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Not sure I see the “smoking gun.”
The guy heard what Trump said on the call and thought it was wrong for him to ask Ukraine to investigate a U.S. citizen... so he reported it.
I don’t think there is any disagreement about what happened. The disagreement is over motivation.
Was he squeezing Ukraine just to take down a political opponent?
Or
Was he squeezing Ukraine to investigate corruption at the highest levels of our government?
You say hash browns he says home fries....
It seems his testimony... although shines a negative light on Trump... actually helps him. The guy isn’t claiming Trump was trying to take down an opponent. He is claiming the problem was putting pressure on Ukraine to investigate a US citizen.
He is our top Ukraine expert... his problem was the possible impact... not that he thought Trump was a criminal.
This looks like it could be Mueller Act II.
The media is unwittingly helping Trump. They are hyping these stories to get viewers and readers... and then the promised “smoking gun” never appears...
And everyone is left feeling like they just watched Geraldo open Al Capone’s safe.
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Merely asking for foreign help in an election is a federal crime. There need be no quid pro quo.
Trump will be impeached and will likely run as an impeached president.
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You want to put a shit load of FX points on that the Senate will not convict? You know that is all that really matters.
The house has enough votes to present articles of impeachment to the senate already... and most non-partisans see this for what it is... a political exercise.
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Too Wordy.
Plus there are so many different versions......keep hoping you fucking communists.
Or at least let the DNC rig THIS election for a Moderate - but I think they only rig nominations for the Clinton folk. I did like Slick Willy tho. Scumbag like Trump but decent policy.
Nice Tittays! 
PM bhole any time!
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He didn’t ask for election help, he asked for help identifying corruption
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bangkoklvr, you do know there is a transcript of the call, right? 
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And since they think the Fake dossier possible came from Ukraine - he can't look into it?
I saw zero quid pro quo in the Transcript lol.
At least he didn't leave jizz on the dress - bitches need to swallow FFS!
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Still don't see where Trump was asking for foreign help in an election. I do see him asking a foreign leader to look into something Biden had already done on foreign soil and is all over the TV bragging about it. How that amounts to foreign help in an election is alluding me. Trump never asked anyone to "dig up dirt" on Biden as the media is so fond of saying. Biden dug the dirt up all by himself.
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Keep on lying to yourselves. Trump will be impeached and join Clinton, Nixon, Johnson in that club.
He can run as an impeached president. Maybe he will even win.
If he commits more crimes, he can be impeached again.
Only the Senate can remove him from office. If they want to excuse his crimes, it's on them.
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"You want to put a shit load of FX points on that the Senate will not convict? You know that is all that really matters".
I want to put a shit load of FX points on him not being impeached. For the exact reason stated above.
If OP is so sure, take, take us up on it. Come on bro. Use those little fingers to take us up on it.
You can do it!
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Trump is the swamp!
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whats stupid is there is no smoking gun. Trump released the actual transcript to the phone call with the president of Ukraine. So no matter what anyone else said unless you can find something that you can convict him with from the actual transcript, any testimony, that is stated by so called witness or witnesses is just bull shit. In the Transcript its clear he was asking them to look into the what happened in 2016 in regards to Ukraine meddling in the election. Biden came up much later in the conversation and only briefly.
The only point to the whole impeachment process is for the sole purpose of political positioning and nothing else.
It's clear the Dems care about only getting Trump and nothing else. The certainly don't give a fuck about america or americans for that matter. They don't care about who and what you vote for. And they don't give a fuck about what rights you have as an american unless there the ones dictating those rights to you...
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Not sure why you’re laying this on Democrats. The Mueller investigation was orchestrated and run by Republicans. Every single witness in this impeachment inquiry has been a Republican. Countless republicans have come forward to say that this conduct is in violation of federal laws and hence impeachable.
I get it that this is your guy but why do some of you are some passionate about a guy who really does not give a damn about you or the rule of law for that matter? Most of you don’t know anything about Trump. I am from NY and grew up in the 80’s. I know Trump very well. There no more corrupt and crooked person that ever held the office of the presidency. he doesn’t give a damn about you. He’s lived in a corrupt tower all his life and never came down to mingle with people like you. He’s a master manipulator and knows how to make people like you follow him (I’m guessing you’re an older uneducated while male). You like him mainly because he channels your own demons plain and simple.
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Yes, it turns out there is a transcript of the Trump call and Vindman says it is three times longer than the memo released by Trump.
Other analysis by the WP had already determined this.
Vindman says key points regarding the deliverables by Trump were left out.
Those who are covering up the real details of the call could face jail time.
Remember, Nixon's top aids all went to prison.
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"I am from NY and grew up in the 80’s. I know Trump very well."
In 1980 you were what, 6 or 7 years old?
How in the hell do you know President Trump?
"He’s lived in a corrupt tower all his life and never came down to mingle with people like you."
Are you trying to refer to 911 when he brought a crew to help at ground zero?
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GeneShelby, please answer the questions above...
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@Geneshelby uhm your wrong the only republican in the Mueller investigation was Mueller. everyone else that was running that investigation was a card carrying democrat and a Hillary supporter.
The impeachment inquiry is a farce. So we got like 7 or 8 witnesses that say nope Trump did nothing wrong. But then you get one guy who says Trump did something wrong and all of the sudden that is a smoking gun???
Then we get some more conspiracy theories about how the actual transcript is actually 3 times longer than what is released.
We have had 3 years of this conspiracy try to impeach Trump nonsense. You would think that by now many of you democrats would see that you are being played for a fool. But nope Democrats think most people are too stupid to see what they are actually doing and using impeachment as a political weapon against the President. Come on they have been declaring impeachment since he took office. There are democratic senators in office who ran on impeaching Donald Trump.
Schiff and Pelosi's impeachment process is nothing more than communist fishing exposition.
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‘Every single witness in this impeachment inquiry has been a Republican.’
Uhhhh not even close to being true.
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“Countless republicans have come forward to say that this conduct is in violation of federal laws and hence impeachable. “
Please name 5 republicans that have said, “The president’s conduct was a violation of Federal laws and hence impeachable.” Name, quote and source material please
5 is a way short of countless...
I’ll wait right here.
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Two statements above, one stating that Trump never asked anybody to dig up dirt, and the other that this Ukraine issue is all a matter of interpretation might be valid arguments if Trump did not have Giuliani working for him. The recent arrests of two Russians who were helping Giuliani dig up dirt to help Trump undercuts your position. Further, Giuliani is Trump’s personal lawyer, not a US government official. He has no business working on a government investigation here in the US or a foreign country. But let’s not be naive. Trump employed Giuliani to get information he thought could help him in the 2020 election. Likewise, he tried to pressure the Ukraine president for the same reason. Quid pro quo or not, that is illegal.
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vss4 does not know the facts
whats stupid is there is no smoking gun. Trump released the actual transcript to the phone call with the president of Ukraine.
No one believes the full transcript has been released. As the news has reported:
"Others have noted the brevity of a document purporting to represent a call that lasted 30 minutes. Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) had two of his office’s interns read the call summary aloud, measuring its length with a stopwatch app. The time: 10 minutes 40 seconds, or roughly 20 minutes shorter than the White House’s assertion about the call’s length.
The memorandum of Trump’s call with Zelensky appears remarkably different in speed and content from the full transcripts of calls between President Trump and foreign leaders The Washington Post obtained in 2017.
The transcript of a 24-minute call with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, in which both the participants spoke English, included roughly 3,200 words, or about 133 words per minute. A 53-minute call with then-Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, in which both Trump and the Mexican president spoke through interpreters, included roughly 5,500 words, or about 102 words per minute.
The White House summary of Trump’s 30-minute call with Zelensky — which included interpreters because Zelensky spoke Ukrainian while Trump spoke English — includes fewer than 2,000 words, or roughly 65 words per minute. That suggests that the rough transcript of the Zelensky call includes about half the number of words that would be expected if the call had proceeded at the same or similar pace as the previous calls."
So, only half the content of the call has been released. The rest of the call will come during the Impeachment Proceedings. Nixon couldn't keep his tapes and Trump will not be able hide the full text of the call.
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Game 7. Love it. Hope it goes to a walk off. Or at least a chance of a walk off.
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I hope Trump mounts a better defense than world series talk.
I expect his Senate defenders to come out full conspiracy theory and blame Crowdstrike, the Irvine company that first identified the FSB interference in the election.
Or better yet, they could just insult all the witnesses and tell them they are RINOS.
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We do not need to mount a defense. He is not going to get impeached. Very naive of you to think he will.
Wishing, hoping, praying he does will not make it happen.
If you are so sure, put up a crap load of points. I bet you get a lot of takers.
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@Bangcklvr ,I love how all the sudden the media is credible again. Because Trump, is being impeached behind closed doors in secret testimony.
lmao!!!!!!!!!!
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Grienke throwing well. They have to be stoked he has gone 5 with no runs given up.
Cole in the pen? Nice luxury.
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@Miss. Blue Diamond. Since you made the cowardly choice to block me, might I go public with our
little PM skirmish. Thank you for being an authority and advising me, I appreciate it. I'm most certain
your ancestors would be thrilled with your life choices and conduct. Not to mention your cockeyed
political views! No need to be concerned with my suffering or demise, I hope you do the same, but
at a faster pace than I. Thank you for the kind wishes.
By the way, it's most flattering that you continue to contact me via PM. It brings a gentle smile to my
face each time I see your bountiful gifts in my mail box. I will miss that.
Cheers my love, and GO TRUMP'kin!!
What does the Planter's guy say during the Christmas commercials, "Do you like nuts?"
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Now 2-2. Just as I was hoping.
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Haha, oops. Fat fingers.
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Trump and his crew is the swamp!
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The back nine is three putts shot of a par
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Just like in the previous impeachments, there were closed door depositions and fact finding. This was necessary to determine if there is even a need for an impeachment hearing.
Now that multiple witness have given their depositions and the bulk of the evidence is that Trump asked a foreign power to interfere in a US election by investigating his primary rival and his son. Trump leveraged US tax payer money as a way to force Ukraine to publicly announce the investigation.
Multiple accounts have come forward to corroborate these basic facts including Trump's own words in a memo describing his conversation and an admission by his Chief of Staff at a news conference that "We do this all the time. Get over it."
There are a few others who will give their depositions and then there will be Impeachment Hearings in the House. It is the House that impeaches and the Senate who sets the penality (removal from office, bans against ever running for public office, etc.)
After the formal hearings, there will be a vote as to whether the evidence supports impeachment.
Given the evidence, Comrade Trump will be impeached.
Next, the Senate will hold a trial. It is likely Trump will not be convicted because Republicans do not believe that trying to extort a foreign official to deliver dirt on one's opponent in an election is a crime. They think this is simply dirty politics as usual. Maybe they do this all the time? Who knows.
When there is a new attorney general, there will be a criminal investigation of all those who assisted Trump in his crimes. Trump and his enablers will then be brought to justice where they can join Cohen and Manafort in federal prison.
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Nonsense. More TDS.
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Let him vent. It is all he has. He will have to deal with this for 5 more years. Gonna be fun reading guys like him blog with their whining until 2024.
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the fact finding was done by special council, not congress, and today, vindmans boss refuted everything vindman said, which was his opinion, not fact
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Harpooned by your logic Steele should not have been used to collect "Intel" on Trump as he is a foreign agent but that's ok why?
Amazing how everything Trump does is illegal only when he does it but perfectly legal when someone else does.
This whole whistleblower BS is a farce too. No one is saying he did anything illegal just that he is going against policy... Who's effing policy? These witnesses should be agents of the President and advise him to the best of their ability and not get butthurt when he goes his own way.... it's why he was elected and people should be upset that any Presidents policy is being undermined by unelected soy boys with over inflated sexes of self importance.
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Meh
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The smoking gun seems a little less Smokey today.
Morrison, said it was it appeared to be Quid, pro quo.
That’s far from was.
This is going to right down party lines.
Democrats are not going to be able to prove there was QPQ. But the implication, inference and appearance will be enough to impeach.
Republicans will want QPQ proven before they would agree to impeach.
This will be 2-3 months and end up right where we are today.
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You're wasting your time arguing with the trumpanzee cult. Just laugh at them and move on. They are like cry baby liberals but less educated and more insane with matching hats.
They don't care about America
They don't care about the "rule of law"
They don't care about freedom or any of that other bullshit they talk about
I grew up in that world. It's all lies, double speak, hypocrisy, and denial.... But I never thought they would actually cross the line and embrace criminals and treason and shit. That's this new RINO trumpanzee bullshit.
When you blindly follow a supreme leader...
And swear that only HE speaks the truth
And EVERYONE else is a liar and out to get you
And facts and reality are not to be trusted...because those in charge say so
And there is a major world wide conspiracy to bring you all down because harming the leader...harms YOU
And you denigrate and dehumanize others and believe them to be unenlightened and beneath you
And you are armed to the teeth...willing to fight...and die to protect your leader and your "movement"
Welcome to Waco mother fucker....YOU are in a CULT!!!
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