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I guess I could have flagged Nike Air shoes...but the bags seem more 'needed'....LOL.
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This is the new radical woke left.
This is policy placed far from practical reality. Nobody with 1/2 a mind for business can get behind this but this is the complete nonsense we get from progressives now.
This what we get from George Soros who throws money behind these people to get elected.
This bullshit will tear our cities to shreds.
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There's already an 'epidemic' of people moving out of SF, I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to stores closing and moving out as well.
California legislature has passed a state wide law, which newsome signed, making shop lifting legal - If someone steals LESS than $950.00 no crime has been committed???
I still can't believe people continue to re-elect these people.
Atticus Finch
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Atticus....the threshold is $950, so anything below that is a misdemeanor and probably not pursued by the police and most definitely not pursued by the DA. So in effect, it makes it almost legal.
San Francisco has moved to the top of the list of 20 largest cities in the U.S. ranked by most property crimes, theft, shoplifting and vandalism. Good job San Francisco...you are number one in something.
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Can someone sue the city/state for passing a law like this. It'd be interesting to see the SC take on a case like this. Seems unconstitutional to me.
Atticus Finch
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Guess the key....don't be a shop owner in California.
But of course, people are so stupid in this state....guess what...the shop owners don't pay, they just raise their prices so all of us get to pay for those who shop lift. Pass the cost from the criminals to the law abiding tax payers.
Another subtle way we get fucked in this state....excessive vehicle registration, exorbitant gas tax, fees, extra charges and taxes.
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So they could be charged with a felony for taking the LV bag......
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But if they NEEDED it, the DA will let it slide...
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The way I see it is the moron Newsom is passing his fucked up legislation from SF onto the rest of the state.
The reason SF came up with a law establishing a threshold ( $950 ) is because there's so much homeless up in SF committing petty theft and car breaking. The police where inundated with calls so the legislation.
But passing that fucked up bandaid legislation statewide where misdemeanor theft is NOT a problem is like pouring gasoline on a pilot light.
Where do we get these dipshit politicians? SMH
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And because the Democrats have a super majority in both houses, there is absolutely NO resistance against the craziness.
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Wow....our politicians have NOTHING to do with this economy. The businesses in CA are succeeding in SPITE of the politicians.
Newsom and his cronies have nothing to do with the boom of high tech.
If they got the hell out of dodge, I bet we could be #4.....LOL
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It WASN'T them that made the state successful it was the ones from the 60's, 70's and to a lesser extent 80's that turned the state into a juggernaut. All these idiots have done is to tear down what those people did.
Too, during those times the state had a split legislature - Dems & Repubs which kept things from getting too out of hand. Unlike now.
And if you haven't noticed Texas is now the 6th and climbing. And many businesses are moving there from California because Texas is EXTREMELY business friendly. Tech companies like apple & google have huge campuses in Austin.
Atticus Finch
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Yes, Atticus....Texas will be plowing under California in a few years.
There are lots of people who live in CA who are actively looking to leave.
I have 3 clients who have recently moved their business out of this state. And a couple of others are doing due diligence to find another home.
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Isnt there something about high speed chases and they can be considered a misdemeanor or they just end up ending the chase and letting them go?
Is that why there are more high speed chases now?
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Just pull shit out of your ass....
You might want to read up about the exodus from California...there aren't 5 businesses waiting to come it......
And people themselves are moving out.
https://www.sfgate.com/expensive-san-francisco/article/move-california-where-to-go-cheap-states-best-14811246.php
Try to contact U-haul and get a one way move from California to Texas....
https://fee.org/articles/u-haul-rates-suggest-migration-from-california-to-texas-is-accelerating/
The links below address the business exodus.
I deal in facts, not arm waiving arguments.
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I agree. If you want to really deal in facts, jazz, you should update your sources.
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^^smart
And the Cali economy has Zero to do with politicians if you do large business here - just like real estate....Location, Location, Location.
You have a desert next to the ocean for AG and the weather is why we all create offices here. Why there is so much Biotech, fuck opening out in NC/Boston. You get a lot of high end talent to come to Cali due to the quality of life.
And with Tech it is about the same - just younger talent who want to live in tech compounds. That is how Amazon and Microsoft get so many to end up in PNW. They have sick campuses.
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You have a problem with the Dallas Business Journal reporting on companies that are moving into Dallas Fort Worth.
The Chief Executive is an excellent journal to help business leaders know what is happening around the country.
https://chiefexecutive.net/
https://spectrumlocationsolutions.com/2020/09/02/cnbc-why-people-companies-are-fleeing-california/
https://earlyinvesting.com/tech-companies-flee-california-finally/
https://www.southstarcommunities.com/blog/companies-leave-california-bound-for-texas
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2019/11/30/schwab-is-the-latest-company-leaving-california-for-texas-and-it-wont-be-the-last-expert-says/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-09/where-people-leaving-new-york-california-and-illinois-are-going
Do you want more sources? These are business journals, read by business executives. You can put your head in the sand, but the reality is folks are finding better places to run their businesses.
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You should vary your sources more. Get a variety of news sources.
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If you actually varied your news sources, you would know that net migration into the San Francisco Bay Area is about 0.
"The demographics of the city are quickly changing, too. According to an analysis by the Golden Stats Warrior, families making more than $100,000 per year are moving here at a much faster rate than those making under $60,000 a year."
Unless, of course, you don't trust news sources that don't have a conservative, business bias.
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"Are rich people fleeing California to escape astronomical state income taxes? That’s the word. But it’s fake news.."
"In fact, more wealthy people are moving to California than leaving, research indicates. It’s the poor and middle class who are departing.." ,
I guess the LA Times is too liberal for you to read, jazz. Hence, your lack of knowledge and your bias.
That's why you know next to nothing about coronavirus, jazz. Check your bias.
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And very true on businesses leaving.
CA and WA are trying to gain more tax money. Going after high salaried employees within organizations. Won't work as many of us can just alter business model or unfortunately cap lower earners so they do not join the targeted group.
Why much of Southwest will be growing quickly. Buy your land now  Be worth a lot more soon.
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I thought it was Prop 47 that reclassified certain crimes, including shoplifting under $950, as a misdemeanor. Prior to Prop 47, a DA could charge a shoplifter, irrespective of the amount, with a felony (burglary). The intent of Prop 47 was somewhat admirable - reduce prison populations for nonviolent crime and not lock up folks for 2 years that stole minor shit. It should also be noted that even if an individual stole less than $950 they can still be charged with a felony if they have a prior criminal record. Based on recent crime statistics, it does seems that the benefits of the proposition were oversold in some respects. But that is what happens when you legislate by proposition. Sometimes you end up with Prop 13 and sometimes with Prop 65. Finally, when you overreact to a crime situation you end up with extreme measures ("3 strikes you're out") and then the pendulum over reacts in the other direction.
I find the news media (TV and print) to be almost worthless when it comes to issues like the exodus from California cities. It is just a good story for the nightly news or the local rag without much in depth analysis. It would be very worthwhile to have a detailed, heavy of statistics and analysis report to examine what is happening. IMHO, the primary reason individuals and corporations depart is the absurdly high cost of housing. Companies can't recruit and keep young talent because newcomers and people under 35 just can't afford the cost of living. And you can blame that on NIMBYism.
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The LA Times...right there with New York Times and CNN. I don’t subscribe!!!
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Zeros: I wrote a paper on high speed chase. The thing about that is most of the suspects that start a chase were getting pulled over for nothing. Well not nothing to them but in the realm of all things.... Nothing. And certainly not anything worth someone dying.
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It's funny to see so many denying that there's a mass exodus out of SF, or California for that matter. Every local SF tv station has covered it saying things like 'you can't turn a corner without seeing a moving van or trailer'. The few people I know who live/ed in SF have either moved out or are in the process of moving out and the ones that are in the process say there's a week/s long waiting list for moving trucks/trailers. One said he had to drive to Sac to get one.
According to them, people that I know that have/are moving out, many of the people moving out are working remotely for tech companies and so can now work anywhere but also business owners and they're taking any of their employees that want to go. People that are fed up with the high crime, homeless, high rents and idiotic laws. And no, they aren't moving to other cities in California. They're moving to Boise, Bend, Austin, Tucson, Tempe, San Antonio, Dallas etc. etc.
Does that mean that the population of SF is going down? No. But those same news stations report that the people that are moving into SF aren't moving there from other U.S. cities they're people that are moving to the U.S. from other countries. It even shows in the rent rolls as rents have been on the decline for over a year as there is now more vacancies then there is demand.
You can deny it all you want, but your denial doesn't make it the truth.
Atticus Finch
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California is losing a House seat this year, that's all you need to know.
It will lose more over the coming years.
Proportionally, it's peaked although population barely grew a tiny bit.
Given the hot market will bring some unicorn IPO's, CA might make it thru but given its over-reliance on a small base of high income people, eventually CA will eat shit on its pensions and it's deficit.
It's inevitable when your pension obligations are approaching 1 trillion and you're not earning your assumed rate of return, CA will come for more middle class. Why you think they're trying to grab more commercial/industrial by getting rid of prop 13 on those. Plus the increase to 18% top bracket proposal.
Haha, it's a one party state, better fire up your u-haul.
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You gotta love how night and sponge bob are complaining about your sources Jazz, but then go on and quote really respectable sources like the NYT, The Washington Post and LA Times. Sheesh.....
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Get it while the gettin is good
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Night rider....you may be so intelligent, but you can't read. I never said Rich people were leaving.
Maybe someone else said it, or maybe that was stated in one of the linked articles.
I said PEOPLE and BUSINESSES are leaving.....
Don't put words in other people's mouths....but hey, that seems to be what occurs regularly in our country....look at most of the media outlets.
Like someone did say....just wait for the rich to depart. When our legislature raises the top income tax rate and installs a wealth tax (CA will probably get that done well before the U.S. does), then you will see that exodus that New York is presently seeing. California due to weather and a great place to live, people are harder pressed to leave.
If we have the same climate that New York has, our millionaires would all be gone....LOL.
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Goballsdeep
Haha, it's a one party state, better fire up your u-haul.
But you will pay a premium and have to wait in line for that U-haul....LOL
rKavman...yes, I did notice that. The LA Times is running cover for the politicians in Sacto.
They can say the rich are coming in rather than going out. But in reality, the rich are securing property elsewhere and will eventually do the 6 months and 1 day someplace else and still remain in CA for less than half a year to keep from residency.
And the critical thing is business. The data is very clear on businesses departing. Good news, we do have small business start ups in CA, but as this state makes it harder to succeed as a small business owner, they will find another place to start up.
The left always wants to attack sources....but they just never seem to be able to refute the FACTS that are found in those sources.
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You might want to look at the Forbes business ranking comparing CA and TX.
I have given the links to both CA and TX. Of course, this was pre-Covid but I expect the results to be comparable or even better moving forward for TX.
Some of the highlights:
Unemployment TX 3.5% CA 4.5%
Net migration TX 202,400 CA -54,200
Cost of doing business TX 10% below national average CA 13% above national average
Moody' Bond Rating TX Aaa.....CA Aa2....that is two levels below Texas
Forbes Best Business States Ranking TX #2 CA #31
Texas economy would be #10 in the world. Give it time and given all of the metrics shining on them, they will be catching CA on a per capita basis soon. You have to understand that CA has almost 10 million more people, thus the Gross State Product will obviously be bigger based upon the extra people in the economy.
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Bob.....take off your rose colored glasses. Read the articles, listen to Forbes and others who know a shit load more about State's economy than you do.
I started my own business and have run it for 21 years....so I am not flipping burgers at McDonald's. The politicians in this state keep blowing smoke up your ass....read about pension liability. Understand bond ratings. Even if only middle class people are departing...those are TAXPAYERS.
I have 3 clients who moved their businesses our of CA in the past 18 months. They have told me it was the best decisions they have ever made.
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People came to CA due to the weather and huge business opportunity. People are slowly finding that the cost of living, ever increasing taxes, fees and service charges, and escalation of homelessness and poverty and encampments on their front door are causing people to rethink their decisions.
Put your head in the sand...it is happening
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When Texas and North Carolina keep kicking CA's butt....keep believing the idiots in Sacto.
Read about pension liability...PLEASE.
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