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Aaron Hernandez
Feb 23 2020 07:13PM more by KaiserSoce
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I just finished watching the Netflix Documentary.
As you already know he killed himself in prison. Some believed specifically because of an “abatement law” in Massachusetts that says if a defendant dies while on trial or the case is being appealed, the conviction is vacated.

It is believed he did it to provide for his surviving family. Without the conviction they could challenge for payment of part of his NFL contract.

His conviction was vacated.

The state later changed the law and re-instated his conviction.

I’m not discounting his guilt... and not arguing the family should be paid.

I think it is wrong for them to change the law and apply the change retroactively. Going forward.... fine. Going backward... unfair.
      
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Feb 23 2020 09:11PM     link to this

Could be argued that's an ex-post facto law which is unconditional.
Don't know the facts in this situation so hard to determine.
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Feb 23 2020 09:11PM     link to this

Link
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law
GoBallsDeep
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Feb 23 2020 09:13PM     link to this

Fucking spell check!

"Unconstitutional"

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Feb 23 2020 09:17PM     link to this

I would assume there's a morals clause in his contract that would protect the team and void his contract in a case like this.
KaiserSoce
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Feb 23 2020 10:29PM     link to this

To my knowledge... they didn’t pay.

The argument wasn’t that the law was unconstitutional.... but simply outdated.

The family of Odin Lioyd (the person he was convicted of killing) were key in challenging the law.

Either way, it doesn’t seem right to change a law retroactively in a way that has impact on a directly related case.

I don’t mean to trivialize the crime with this analogy... but it seems like you drive 65 in a 65 mph zone... then after you drive through... they later change it to a 40 mph zone.... and write you a ticket.

I’m sure that is a poor example.... but you get my point.
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Feb 23 2020 10:34PM     link to this

Wasn't he already convicted on the Odin Lloyd case and appealing a different case?
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Feb 24 2020 06:17AM     link to this

It’s a bit of a convoluted story.... here is a general order of events...

Here are the accusations:

Killed 2, wounded one in a car at a stoplight after leaving a club. Police had no leads. shooter was driving a silver SUV.

Hernandez’s “friend” was shot in the head at close range and left for dead. Friend said he didn’t know who shot him.

Hernandez becomes paranoid/fearful. Asked to be traded. Bought guns, Home security system, rented an apartment where he could hang out, smoke

Odin Loyd killed

Hernandez arrested for lLloyd killing, a LOT of circumstantial evidence. Find a silver SUV stored at his cousin’s house.

The guy who was shot in the head comes forward and says it was Hernandez that shot him. After being shot, he was found, rushed to the hospital. The next day, he called Hernandez and said, “What’s up?”
He said he didn’t tell the police who shot him because he wanted to get revenge himself.
He says He was with Hernandez When Hernandez shot the people at the stoplight.
Police begin to piece together Stoplight shooting.

Hernandez convicted of killing Odin Lloyd. Appeal the conviction.

He goes on trial for the stoplight shooting. Acquitted.

While Odin Lloyd appeal is in process, he kills himself in prison.

His conviction is vacated due to the Massachusetts Abatement law.

LLoyd family helps to get the Abatement law taken off the books.

Court’s refusal-instate Hernandez’s conviction.
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Feb 24 2020 06:32AM     link to this

Haven’t seen any of the specials out now and not really sure I care enough to watch them, but talk about one hell of a life story.
KaiserSoce
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Feb 24 2020 06:46AM     link to this

Sorry... that last line should say, Court reinstates Hernandez’s conviction.
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Feb 24 2020 07:33AM     link to this

The court did not increase his punishment. He was already dead.
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Feb 24 2020 10:40AM     link to this

@kaiser your speeding analogy is incorrect. It assumes the driver was following the law at the time the law was changed.

This would be more accurate:

Driver is doing 90 mph in a 65 mph zone. He gets a ticket. Law says ticket goes off your record if you get your car impounded. They change the law so even if you do get your car impounded, the ticket now stays on your driving record like it otherwise would have.
KaiserSoce
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Feb 24 2020 11:25AM     link to this

Your analogy is better.
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Feb 24 2020 12:35PM     link to this

I was under the impression they were in the process of proving him innocent when he killed himself . Correct me if I'm wrong wasn't one charge overturned and the other was in the process till he committed suicide??
KaiserSoce
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Feb 24 2020 12:42PM     link to this

They didn’t mention that in the documentary.

He was convicted of killing Oden Lloyd, received a life sentence. He was appealing.

He was acquitted of the shooting at the stoplight that killed to and injured 1.

KaiserSoce
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Feb 24 2020 06:45PM     link to this

*was
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Feb 24 2020 07:44PM     link to this

Rosita lol I thought he was hot to lol
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Feb 24 2020 09:13PM     link to this

If only that bad stuff hadn't come out, he could still be shooting people at stoplights ......

KaiserSoce
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Feb 24 2020 11:34PM     link to this

“His death doesn't added up to me. I don't think he kill himself.”

Sentence structure and word usage weren’t his strong suits either.

I am guessing the THREE separate hand written suicide notes (fiancé, daughter, lawyer) were faked!

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Feb 24 2020 11:52PM     link to this

Sorry. Good job on the English then!

Much better-o than my spanish-o

The only word I can type in Spanish is “Danke”

So you got me there....

but ... if he didn’t kill himself... who wrote the 3... long.... handwritten suicide notes?
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Feb 25 2020 01:00AM     link to this

Wasn't that dude gay? Not that there's anything wrong with that. jus axin.
KaiserSoce
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Feb 25 2020 06:45AM     link to this

I think he batted from both sides of the plate.

He was 27 when he killed himself. In the documentary, they had a guy friend that used to “mess around” after football practice 10-12 years earlier.

When the news came out that Arron was gay, the friends dad got pissed. He started yelling, “Those liars. They are saying Aaron was gay! Aaron wasn’t gay! Aaron’’s father (who died 13 years earlier) is rolling over in his grave hearing lies that his son is gay!”

It took a couple of months... but the son finally told his dad, “Uhhh dad, Aaron was gay. The reason I know is because... well... I used to suck his dick... and he would eat my ass and then I would draw X’s and O’s On his ass.... and a football on my dick. He would call out a play ... and I would run the ball.... and see if I could hit the hole.”

Ok... those details weren’t in the documentary... but he did come out of the closet by telling his dad, The reason I know Aaron is gay is because I am too and we have been together.”
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