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I’m taking the Russian vaccine
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Someone may have developed transverse myelitis. This is an inflammation of the spinal cord that can interfere with signaling. Can have things like weakness and paralysis. Could be temporary or permanent.
Doesn’t sound good for that vaccine if it indeed was the cause. Again, most vaccine candidates fail. We’ll be lucky to find a safe, effective one to be given out sometime next year.
This is why we need to test for safety and efficacy. No one wants to become paralyzed from a vaccine.
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Transverse myelitis is one of those symptoms that can herald in multiple sclerosis.
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The sad part is that this news probably made you giddy.
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Nope
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It is not rushing things you fucking idiot - it is how clinical trials work.
They just have to report it since it is in the public eye.
Billions are spent on therapy that get to Phase 2 or 3 then die - or they are found to have a completely different use - like all those psoriasis meds - they all start as cancer trials.
Fuck I hate stupid people that think they know about shit - stick to all the bullshit political stuff.
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The adverse event is not because it was rushed!
This is why clinical trials are done. The event needs to be studied as with all adverse events to determine if the vaccine was the cause.
Wish everyone would stop with the vaccine gloom and doom. These vaccines are based on existing technology by their respective developers so they already know a lot about how the drug interacts with the human body. That is one of the reasons these vaccines were developed so fast.
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it's kinda hard to listen to him...one minute he has this smart thing, about the virus, going...next minute, he's a revolutionary against trump. it's pretty herky-jerky
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This is just a speed bump and they are being cautious. We will get more info in due time. I hope it turns out to be a false issue.
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Absolutely ridiculous to speculate about the cause and significance of the adverse effect at this point.
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Read carefully, MAYBE, MIGHT, They dont know if the vaccine is the cause.
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Absolutely not ridiculous to speculate. There’s really not much to this. If they can’t unlink the transverse myelitis to the vaccine, you don’t continue the trial. You go to the next vaccine.
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There are hundreds of vaccine candidates. This why it takes so long to bring a vaccine into use. Five years at least, usually.
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There are 45 vaccine candidates currently in Phase 1-3.
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This is what happens when you “chicken little” Sherkan. Relax dude
Peanuts cause adverse reactions in numerous people. Why haven’t peanuts been put on a federal ban? Difficulty breathing, hives, wheezes, anaphylactic shock...not treated early enough....DEATH!! Peanuts KILL!!
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@NR - it's best to wait for an official diagnosis before offer your expert medical opinions about vaccines and adverse reactions. I didn't know you are both an Internet virologist and neurologist. Must be keeping pretty busy these days.
It is a big deal if the Oxford vaccine doesn't work out since there was a large investment in scaling up production so the vaccine would be available immediately upon approval. Probably over a billion dollars and they have probably already made millions of doses. Typically, one doesn't invest large sums UNTIL a vaccine or product has been approved by regulators. Investments were also made in the two other vaccines in Phase III trials. So, if there is a year or more delay because your top 3 candidates aren't safe and effective that is many lives that will be lost. I know this because I deal with this stuff every day.
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A single adverse reaction to a vaccine does not make it a “failed vaccine”. If a single “adverse reaction” makes it a failure, you can now argue the ban of peanuts. Not only can you argue the ban of peanuts, but you can then argue the ban of medications for the treatment of an allergic reaction to peanuts. An “adverse reaction” to both epinephrine and benadryl is death. So now, we have to ban peanuts, epinephrine and benadryl based off the OP’s reasoning of a singular adverse reaction to a single drug
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@Quat If you actually followed the information closely, you would know I didn't make a preliminary diagnosis, the experts have. And this was a SECOND case of someone with symptoms of transverse myelitis. Not the first one. The first case happened earlier in a patient later diagnosed with multiple sclerosis per STAT, so it was deemed unrelated. This second case needs to play out to see if the preliminary diagnosis sticks or if something else is in play. This fits exactly with what I have stated up to this point.
It was foolish to invest so much in vaccines so early because the typical pattern of vaccines is most don't work out. Why would we have expected anything different for coronavirus? I would not try to salvage a vaccine that isn't looking effective or safe because we spent foolishly. That would also be foolish.
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We are clearly rushing things way too fast. Not because there was an adverse effect -- that was to be expected -- but because most vaccines will fail, and our system locked into rewarding 3 vaccines way too early.
File under "too big to fail" all over again.
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The silver lining is 7 vaccines have made it to phase 3. And statistically speaking, 40% of vaccines that make it to phase 3 make it. So we will likely get 3 vaccines out of the 7. It probably won't be the three we stupidly bet on though.
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What illustrates rushing?
Another idiot who knows nothing of medical science and clinical trials.
Putting all of you assets on a project means you have the ability to move more quickly in research. It goes as fast as the genetic trail allows you. And this project began with a huge cache of data. The job is to tweak already available concepts - not starting at ground zero.
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You guys are finally figuring out Fishy's "smartest scientist in the world" act. 
The guy is no idiot but he's definitely an epic fail
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Here's the bottom line:
OP loves bringing the gloom, the more people dying the better cause it's all DJT's fault anyway
Fishy thinks he should be in charge of the CDC, NIH & HHS all at the same time
In a global pandemic, you fight with the weapons you got even if they're not perfect
Plasma, dexamethasone, HCQ, tocilizumab, whatever
There's nothing unusual or rushed about this Phase 3
Shit happens in trials
Next!
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Btw, heard that it was Dumb Doofy got the myelitis
That's why he's been AWOL
Thank you cards may be sent directly to
Astrazeneca
Covid 19 trials
Gracie Mansion
NY, NY
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"The job is to tweak already available concepts - not starting at ground zero."
Of course, and all the vaccines that are in phase 3 are doing that. It's just that we invested too quickly in project warp speed by upscaling production of (and the money that's spent in doing so) 3 out of 7 of them, and we easily could have guessed on the wrong 3. That's called rushing.
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Whatever you say, EL Presidente.
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If your 40% is accurate, then 1 should be a winner....possibly 2
Math is science too.
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You still do not understand how this shit works. It is all about data, collecting it, sharing it then using it to make changes as you go.
You always invest most in protocols that have most promise. Nobody else is lacking anything - the data is shared so whoever runs their trials, etc. best will be looked at first. When the target changes or outcomes negative you fucking pivot with the data you gathered.
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That sounds more like a general statement about business than an answer to the specific problem of waste I brought up.
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Predicted BIO-weapon Release Years Ago: Learn Whats Next
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I guess what you can help me understand is if you have a bunch of vaccines, and 3 are clearly at the most advanced stage of development, why is it good to go all out on the top 3 and even invest in bringing the product to the buyer before you see all the safety and efficacy data on these top 3? Wouldn’t you want to invest only in the 3 phases of development? I guess if you were trying to rush things out you would do it this way, but it’s so hasty and wasteful because we know a priori most vaccine products don’t end up working.
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Here's a look at other vaccines out there, aside from the top 3, and how scientists are trying to get their vaccine developed without being part of operation warp speed.
An interesting one is an intranasal vaccine, which should end up giving strong immunity inside airways, which is important in a disease that works particularly there.
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oops. fail. Here's the link.
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It's more like you want a system where you can hedge your bets rather than invest fully in only 3 candidates when the success rate is low.
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nr, please go back and play with your car, kit.
Every response you make is confirming what a nutjob you are...
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We are all going to die. Sorry. Well... not really.
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By the way... I have it on good authority that the adverse reaction was actually accelerated toe nail growth. The damage caused to shoes, socks, pantyhose and breadsticks makes the vaccine 💉 not cost effective.
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Yes, let's all celebrate that a vaccine is put on hold.....
Damn, people are pretty fucked up when they seemingly jump for joy when a killing virus can last a little longer.
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When Regan gave the Vaccine manufactures a free pass against future lawsuits you can afford to rush them to market since you have a grant of immunity from them.
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Let’s celebrate that incompetence and a rushed job was thwarted because it was more stunt than actual solution.
There other versions of the vaccine that seem to be following proper medical protocol.
So yay for getting medicine done right.
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I forgot you idiots try and politicize medicine lol.
How did it work last time you guys were developing a therapy?
Oh that's right, you just read articles and think you understand it
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+1 
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