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Dec 27 2019 10:52PM     link to this

So Dude... is it your hope the economy takes a dump so the Dems have a shot at winning?
Or
Do you hope the economy remains strong even though it means four more years of of a guy you hate in office?
KaiserSoce
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Dec 28 2019 06:24AM     link to this

Why would anyone want “demonstrably provable evidence sufficient to convict beyond a reasonable doubt” when you can lead millions of people to convict in the court of public opinion without it?

The left doesn’t really care if he committed crimes, can be convicted and put in jail.... they just want to soil him enough so they can win the election.

It’s the new American way! Fuck real justice! We just want to win!
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Dec 28 2019 08:50AM     link to this

ORR
Took me awhile to figure out your news source but sounds like Radio KPFK in LA, lefty conspiracy radio.

Anyways, the founding fathers were adamantly opposed to "Bills of Attainder", see link. Proceeding as you'd like is a violation of constitutional due process especially when your allegations are unproven. In other words, you can't impeach for acts done prior to election. You can charge him criminally after he's no longer President but you still need to follow due process, allegations and rumor are not proof of guilt.

As for Mueller, he didn't even write his own report and apparently didn't have much of a clue what was in it. Also, said that the Steele dossier was outside his scope, lol. So,he's not much of a source for anything. You'd be better off studying the IG report although nothing will cover what you're alleging.

You sound like a lefty version of those people alleging that Obama was on the down low gay and wasn't born in the US. Oh yeah, that was Trump!
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loucfirr1
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Dec 28 2019 11:27AM     link to this

The truth could be sucking your dick and you would still ignore it to keep your narrative.
GoBallsDeep
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Dec 28 2019 01:58PM     link to this

Not sure why I bother but here you go ORR
Read the reports yourself and tell us all how your narrative matches up with the truth
Plus i added the Comey report so you can see how many FBI regulations and processes he broke

Steele dossier was completely and utterly destroyed, the only parts that were true were those parts that were available in already public documents. What you're left with is a dossier paid for by the DNC to a "foreign national" which is clearly against the law if used in the manner it was by the intelligence agencies.

The red and the blue kool aids are equally poisonous, ORR. Careful you don't end up in Jonestown.



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Dec 28 2019 02:06PM     link to this

I hope you feel better after typing all that shit because frankly I don’t give a fuck
KaiserSoce
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Dec 29 2019 12:19AM     link to this

See... where you guys lose is... you continue to overreach.

The Trump voters I know, don’t hate immigrants. They simply want a legal immigration policy that works, enforcement of the immigration laws already on the books and control of the border.

When you remove all the rhetoric... most “mericans” want those things too.

When you misstate people’s position and attitudes, you lose the middle (where all of the available votes are). They are reasonable people and recognize bullshit.
GoBallsDeep
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Dec 29 2019 06:54AM     link to this

Feeling so much better now that I know that a truly enlightened being such as ORR exists and is willing to take the time to pass down his nuggets of wisdom to us mere mortals.

ORR, pop into the clinic and have them run some tests for "Thuneberg's" disease before you have a brain aneurysm. We'd hate to lose you.
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Dec 29 2019 06:55AM     link to this

Feliz Navidad!
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