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Can someone please explain!
Feb 17 2020 10:43AM more by 1972monarch
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Yesterday I received robo texts from Steyer, Bloomberg and Sanders. Each saying only they can save the republic so can we count on your vote. But here's the confusion. I could swear I spent the last 3-4 years being told that old rich white guys are what is wrong with America, that all ill's can be laid right at their feet. So can someone please explain what has changed? Why now are old rich white guys suddenly the saviors of our nation? Anybody?
      
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Feb 17 2020 11:13AM     link to this

As if they ever weren’t.
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Feb 17 2020 11:18AM     link to this

political propaganda, are they declared Democrats?

Republicans have their money behind Trump,
and really searching for successor in 2024.

Democrats are still trying to fix 2016.
OCCityBoy2
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Feb 17 2020 11:20AM     link to this

Democratic money is spent by RICH OLD WHITE PEOPLE.

DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICAN. it's all the same. money vs money.

who's better? Jaguar or Audi or Benz?
Schubert
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Feb 17 2020 11:34AM     link to this

Successor in 2024: Donald J. Trump Jr.
thedon60
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Feb 17 2020 11:54AM     link to this

Depends on their policies. And consistency. Not age.
BigOnes
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Feb 17 2020 11:59AM     link to this

Only old rich white guys that are Dems are ok... Yet they're the dumbest mother fuckers walking around!
AFMadness
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Feb 17 2020 01:27PM     link to this

If it smells like they are going to lower your stand ard of living by raise taxes. They will.

Both she's play Robin Hood, it's just the demon' s have a better sales pitch.
AFMadness
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Feb 17 2020 01:29PM     link to this

*sides
Grumpy_Butthead
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Feb 17 2020 03:51PM     link to this

Yup all politicians are liars we need to pick the least lying piece of work.
When you find an honest politician. Holler
j502
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Feb 17 2020 04:12PM     link to this

The facts are out there waiting to be read, but some people just don't want to know them.

It's to the point now where some of us would rather stick to their original opinion and support their side even if it costs them their Constitutionally-guaranteed civil rights. I hope y'all are paying attention because the Constitution and the rule of law are being shredded right before our very eyes, out in the open, and very few of us either realize it or seem to care.

Fuck, it seems some of us are even cheering it on! Those are your rights they're in the process of taking away and some of us are like, "Fuck yeah! You show 'em!".

After witnessing a 40-year creep towards Authoritarianism and Fascism, we are right at the edge, and most of us don't even know it's happening.
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Feb 17 2020 04:15PM     link to this

I'm hollering, butt head, but I don't know if you'll believe me. People's preconceived notions usually carry the day.
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Feb 17 2020 04:21PM     link to this

AFMadness,

Can you name for me a time when a tax cut for the wealthy raised the overall standard of living for the American people? I'm looking for statistics and facts, not talking points or anecdotes.

The "they will raise your taxes and lower your standard of living" trope is a 40 year old lie, but Reagan sold it well.
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Feb 17 2020 04:41PM     link to this

Problem is I don't know which writings are actually honest.
It seems the reporters no longer convey facts instead they convey their opinion.
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Feb 17 2020 05:09PM     link to this

As a former hippie '60s & '70s radical, I appreciate that Bernie hasn't given up.
We thought we could change the world. WE FAILED !!
But they had to kill a few of our leaders to stop us.

The oligarchs should think about the French Revolution.

I like Tom Steyer (proven track record), but I'm currently backing Pete.
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Feb 17 2020 06:01PM     link to this

So according to j502 our constitution is protected by a party that
wants to take down the 2nd amendment..
wants to get rid of the electoral college..
wants to expand the superior court number.(to whatever number they like).
wants to lower voting age to 16...
wants to have practically NO border..
give people that commit crimes lots of rights (like healthcare and Driving rights)..
wants to get rid of selfmade Billionaires because they are immoral...
wants to give free money to people because the color of their skin..
I could go on and on....
sure ok whatever you say..
pieranna
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Feb 17 2020 06:06PM     link to this

this is the interpretation of the modern election by lefties..
if the left wins..it's democracy
if the right wins.. it's fascism...LOL.
This kind of nonsense happen in the US and Europe.. too.
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Feb 17 2020 06:43PM     link to this

Pierrana yep that’s pretty much the Dembo mantra....!
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Feb 17 2020 07:09PM     link to this

The question was asked why the Dems would forget their principals and go against what the preach.

'cause they don't care - no morality, all they care about is power and defeating trump.

Who is going to defeat trump? that's all that matters - and it won't be anyone but a old rich white guy.

There's your answer.
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Feb 17 2020 08:15PM     link to this

^ The Adventure Begins
GoBallsDeep
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Feb 17 2020 09:41PM     link to this

"Can you name for me a time when a tax cut for the wealthy raised the overall standard of living for the American people? I'm looking for statistics and facts, not talking points or anecdotes."

Just cause you can't Google doesn't mean the information isn't out there. And, it's never been a tax cut just for the wealthy no matter how loud you yell or what moron on MSNBC you parrot.

The point is to let people who actually do the WORK decide what they want to do with THEIR money, not be forced to give it to some bureaucrat that lives in Washington. It's the whole point of price discovery in economics.

Note that the first to do it was a Democrat, a Democrat that wouldn't recognize the party he once represented. Course, nobody would recognize the Repub party either since they opted to follow the pied piper.

Now proceed with your talking points and anecdotes, please.
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Feb 17 2020 10:35PM     link to this

Sam... I would address the entire list but let me ask about 2.

1. The second amendment is becoming the victim of “creep.” They could never move from all guns are legal to no guns are legal in one big swoop. It’s being done an inch at a time. Over decades. Make no mistake, if the Pelosies Bloombergs Warrens, Betos’, Newsomes, etc... could eliminate gun rights completely... they would. They are just trying to fight the fights they might win right now. Are you saying the progressive left that is taking over the Democratic Party does not have the ultimate agenda to remove guns owned by citizens?

2. What makes a border wall, barrier, fence whatever you want to call it... Inhumane? If it’s not “inhumane”, and it’s proven barriers work, why is the left fighting so hard against a plan that will greatly impact illegal Immigration?

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Feb 17 2020 10:43PM     link to this

. So according to j502 our constitution is protected by a party that wants to take down the 2nd amendment..Less guns less death by guns. Take a look at any other civilized Western societies. None have the level of gun violence we do. Stop the madness with common sense prohibitions on assault style weapons, high capacity magazines etc. non of which were envisioned by the framers.

wants to get rid of the electoral college....Why not? It's an anachronism. As urbanization and population shifts to the more economically successful states and cities the electoral collage becomes less and less democratic.

wants to expand the superior court number.(to whatever number they like). I presume the supreme court....The goal should be bi-partisan and independent, the number is irrelevant.

wants to lower voting age to 16... Haven't heard of this one. The left do want to promote voting not disenfranchisement by voter suppression, Voter ID requirements, gerrymandering and other limitations favored by the right. More democracy is good not bad.

wants to have practically NO border..No body of consequence is advocating no border. Vast majority want effective and humane border policies.

give people that commit crimes lots of rights (like healthcare and Driving rights)... humanitarian treatment of prisoners is a recognized human right. Most people in the US are incarcerated because they can't afford good legal representation or pay bail not because they are guilty. Driving rights?

wants to get rid of self made Billionaires because they are immoral...
No. They support a progressive taxation system (like when America was great) that rewards the lucky, hardworking and smart with great wealth but also burdens them with a fee for the ability to earn that great wealth for the betterment of the wider society.

Wants to give free money to people because the color of their skin.. or maybe just give ladders of opportunity to those who bare the greatest burden of generations of both systemic and both intentional and unintentional racism.
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Feb 17 2020 11:49PM     link to this

Preach to Mexico about no gun problems

The bad guys have the guns
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Feb 18 2020 04:18AM     link to this

Both sides of the debate (Dems & Reps) like to cherry pick extreme positions by one candidate , then use them like bludgeons against all members of the opposite party. It's a lot easier than actually doing the hard work of negotiating. Picking extreme positions in the primaries is how you get noticed in a crowded field. Your skill at walking it all back once you're the nominee and tacking to the center determines how close you get to the Presidency.

Tell lies, then deny you meant it and say you were misquoted. No wonder politicians are less trusted than anybody else......other than HX members, lol

As to the Electoral College:
Simplest reason for the electoral college: no single state is entitled to an effective veto. We are a union of states, not individuals. This is the very basis of our representative government. The name of the country is still The United States Of America, not The United Persons of America.

Direct Democracy is better known as the Tyranny of the Majority typically leading to even more factionalism and strife. And, you're never getting that change made anyway, so just go with it.
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Feb 18 2020 04:20AM     link to this

And, learn some fucking history!
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Feb 18 2020 05:57AM     link to this

Learn? LOL

Now you have gone too far!
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Feb 18 2020 08:38AM     link to this

after more than 20 years in this country as a LEGAL immigrant from socialist/overtaxed/pour/Illigallyinvaded Europe.. it's still amaze me how the democrats try every trick in the book to spin facts and laws for their benefits.

NO ID for voting???? Are you kidding me? Apparently democrats think that black and latino folks are too lazy or stupid to get a photo ID..

Sanctuary Cities.??? are you kidding me? I spent time and lots of money entering this country the right way...Apparently I was really really dumb...

Reparations?? are you kidding me?? So my ancenstors were killed and persecuted by the romans 2000 years ago.. where is my handout??

I came to this country in the pursuit of happiness (and success AND money).. NOT to pay an endless amount of money for the welfare of my "poor" neighbors..

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Feb 18 2020 09:09AM     link to this

Bloomberg has been add to the democratic debate tomorrow evening...that should be fun to watch..LOL.
Of Course what you won't see.. are American Flags!!

that proves how much Democrats love this country and the constitution..ya right.
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Feb 18 2020 07:51PM     link to this

You rock, pieranna!
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Feb 18 2020 08:22PM     link to this

Pieranna is a really hungry fish with sharp teeth?

Or is it a supersize pierogi?

Don't you just love a heartfelt immigrant story?
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Feb 18 2020 08:25PM     link to this

I actually enjoy reading about somebody that earns their way.

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Feb 18 2020 09:27PM     link to this

^^ Fucking A

I was being facetious but I know legal immigrants of all colors, shapes and sizes. They've gone above and beyond to achieve their dreams, don't blame somebody else for their problems, and understand they hit the jackpot.

Well done!
















Now, go the Fuck back where you came from!

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