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People need to understand comorbidity better.
First realize that 40% of our population has diabetes so add all the other diseases and talking about 70% or so of our adult population. That means natural immunosuppression.
I could reclassify all kinds of deaths if I considered comorbidity. Comorbidity is used to decide what a patient can/cannot tolerate when it comes to treatment for the overriding health challenge.
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The problem with ALL of this is lack of trust in leadership. Perpetually we have 50% of our country that is unhappy with the leader and find leadership untrustworthy- I think we can all still agree upon that, at least....baby steps...From what I see there are about 35% that feel DJT can do NO wrong. And, another 35% that criticize EVERYTHING he does, even if that is what they wanted done, before he did it. So, there are only about 30% of the country that listen to both sides and like some elements of A and some of B....but we don't get much of a voice because we are not screaming like as I have heard them called "DemonRats" or "Republicunts." I am not tied to any one political party, and like to make my own decisions. I knew we were in trouble when before the 2016 vote happened, fact checking revealed that Hillary Clinton told the truth 34%of the time- I thought "wow" that's bad. Then I looked at Trump and it was 4%- not a typo- F-O-U-R percent. When it dawned on me that NO MATTER who became president, we were electing someone that told the truth less than 50% of the time. So, how do we trust, anymore....in the R defense to the mask thing- the policy has been so crazy (driven mainly from the left)- mask good, mask bad, sit in airplanes for 6 hours but don't sit in a barbershop for 30 min, stay outside but don't go to the beach....and in the defense of D- how can you trust anything coming from an agency which the speakers are terrified of losing their jobs if they don't say what POTUS wants to hear? When the CDC stopped being an A-political government agency and all communication controlled by DJT, all sorts of recommendations started to change. My honest fear is that the same short term thinking that DJT made, which caused him to file BK on 6 of his companies (not personally, just business- before that stirs up a bunch of commentary) is facing us right now- and with our health. He wants the economy back because that is his strong point against Biden (debate about how the economy GOT strong aside). And, in trying to get there- it seems like caution is thrown out the window for a 66 day sprint to the election- so, if the numbers on the economy come back and he gets re-elected he doesn't care about the Christmas body count, as long as he is holding the office. For me personally, I am most concerned about the contradictory words/concept of: "we will have a vaccine very soon" and "everyone is going to catch this thing [COVID]"- if you have resigned yourself to the fact that everyone is going to get it- why would you push for an actual working vaccine?
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I told you all the numbers are fake 3 months ago.
98% Fake Covid Cases Exposed in Texas County Audit
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We need an unbiased explanation of this data. I have always contended that the exponentially high morbidity rate was either 1 because we report better or 2 we are misclassifying.
Its beyond not believable that our death numbers are that much higher than anywhere else AND disingenuous of anyone to blindly accept the numbers and say "I trust the numbers" ....
Why do you trust them? These people have to come out every once in a while and spout something you know very little about? You don't know them... They are government bureaucrats crunching numbers from state bureaucrats that come from locally elected or appointed county and municipal bureaucrats who just probably arent all that outstanding in their fields.
If we can get someone without a political bent to say these people died with covid but died because they had a stroke due to uncontrollable HBP and diabetes etc. That would be helpful but ya know the press doesn't ask those questions ... They wouldn't want to have to report that answer.
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Unbiased 
Hell, Colin county, TX wrote a law that if your even remotely May test positive , 15 others get counted. Talk about inflation. Which is coming next, just sit back and wait for it. The question becomes, How long will it take for main stream to report it ?
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covid sickness gets paid by the government...other sickness sometimes does not get paid at all
hospitals and doctors were fucked with this disease...they had to shut off most other services where they make the most money. it's not far fetched...things just need to be investigated
i would contend that china, russia and few others would not report correctly...super cia type investigative shit was able to see how wide spread this was, when china was not forthcoming...they also were able to get info on the smoke of a crematories that were running 24/7...this helped china revise their numbers up, but still too small
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I am happy to see this blog. People are having civil discussion without having it become personal attacks on someone's personal beliefs. MAYBE there IS hope for this country...
Am I the only one that feels stupid around all these discussions (of the experts)? I am not a dumb guy, have a doctorate, (2) businesses- like to think I am not a dummy...But, I feel stupid and that feeling makes me question whether or not "they" are slipping something by me, because of my lack of understanding. Fact-hospitals are marking deaths that could be other causes-HBP, heart attack, etc as Covid- if the person has covid. I know this because I have a family member that is an MD at Long Beach Hospital. But what does that really mean?!? If the covid put such a stress on their heart etc- that they died- didn't they die from covid? And if they have heart disease and die from a heart matter- didn't they die from heart disease? I understand that elective surgeries were/are cancelled so the hospitals need to make money to stay open- and the govt is giving money for covid cases- so I get the economic incentive to call it a covid death.
BUT, here is my real stupid question....where is it all coming from? We locked down- the incubation is 14 days roughly- so if everything was shut down for over 14 days- wouldn't it be gone, or contained in the hospitals where the ones sick with it went? And, are there really (3) or more "strains" of this? One seems to be a flu like situation- giving you the shits, and stomach flu symptoms and others seem to be like a bronchitis going right to your lungs- and still another seems to be allergy symptoms of sneezing, sore throat-and no fever?!?
Are "they" telling us that every sickness and allergy is now covid? or are there TRULY different strains of this? My frustration is the lack of a trustworthy "point person" on this...and my own inability to understand fully what to do. I get it- wear a mask religiously, try not to be inside with lots of people, etc. With no leadership, though, I feel like either I am being stupid for not doing more because maybe it is not as big a risk as they say- or, this is never going to go away because we are going to try so hard to rebuild the economy that if we are at the cusp of getting a handle on it, it will be blown apart by December...
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all good questions...we don't know shit btw...will have to see when they do some investigative reporting on it
i would count the heart failing to covid...if they had covid in their system.
BUT lets say the dude was on the clock with less than few months to live? maybe that's where they can have some guidance
there is a pretty good study out there that talks about all the days of life being lost...due to lack of medical services and bunch of other stuff....the numbers were at one time dwarfing the covid death...not sure where it stands now
cdc came out and said 25percent of 18-25 yr olds have contemplated suicide during this covid time
people that lose there homes, businesses...they are on suicide watch...especially if they have life insurance for the family.
managing covid and the country is not in a vacuum...many other lives are getting destroyed and they might not make it back
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@Flash911 - you are cherry-picking the data. The chart just below the one your referred to is much more telling. It is the comparison of the number of expected deaths vs. the number of deaths that actually occurred. Look at the number of excess deaths in May, 2020; it is highly elevated. I am much more concerned about the number of excess deaths than the comorbidity data. In other words, if based on data from previous years' data, 100 people were expected to die in May, 2020 but 200 people died and the only variable was exposure to a virus who cares about comorbidity factors.
@insearchofstarfish - The Trump Insurance program that was issued in April, 2020 was intended for uninsured COVID patients. So, if you were another government health insurance program - Medicare, Medicaid - the government still paid hospital bills regardless of whether COVID-19 was the primary diagnosis. The same is true for private insurance plans. The Trump plan only paid if COVID-19 was the primary diagnosis. So far, the program has paid out a total of $851M ($267M for testing and $584 million for treatment). However, the Kaiser Foundation estimated that the hospital costs for uninsured coronavirus patients could reach between $14 billion-$41.8 billion so it doesn't appear that hospitals were manipulating patients' diagnosis.
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Oh- I totally hear you. Because I have no brothers or sisters, I am left to take care of my parents- so I kind of have to stay around for that. No kids, no real responsibility, so other than my parents- the world really doesn't need me in it- facts being facts. It is hard AF to keep going during these times, and not bragging, but I am doing well financially. Sounds like "first world problems" but- I have worked nearly 7 days a week straight from February...no vacation, no real "turning your mind off" so I am burnt the FUCK out! I spend many days typing around on the computer and getting nothing done- I am trying to complete an open construction project that should have been done by now....but we got called off because the owner got exposed to COVID- so we all had to get tested and self quarantine and it's really hard to get motivated again once you go through the drill. Honestly speaking- I thought Trump was full of shit when he said about how many people would be killing themselves if the economy went bad, or we shut down, etc....but fast forward, I see what the talk was about. I am pissed at both sides in this one, because if we HAD to shut down- it should have been full-scale, shut it ALL down for a month- full lockdown and get the virus off the books. But, people wanted to bitch about their rights and not fully implement safety to stop this mess. And, the other side, wanting to feel like they have some kind of power demanded a shutdown, without demanding that it be full scale, and caved to public pressure, doing only a half-assed job- so essentially we ended up with no economy and no stop of the virus. I am a "solutions guy" and don't like to just bitch about things, without offering a solution- but at this point, I HONESTLY don't know what the solution is....if we just go back to "normal" and the numbers go off the charts- I think our fledgling economy will be irreparably broken. But, if we aren't in this together to TRULY stop it, and there are still college parties and people having bike rallies, etc- what is the point of NOT re-opening everything and, I guess, hoping for the best.....
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good info thanks...i do remember the insurance coverage talks "a bit" when they were happening
will be very interesting to see all the medical costs for this when said and done...in the cares act, 175b was for hospitals and doctors...that should cover a lot of uninsured...average cost to cover in the hospital runs about 30k each per case
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Let's remember the original plan was to "flatten the curve" - not "no one gets it" - "flatten the curve" so the healthcare system is not overwhelmed. Also look at the numbers & percentages of those over 70 who get this and die. In many states 70+% of those who have died are in retirement/rest homes. I have been told by people that know that 50+% of those were in hospice care - less than 6 months to live. So protect those who need be protected and let the rest of us get about our lives.
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Yeah, get rid of us geezers!
"US projected number of total deaths 2020" google search can lead to a graph of the weekly death rate since Jan 1, 2017. (tried to copy & paste the graph, but it didn't work)
Seems to peak around 60,000 about New Years ever year. This year was no exception. What makes this year with COVID different is the much larger 80,000 peak in May. Those excess deaths are the ones due to coronavirus. Co-morbidity or not. Way more than 10K.
Personally, as a geezer with COPD at high risk, I have my own PPE to use when I go out. Still see providers frequently which is taking a big chance. Worth it though---my current ATF has me performing like 30 years ago.
Want to know how Russian hackers are influencing the election? Qanon and stupid social media plants like that.

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The CDC site had nothing.
Checked the Twitter feed. It's gone, probably because what was being said wasn't true.
More misinformation
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Re-checked the CDC site. It says that 6% of deaths listed COVID as the only reason.
A few comments.
1. Deaths don't "count" any less because people have co-morbidities. 6 in 10 of Americans have co-morbidities. That's 192 million people -- a lot of people that are vulnerable to dying from COVID due to co-morbities.
2. Death isn't the only negative outcome associated with COVID-19. 20% of people who are symptomatic go to the hospital. Many of these people still have life-altering symptoms (neurological, cardiac, nephrological, pulmonological) months after leaving the hospital.
This isn't the flu. We have no vaccine (unlike the flu). Transmission is much higher than the typical flu, and therefore many more will be affected. Death rate is also likely 6 times higher than even a bad flu.
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^ 3. And MOST IMPORTANTLY. (Duh! me for not thinking about this until now). Like any virus or a cancer, it's not necessary the virus or cancer that always directly kills you, but secondary factors like pneumonia. So most people who die from COVID end up with secondary problems that are indirectly caused by the virus. It is these secondary problems that probably end up directly killing the patient.
So, this whole 6% stat, or at least the way you covidiots are using it, is COMPLETE HORSESHIT.
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@FDAU - Understand your frustration but I don't think that life will return to normal until the vast majority of the public BELIEVES that the virus is under control. No amount of positive statements from political leaders is gonna have any real impact. White collar workers (and there are a lot of them) will continue to work at home rather than go into a crowded office, have to socially distance and wear a mask. This is a killer for restaurants since there is very diminished lunch and dinner crowd. Also, impacts most gig workers and entertainment venues. Most corporations are prohibiting travel until next year, which is devastating to airlines and hotels. And every time, the number of cases spike, people will be freaking out. If Newsome said tomorrow no more restrictions, let's get back to "normal" do you really think we will have a seamless transition to normal. We cannot have a normal functioning economy where a good chunk of the population thinks the coronavirus is a hoax, just a plot by the Dems win the WH and an equal or greater number of people don't believe anything coming out of the WH or CDC.
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It is insane that we are having this conversation now. It’s like conservatives are fine with being willful idiots when faced with facts that don’t comport with their politics.
If you know someone who is elderly, obese, diabetic, asthmatic, etc., which 100% of us do, then your catching COVID and allowing it to spread to them may be a death sentence to THEM.
It doesn’t matter if people die only from COVID or complications stemming directly from exposure to COVID if COVID is a significant contributing factor. Put another way, had they not been exposed to COVID, they wouldn’t have died shortly after they were infected with COVID (the direct cause of death is irrelevant).
It’s like saying saying that the accident that occurred when you hit a wall driving at 100mph wasn’t the cause of death, it was the head trauma and loss of blood. The death from those causes directly resulted from the reckless driving, and the deaths from comorbidities directly resulted by being infected by COVID.
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"It's not horseshit when so-called projections were predicting 2 million American COVID deaths."
Things would have been much worse in terms of deaths if we did absolutely nothing. That's where that figure comes from.
"Everything with COVID news has been deceptive, exaggerated, and manipulative."
Another extreme statement. EVERYTHING? Wow. Then stop looking at the news through the bias lens you use.
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^^^^Mr Shadows
I hope my pecker is still working when I reach your age!
Good Lord, that would be icing on the cake.
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@luv.bj
I've read many of your posts; you're one of the biggest idiots on this site. You regurgitate the same tired, twisted arguments that you're fed through Fox News.
Wait...you're from Huntington Beach? That explains everything.
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^Huntington Beach does have a lot of cases without the excuse of having the crowded housing situations other OC cities with high case numbers tend to have.
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@luv.bj
"So we are going to ruin people's financial lives because the at-risk are too lazy to take precaution into their own hands?"
One more thing. Had "our President" pulled his head from his ass and actually had a viable plan, like mandating mask-wearing, the economy wouldn't need to be shut down.
And I am not for shutting down the economy down again. Only 50% of the U.S population wears masks in public (can you guess which political party a majority of those people belong to?) and if we are able to get to 90% wearing masks in public, we can control the spread of the virus.
My point, which clearly went over your head, is that catching COVID can be a death sentence to you or the people you interact with. The comorbitities are irrelevant as being the cause of death if COVID was the primary contributing factor that resulted in the person dying because they were living just fine with diabetes, obesity, etc., until they caught COVID.
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Man dies from loss of blood after falling through a glass window slashing his throat, but he was taking blood thinner meds for blood vessel disease. Cause of death is blood vessel disease. Makes sense.
Just another Trump admin con in play.
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@luv.bj
"My brain hurts from people not getting it. People die. Yes they do. Yes they die everyday. Covid or not, they unfortunately die. Even in N.Y., they die. Get it now??"
Wow. I am worried about being around people like you.
Again, people were living just fine with the health issues they had until they were infected with COVID. It is strange that you can't comprehend this simple fact.
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That sounds like a solid argument for euthanasia or, as the Tea Party, so loudly proclaimed "Death Panels". For example, why should our society spend a fortune to keep a sick 90-year old alive since they might only live 1-2 more years and exorbitant medical costs (Medicare) will fall heavily on young workers. Or, a 75-year old person who has cancer that might have a 40% chance of living 5 years and will incur mucho dollars in treatment costs. Where do you draw the line? If you want to be pre-euthanasia that is fine but at least understand you have opened Pandora's box.
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I meant pro not pre.
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"Man dies from loss of blood after falling through a glass window slashing his throat, but he was taking blood thinner meds for blood vessel disease. Cause of death is blood vessel disease. Makes sense.
Just another Trump admin con in play."
Not analogous to what mildlyamusing was saying. It's more like this: You have COVID. Having severe COVID makes you vulnerable to getting blood clots, which could be life threatening. Say you die from one of these blood clots. Your cause of death would be from both the COVID and the blood clot, because if not for COVID, you'd never have had these blood clots.
This is an example of why there are so many cases where there are multiple reasons for causes of death.
Why are so many of you so dense about this?
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From the CDC:
"If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the underlying cause of death, as it can lead to various life- threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it."
This is why 6% of all cases only report COVID as a cause of death. Because usually it's something else (caused by the COVID) that actually kills the patient and is recorded with the COVID.
You stupid covidiots.
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If you get COVID-19 with a pre-existing condition resulting in death. You died because you were infected with COVID-19. Period.
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Hey PSQ1 - you don't get bj's point - if you have a pre-existing condition and die from COVID-19 it is your own fucking fault. Notwithstanding the fact that the pre-existing condition, like Type 1 diabetes, may be genetic and have nothing to do with your lifestyle. It is just thinning the herd. Some may call it eugenics and other may see it as the first step towards Death Panels. And, of course, it is the Deep State probably in cahoots with the Chinese that conceived this devious COVID pandemic to defeat Trump in the 2020 election. He has proof - from Alex Jones at Infowars.
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I posted this about a month ago but my friends mother was 95 years old and she passed away due to natural causes. Her death was ruled as COVID 19. That’s the point we are trying to make.
Maybe because of the financial gain they ruled her death that way. They were cooking the books. They needed justification to shut everything down so they made it look that way. Most of my family are doctors.... (2) are in Different hospitals in Los Angeles, (2) in Kansas City and (2) inChicago they all said the same thing the emergency rooms were empty.
This is not a Republican or Democrat thing.... most of my family are Dems there was no reason to lie about how busy the hospitals are...
Remember that ice cream sales and rape incidents are correlated. Ice cream sales go up so do rape cases but one has nothing to do with the other so if your looking at these stats on paper It’s easy to make assumptions.
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This whole thing is a joke the way it’s been handled I don’t believe anybody on either side or in between on the numbers what’s caused it. That goes for the experts because you don’t know where they’re weighing in. They may be an expert but they can still be bought off politically…
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^More lies
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That was for rkavman
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More truth!
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WHY are people in such denial of facts and science? I don't understand.
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Because I don’t believe anyone. The government the politicians big business of lied to us repeatedly how can you trust anyone
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All the Trumpanzees can get COVID-19 and that is cool with me.
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You can trust the science. Reading original research papers from the scientists -- and understanding firsthand the science with what is going on -- will make you believe and trust in what they do.
You may develop skepticism, but that is different than believing in afactual material.
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You don’t understand any documents could be manipulated I don’t trust anybody.
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