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bigseekersb
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Impeachment 2
Sep 27 2019 06:22AM more by bigseekersb
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Now let's suppose this scenario had been Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, working under President Barack Obama. Hillary is talking to the Israeli ambassador. The Ambassador asks when we are giving them their next huge military aid package.

And Hillary says, "We want a favor, though. Your prosecutors should be more vigorous in investigating some of these corruption allegations against Prime Minister Netanyahu." And she works that same statement into the conversation 7 more times.

Anyone really believe that would not have blown the roof off the Republican-controlled Congress at the time? That would not even be interfering in an American election, but I am sure Speaker Ryan would have been calling for the heads of both Clinton and Obama.

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Now, as to some questions on what actually DID happen ...

Why did Trump want to involve his personal lawyer, Guliani, in the proposed investigation? Giulianai has no actual position in the US government. He is a Trump political operative.

And if this was such a routine conversation, why was it stored on a super-secret, separate, personal server?

In the transcript, the Ukraine guy says he wants to get more US Javelin missiles. Trump responds, 'Yeah, we have been really good to you. I want a favor, though.' - And then Trump proceeds to tell him 8 times that the Ukraine government should investigate his political opponent's son. (Hunter Biden, son of Trump's election opponent Joe Biden.)

Then, when the Ukraine guy is asked on camera, with Trump sitting next to him, the Ukraine guy says 'I don't want to get involved' and looks like he was afraid his Daddy Trump was gonna bitch-slap him.

This is very clear pressure linked to the aid package. If Obama did this, the GOP would have impeached him in a heartbeat.
      
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KaiserSoce
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Sep 27 2019 06:55AM     link to this

Really... “Let’s suppose” LOL

Let’s not.

It’s all partisan bullshit. Both sides do it.

The left needs to quit “clutching their pearls” aghast at what has happened to our democracy.
Nothing. Trump just doesn’t play the game by the same rules as everyone before him. I’m guessing it was like this the first time a football team threw a forward pass. the other team said, “Hey... they can’t do that! Now it’s a huge part of the game.


The right needs to quit feigning outrage that the left would dare attack and misrepresent everything they do. (It’s the way the game is now played. Their outrage is fake... they are laughing behind closed doors because their doofus followers are really mad about this bullshit.)

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Sep 27 2019 07:09AM     link to this

“People love you and you win, and when your son looks at you and says, ‘Mama, look, you won. Bullies don’t win.’ I said, ‘Baby, they don’t, because we’re going to go in there and we’re going to impeach the motherfucker,'”

- Rashida Tlaib 1/4/2019
loucfirr1
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Sep 27 2019 09:53AM     link to this

Uh no.
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Sep 27 2019 09:54AM     link to this

Yeah, what’s wrong with tranny truckers ?
MUNK
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Sep 27 2019 10:08AM     link to this

So you finally admit you like the dong
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Sep 27 2019 12:05PM     link to this

Kinda
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Sep 27 2019 03:39PM     link to this

the last 3 presidents before trump started several illegal wars that displaced and killed millions, spied illegally on all americans but this bullshit phone call is the straw that broke the camel's back? don't be a dupe, as shitty as trump might be this is pure propaganda from the military industrial complex. eisenhower warned about this shit decades ago, but you're too fucking busy cheering for your own dumb ass team, but truth like love thrives in the light and you can't keep it hidden forever...
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Sep 27 2019 03:40PM     link to this

Its simple. The Trump administration should release the unedited transcript of the call. Then everything will be clear. Its not complicated once the unedited transcript is released.
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Sep 27 2019 06:28PM     link to this

I would think Volker and Giulani should be questioned and their notes, records and recordings of their conversations with Ukrainian officials shortly after Trumps call should be subpoenaed. Supposedly they were dispatched to smooth over things. The question of a quid pro quo for foreign aid is very important.
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Sep 27 2019 07:21PM     link to this

If there was no quid pro quo in the unedited transcript of the Trump call then the democrats will fail with the impeachment.
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Sep 27 2019 09:01PM     link to this

rudy formally from SDNY knows what he's doing...not out of line for someone of his background to feel around and talk to people. dude seems to be loosing it sometimes, but he has the background for it

he's still defending his client from the russian investigation...dems are still going after the investigation after mueller and rudy is going on the offensive to find proof for his client to combat this

if they get impeachment thru...it will curtail a lot of this defense and offense activity by trump

a lot of this is to handcuff trump and his team and taint the AG before duram's investigation is complete...maybe getting him to recuse himself

---John Durham investigating Ukraine in Trump-Russia origins probe

Attached Links
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/25/john-durham-probing-ukraine-as-part-of-trump-russi/
sherkahn
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Sep 28 2019 05:00AM     link to this

Actually it is out of line, as Rudy has no formal ties or agreements with the State Department, nor is he allowed to soeak for the Federal government. He’s just Trump’s personal lawyer.

In case anyone needs an idea how wrong it is for Guilani to speak (legally) for the President as a rep for the Us Government, let’s say you have multiple delicate medical issues and you get into in a car accident. The ambulance team needs to know from your doctor(s) what medical treatment you can receive that won’t kill you, and they reach your dentist.
sherkahn
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Sep 28 2019 05:08AM     link to this

Here’s the key to impeaching Trump.

Multiple messages that were supposed to be in the White House server so aides and other agency leaders can turn the wishes of the President into policy were moved to a code-word level server for high-level, top-secret States secrets, and then the information about the move was covered up.

This was done because WH lawyers and the flunkies around the Don deemed the messages too toxic to sit in public, as the POTUS said stuff or made agreements he should not have.

The Ukraine call was just one if MANY.
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Sep 28 2019 07:50AM     link to this

Sure.Good luck with the Senste vote
KaiserSoce
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Sep 28 2019 07:50AM     link to this

The recent polls are interesting...

Bill Maher said it right last night. The Impeachment investigation... although it may be warranted is not resonating with the swing voters. They don’t care about a phone call to Ukraine. So the dems are testing “buzz words” to see if any of the resonate. So far... none. Treason, abuse of power, abuse of office, gangster, mafia, etc... they haven’t pinpointed the word that will engage the voters... and after the much hyped collusion probe that ended like a wet fart... they (swing voters) are paying attention for the “entertainment value” more than outrage.

Will be fun to watch this all play out.

I still think Biden is going to end up getting the worst of this. I’m guessing one of the 2nd tier candidates will make hay of the Joe/Hunter Biden thing to knock him down and try to move up.

The Senate will never impeach on the “evidence” that has come out so far... so this is really all Kabuki Theater until they find a real smoking gun.
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