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Locked. No further comments permitted.Bolton Allegations, Part 2
Jan 28 2020 05:34PM more by Night-Rider
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I’ll repeat what I said at the end of the last blog. Would love for someone to tell me objectively why they are such a big deal:

The Bolton allegations won’t add much of anything. Haven’t others already testified about the White House wanting a quid pro quo? Haven’t Ambassadors Taylor and
Sonderland, and NSC members Alex Vindman and Fiona Hill already testified to what the Bolton allegations basically are saying?

Just more of the same that was well-timed right when the Republican Senators have to decide on witnesses that could extend the trial for a long period of time. Allowing one witness would increase the demand for others, like Mick Mulvaney, and could lead to law suits to let more in. Extending the trial is simply good politics for the Democrats and bad for Donald Trump in an election year.
      
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Jan 28 2020 05:48PM     link to this

The house articles of impeachment are shit. They should be able to lay out the case with what was already submitted!! They have nothing and will continue with the waste of tax payer money. Fucking cooks.
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Jan 28 2020 05:59PM     link to this

that's the way they're supposed to be, but schitt and pillosi know they have no case
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Jan 28 2020 06:09PM     link to this

John Bolton has the receipts.


He’s a notorious note taker (for those of you who never understood what that means it means he writes stuff down and records it for accuracy, history and reviewal)nd eill bring the notes.

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Jan 28 2020 06:19PM     link to this

Reportedly a very high percentage of Americans believe witnesses should be called. That as many facts as possible are brought to light in the Senate as well as to the public. With this momentum building for witnesses there is a good chance it will happen.
Night-Rider
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Jan 28 2020 07:22PM     link to this

Thank you sam.i.am.
Night-Rider
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Jan 28 2020 07:23PM     link to this

I always felt the Republicans should just admit the quid pro quo and argue that maybe Trump deserves a censure but not impeachment.
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Jan 28 2020 08:15PM     link to this

I agree that they should have admitted quid pro quo from the beginning. The only thing that would make that illegal is if it were only to damage Joe Biden. Although people think that (I do), proving it is almost impossible.

To deny Quid Pro Quo, then have it confirmed by eye/ear witness testimony as reputable as Bolton degrades the rest of the argument.

Ole Mitt Romney is loving the chance to stick it to Trump.
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Jan 28 2020 11:01PM     link to this

How many tries at the impeachment goal do you get on one president?

If he survives this one, can we try again later this year?
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Jan 29 2020 04:41AM     link to this

Balls... it’s better to ask

‘How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? al One.... two.... three...”

Fuck it.... just bite it!
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Jan 29 2020 06:37AM     link to this

Arent we allowed to just blame O.J still for things.?
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Jan 29 2020 06:57AM     link to this

It is a little surprising that the Democrats aren’t bringing up the fact that there was bipartisan support for removing Ukraine prosecutor Viktor Shokin, not because he was going to investigate Burisma, but because he was not rooting out corruption. The bipartisan support was even documented in a letter signed by the same republicans who are calling for an investigation.

Their narrative is bullshit. Trump knows it. The Republicans know it. See the links below.

And the bullshit Trump is spewing about the DNC server being hidden in Ukraine was fabricated as disinformation by the Russians. It was debunked by multiple US intelligence agencies. But Trump has publicly stated he believes Putin, not them. And you’re okay with that!

Unfuckingbelievable.
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Jan 29 2020 06:57AM     link to this

you brilliant civics majors don't understand, he's already been impeached, but he will not be removed from office over political bullshit

according to al green and mad maxine, they're already working on impeaching him again, making him the only president impeached twice, or even three times if they can fit it in

none of it matters, he'll still be re-elected in 2020
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Jan 29 2020 07:11AM     link to this

I guess nobody in the Senate gives a fig that the majority of Americans wants witnesses.

Will of the people be damned.
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Jan 29 2020 07:16AM     link to this

The heat being generated by this furious circle-jerk is astonishing and clearly contributes to global warming.
I'm very concerned.
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Jan 29 2020 08:23AM     link to this

“Will of the people be damned.”

Bigskr..... that’s exactly the conundrum we/they are facing. If this is a political process.... then the will of the people is important.

If this is about fairness/justice/the constitution... then the “will of the people” should be irrelevant.

Trying to arrive at a “just” outcome in a process that has been so politicized (by both sides) is probably impossible.


That is one of the reasons I don’t think every American should vote. Please know something before marking a ballot. But setting fair standards to qualify a voter is also impossible .... and unconstitutional... so... I’m shit out of luck. Our elections will continue to be decided by appearance, name recognition and sound bites.

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Jan 29 2020 08:53AM     link to this

Impeach again?... even if he's legally acquitted?...

My dear God please... 🙏

How does that not become complete and thorugh abuse of power on the part of Congress. They really want to walk out of this past 4 years able to say they have done nothing... I mean *** NOTHING ***

This completely bi-partisan Impeachment is nothing more than saying.. "a-ha... I spit in your eye Trump!, because I can"

And they would really go through that again and put another half baked set of articles together?...

Thank god for laws pertaining to double jeopardy
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Jan 29 2020 09:58AM     link to this

^Curious to know your thoughts on Repblican support for the removal of Shokin back in 2015. See links in my post above.

The need for an investigation into Biden is at the heart of your argument. Yet the Repubs were on Board with what he was doing.
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Jan 29 2020 10:49AM     link to this

I agree there is no new evidence to suggest the impeachment is legitimate, but Trump does not do himself any favors by saying things like it was a perfect phone call.
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Jan 29 2020 11:19AM     link to this

Apparently the way the Republicans are trying to avoid Bolton testimony is to basically say it i is true and redundant . They are saying that there is a quid pro quo already in the evidence record. Therefore his testimony is not relevant. And that even if true it is not impeachable.
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Jan 29 2020 11:33AM     link to this

Sounds pretty accurate.
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Jan 29 2020 12:56PM     link to this

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Jan 29 2020 01:27PM     link to this

Gina - “didn’t read” and then proclaiming you unwavering support for a Trump second term sounds like you are saying you are not informed and have no intention of being informed.

Seems the best decisions are made from a position of being informed, not of being ignorant. Yeah, it takes some effort to sort through everything and employ critical thinking to assess what to believe and what not to believe. But simply choosing to ignore information, I dunno, seems like not the best way to go. But to each his/her own.

Anyway, I still think you’ve got great tits.
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Jan 29 2020 01:33PM     link to this

Me or MW?
Night-Rider
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Jan 29 2020 03:12PM     link to this

"Seems the best decisions are made from a position of being informed, not of being ignorant. Yeah, it takes some effort to sort through everything and employ critical thinking to assess what to believe and what not to believe. But simply choosing to ignore information, I dunno, seems like not the best way to go. But to each his/her own."

And the "best informed" would vote Democratic, correct, according to you, or at least to other lefties who claim they have "science' and "facts" on their side?

If that's so, claiming to be the "best informed" is just another political talking point the left likes to use to somehow claim they have the superior position.
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Jan 29 2020 03:14PM     link to this

Honestly, I think the most important thing is for people to vote their own interests, and you don't need to be highly educated or knowledgeable to do that.
Night-Rider
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Jan 29 2020 03:15PM     link to this

And my interests are to vote Trump 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023...
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Jan 29 2020 04:01PM     link to this

If this was reversed and these allegations were against Obama and he was up for being kicked out of office and there was someone IN THE ROOM who was told to his face that by the President that he was holding up aid to get an investigation on a political rival. You REPUBLICANS, Fox News, Lindsey Graham would be loosing you mind! If you say NO you're a damn liar!!!
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Jan 29 2020 04:28PM     link to this

Every President puts conditions on aid......it has been happening every since foreign aid was first given. We are not that altruistic that we just give billions to countries around the globe.

We have conditions, requirements, expectations, etc. No one just hands over pallet of cash to a foreign government...oh, correct that, we did have a very recent President do that....
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Jan 29 2020 04:34PM     link to this

Dude you clearly haven't watched any of the hearings.
When other Presidents have withheld aid THEY ALERTED CONGRESS FIRST!
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Jan 29 2020 04:40PM     link to this

OMB is fine with what was withheld.....and how long.
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Jan 29 2020 04:41PM     link to this

Dude....what has been presented at the hearings is what has been barfed up for the past 5 months.
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Jan 29 2020 04:47PM     link to this

Again dude you haven't watched any of the hearings.
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) said in a new report Trump administration broke law by withholding Ukraine aid
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Jan 29 2020 04:51PM     link to this

Obviously there is a difference of opinion among government offices.....
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Jan 29 2020 04:56PM     link to this

Watching these hearings is like watching grass grow, paint dry, and flushing valuable hours in the toilet. Still no impeachable offenses with facts. Senate will acquit and I guess the House can impeach again and again and again....all the while Trump gets stuff done....
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Jan 29 2020 05:46PM     link to this

Trump is the most corrupt individual to other hold the office.

How can you comment on info related to the hearing if you haven't watched them?

If the GOP members of Senate doesn't allow witnesses this is a cover up and a sham trial.
There hasn't been a Senate trial like this with them the Senate hearing from witnesses.
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Jan 29 2020 05:48PM     link to this

Dude the Dems just did a sham House impeachment. You got no leg to stand on.
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Jan 29 2020 05:51PM     link to this

Dershowitz reportedly was willing to admit a quid pro quo but that digging up dirt on an opponent to get re-elected would be in the *public interest * I do hope these reports are inaccurate as it flies in the face of the US Constitution. It is frightening to follow where this logic could lead.
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Jan 29 2020 05:53PM     link to this

Lol I'll run for president next time someone begins an investigation on me.
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Jan 29 2020 06:02PM     link to this

So I guess now that Netanyahu has been indicted on corruption charges Trump will put a hold on the $4 billion we give to Israel every year until there’s an investigation. Am I right? Clearly, he is against giving US aid to countries where there may be corruption. I mean, the Prime Minister just got charged with corruption, do its goes to the highest level of the Israeli government. Or can you now admit your argument about his interest in rooting out corruption is bullshit?
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Jan 29 2020 06:06PM     link to this

The House did no sham trial unlike the Senate they had relevant and compelling witnesses that pointed out CLEAR wrong doing by the administration. You should have watched some of them.
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Jan 29 2020 06:07PM     link to this

If you can admit the impeachment was bullshit.
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Jan 29 2020 06:07PM     link to this

Btw the "TRIAL" is only done in the Senate.
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Jan 29 2020 06:09PM     link to this

I tried, but it was behind closed doors. And only the Dems got to call witnesses.
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Jan 29 2020 06:11PM     link to this

What is BULLSHIT is everything Trump has done and said while President.
And you Republicans either eat it up or just ignore it.
He is guilty as HELL!
If he's not guilty was is he trying so hard to not let anyone testify and not release any documents.
The GOP Senate is now Trumps new fixers!
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Jan 29 2020 06:12PM     link to this

Lol you said trial, not me.
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Jan 29 2020 06:12PM     link to this

Everything's dems did is bullshit!
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