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Oct 7 2019 02:47PM more by Harpooner
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Your brilliant president is fucking the Kurds who have been helping us fight ISIS. Of course, the sycophants will explain this away, or spin it like so much bullshit, or more likely just say “who gives a shit.” Sad!
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Oct 7 2019 04:19PM     link to this

Just wait till you see what he wants to do to the blacks in Chiraq.
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Oct 7 2019 04:55PM     link to this

Op = Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Oct 7 2019 05:06PM     link to this

Fuck if I know what's going on over there. But there is information coming out that al-Assad is not as bad as we are lead to believe.

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Oct 7 2019 05:10PM     link to this

That whole region is a mess.....we have had troops in the area forever.....I think Trump is just trying to get people to fight their own battles....and not send our troops all over the world.
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Oct 7 2019 05:12PM     link to this

You mean like America First?
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Oct 7 2019 05:16PM     link to this

This may or may not be a good decision for the long run but it's certainly not something that should be made on a whim without input, or a plan at least, from your top military brass, which clearly did not happen. Even fuckface McConnell and cocksucker Graham have spoken out against this decision.
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Oct 7 2019 05:41PM     link to this

we have a base in turkey....they are a nato member ally

let's see if they do what they say they are going to do...trump said he will strangle their economy again. i am sure the base and nato membership is probably up for grabs and this is a test for them.

Erdoğan is a bad dude and this is his little rope to see what he does. maybe he wants to cut ties and go the putin route....they are trying to buy the russian defense system? not sure if that has been finalized yet






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Oct 7 2019 05:50PM     link to this

We pretty much had a skeleton crew there anyways as advisors.... so if Turkey is going in, then best to move them out of the way for safety.
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Oct 7 2019 05:54PM     link to this

McConnell and Lindsey Lohan have a vested interest in militarily manufactured weapons, of course they object.
Member when Haliburton had the foriegn contracts in rebuilding.
Much of the same with these stone faced Republiklans.

You can whimper all you want about gun control. Won't stop the NRA.
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Oct 7 2019 05:55PM     link to this

You should kiss NRA's ass every day for fighting for your right to protect your dumpster and forty!
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Oct 7 2019 06:00PM     link to this

less than a 100? trump said 50

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Oct 7 2019 06:00PM     link to this

You have no idea!

THE NRA MAKES GRUMPYS DAY!
THE NRA MAKES GRUMPYS DAY!
THE NRA MAKES GRUMPYS DAY!
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Oct 7 2019 07:12PM     link to this

Our presence their stabilizes alloes and foes alike. Once we leave , its like a shark feeding frenzy.
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Oct 7 2019 07:18PM     link to this

I am sure pulling 51 people out of Syria is going to make a difference lmao...


SMH # snowflake liberals. Get a job!

#MAGA!
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Oct 7 2019 07:20PM     link to this

50 troops there?







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Oct 7 2019 07:40PM     link to this

Yeah but, they all have the strength of 10.
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Oct 7 2019 07:43PM     link to this

douglas macgregor had a good take on the reasoning behind it...see if i can find it




trump is always trying to get the surrounding region involved in their own shit so we don't have to be

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Oct 7 2019 09:48PM     link to this

I am not a Trump fan but it is time to stop these endless wars. Now is as good a time as any. Now if he would just stop sending Saudi Arabia those millions or billions in military aid the tragic war in Yemen could stop too.
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Oct 7 2019 09:55PM     link to this

“POTUS WENT ROGUE”

LOL...

Ummm he is the president... he made a decision. HOW DARE HE!

Mitch McConnell believes he has a supermajority in the senate supporting troops remaining in Syria.
The House will do anything it can to oppose Trump... so... they can vote to keep troops in Syria. If the senate has 2/3... its veto proof.

Why is everyone’s panties in a bunch?

This is how it’s supposed to work.
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Oct 7 2019 11:00PM     link to this

Get all of US troops out of all those shit hole Countries in the Middle East.
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Oct 7 2019 11:50PM     link to this

here is the tucker clip....good stuff!!

macgregor comes on at the 630ish mark for 5min....the first 6min with tucker is good also...that's his main type of spiel



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Harpooner
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Oct 8 2019 08:20AM     link to this

Here’s the problem:

1. The Kurds have fought side by side with our Special Ops forces. You don’t just turn your back on brothers in arms. It dishonors our military and our country.
2. Our military presence, however small, is keeping Turkey from attacking the Kurds. Trump withdrawing is a clear signal giving Turkey the okay to wipe out our allies.
3. The next time (and there will be a next time) we need support from local forces, they will remember the US does not honor its word.
4. This is how you create terrorists who want to exact revenge.
5. Speaking of terrorists, there are 60,000 ISIS families being held by our allies. We walk away and watch how fast they regroup.
6. Not conferring with your military experts before making a major strategic decision is stupid.

Trump’s actions on this are stupid and indefensible. You know it. He knows it. Everybody knows it.
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Oct 8 2019 08:54AM     link to this

�I have a little conflict of interest �cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,� Trump boasted in response. �It�s a tremendously successful job. It�s called Trump Towers � two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it�s two. And I�ve gotten to know Turkey very well. They�re amazing people, they�re incredible people. They have a strong leader.�

https://soundcloud.com/breitbart/breitbart-news-daily-donald-trump-december-1-2015

Trump only cares about himself! Not our Country, Not our allies and certainly not about any of you supporting him....
Harpooner
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Oct 8 2019 08:56AM     link to this

^Kelly gets it.
Harpooner
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Oct 8 2019 08:57AM     link to this

^But just the same, I’d love to give “it” to her myself. Just sayin’.
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Oct 8 2019 09:01AM     link to this

^^
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Oct 8 2019 09:26AM     link to this

Carpool?
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Oct 8 2019 09:35AM     link to this

the reality is that those properties are owned by others and license trump's name only for the project

not as much a conflict as you might think....were you thinking it was a 400million dollar building he was going to lose?


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Oct 8 2019 09:43AM     link to this

Insearchofstarfish....Those were Trumps words Not mine! Trump Said he had a Conflict of interest b/c of his 2 Towers in Istanbul!

Its obvious which interest he chose!

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Oct 8 2019 10:13AM     link to this

This is a self solving problem. Climate change will make this region uninhabitable in a few years.
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Oct 8 2019 10:20AM     link to this

took about 2min to hear it. he is off the cuff with his typical puffery style of self promotion before he was elected


they mention turkey and he gets to plug his building...sure that was first thing that comes out of his head

he would give two shits to have his name taken off the projects...the major amount of income from that project was paid out at the beginning when they were selling the condos and the ongoing is less than a million a year...maybe by a lot. the business owners love the plugs...i am sure they would not like to lose the name on the building which brings up values of real estate in the area.


listen to the youtue of macgregor above....there are many facets to the decision to remove 50 people from the area...might be good to hear all "possible" sides to it

he has been consistent with a few things-the countries in the region need to take care of themselves...they need to pay the freight of their own issues and defense...nato and europe countries need to do more.

this decision is brings all that together...we shall see.

turkey as a nato member needs to prove itself...trump has given them some rope to do so







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Oct 8 2019 11:05AM     link to this

If 50-100 American soldiers are vital to the Kurds holding the area, then they have bigger problems.
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Oct 8 2019 12:49PM     link to this

Harpooner,

I would ask how much time have you spent in the military? Your comment about “brothers in arms” sounds like you are a vet that may have been in a conflict somewhere. If so... I respect that.

If not, I would say spend some time in the Middle East in the middle of one of these conflicts (I have).

“The next time (and there will be a next time) we need support from local forces, they will remember the US does not honor its word.”

That’s an emotional bullshit argument. Local forces then... now and in the future support us when it is in THEIR best interests. The Kurds aren’t fighting with us because we are loyal buddies.

And...

What was our word that is being honored or broken? We will keep troops there forever? Because that is exactly how long this fight is going to last.
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Oct 8 2019 01:06PM     link to this

Trumps words have consequences whether it is for "puffery", bluster or to rouse the media...

In fact Pat Robertson said Trump may not get into heaven

Robertson says "The president, who allowed (Washington Post journalist Jamal) Khashoggi to be cut in pieces without any repercussions whatsoever, is now allowing the Christians and the Kurds to be massacred by the Turks"

"And I believe and I want to say this with great solemnity the President of the United States is in danger of losing the mandate of heaven if he permits this to happen" he concluded

Fire away Burnice!

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Oct 8 2019 01:11PM     link to this

Staff Sergeant Johnny "Joey" Jones (Ret.)

in this clip on dana's show...think clip is linked in twitter


says the kurds were thought of as very trustworthy and good fighting partners vs some of the other same type arrangements like the afgans


this does not mean we stay because of that fact though




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Oct 8 2019 01:23PM     link to this

"And I believe and I want to say this with great solemnity the President of the United States is in danger of losing the mandate of heaven if he permits this to happen"

Kelly... that has nothing to do with whether or not Trump personally gets into the good place.

He is essentially saying, “if you do this, God won’t be on your side anymore. LOL


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Oct 8 2019 01:28PM     link to this

Either way...I thought it was funny

I mean we can all see how much Trump concerns himself with his religion...Unless it is self serving

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Oct 8 2019 01:46PM     link to this

all these decisions are hard....that's why no one else was making them or staying the course of what was popular or status quo

Khashoggi? what did you want to happen there? play it out on all sides

same with this pull out decision

all the presidents said Jerusalem was the capital Israel and did nothing about it because it was easy to stay status quo trump said fuck that moved the embassy...ruffled major feathers with the decision. so far so good? any issues you care about here?


i will try and listen to both sides of anything....gotta be worth my time though


i tried for about 10min of susan rice on colbert....really tough when they hate the dude so bad though...you can see it with every utterance and face twitch, but i try



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Oct 8 2019 01:58PM     link to this

Harpooner has only fought battles against right wing people just because of their political beliefs. You know 5 of them masked and jump one elderly right winger. A brave soldier no doubt
Harpooner
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Oct 8 2019 02:48PM     link to this

^You are.
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Oct 8 2019 02:50PM     link to this

is that trump on here??

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