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One thing to note is that it's very easy for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to give whatever result they want. The prosecutor has complete discretion as to what evidence a grand jury gets to see. So if the prosecutor has a strong case and really wants to proceed to trial, they can get that result. Conversely, if the prosecutor has a strong case, but doesn't want to go to trial, they can withhold evidence from the grand jury and get that result as well.
So in the case of police misconduct, it's very, very easy for a prosecutor (who works hand in glove with the police on almost everything), to avoid a trial if that's what they want to do.
As a part of police reform, having an independent investigator and prosecutorial system would be a necessary step forward. Grand juries in cases such as this are just another way for justice to be denied.
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I saw the AG’s news conference also, and I don’t recall him saying it was the wrong address. I may have missed something but I don’t think I missed that part.
If you could link to that I’d appreciate it. There has been so much going back and forth about this case I’d really like to see facts rather than just rumors spreading on social media.
GE you are correct, if someone came busting into your home in the middle of the night you should be prepared to defend yourself. By the same token, if you know that the police, or anyone for that matter, are coming into your house you may not want to shoot at them when your girlfriend is in the hallway between the two of you.
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I applaud you for opening a dialogue on this subject and hope you are indeed open to feedback. Some of the facts you listed are either NOT factual or are misleading/immaterial.
"It was not a "no knock" warrant."
It WAS a no knock warrant. It says so right on the warrant. A photo of the warrant is linked below.
"The police knocked loudly (enough to wake up neighbors on both sides)"
Yes they did. No one is claiming they didn't knock and knock loudly. What is being claimed is that they did not adequately identify themselves as police. Twelve witness were interviewed, all of them said they didn't hear the police identify themselves. Only after a 3rd interview did one witness change his story. All of the remaining 11 witnesses maintain they heard no such identification.
"The man shoots the police officer in the leg (He admitted he fired first)"
This is true. However, it is important to note that Kenneth Walker (Breonna Taylor's boyfriend) had no idea that he was a police officer when he fired. Police tend to take very, very seriously when cops are shot or even shot at. It is illegal to knowingly shoot at or attack a police officer. Walker was never prosecuted for knowingly shooting at police. There were no drugs in the house or anything else illegal so he had no reason to fear the cops. Walker is not a criminal (or a drug dealer as has been mistakenly reported by some outlets...). He has a concealed carry permit for the weapon he owns and called 911 immediately after the incident. All of these facts point to him having no idea the people busting his door down were cops.
"Although, Breonna was shot multiple times, one shot was fatal."
Perhaps true, but so what? What is more important was that no one rendered any care to her for an estimated 20 minutes and she bled out on the floor. She was unarmed and was shot 7 times. If 3 cops are entering and one gets immediately shot in the leg, why not retreat and identify yourself instead of firing your weapons indiscriminately into the apartment killing an innocent, unarmed woman as well as endangering Kenneth Walker and their neighbors? The most obvious answer is they didn't value very highly the lives of the people inside...
"Bullets fired by the officer outside of the apartment went through the wall into the apartment behind Breeona's where 3 people were sleeping."
True, and that officer was charged with reckless endangerment. And yet, the seven bullets that entered Breonna Taylor's body did more than just endanger her, they killed her. That's reckless something, right? But no charges.
"The family was paid $12,000,000 because of the tragic error of going to the wrong location and Breonna's terrible and unfortunate death that resulted from that error."
This completely immaterial.
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The gist of this story is dont get involved with drug dealers and let them use your home address, car and phone as their own. Back to back drug dealing boyfriends so what y'all think was gonna happen? It is what it is
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Here is what justice for Breonna Taylor would look like for me.
1. New legislation that would make it easier to hold police officers accountable for dereliction of duty.
2. Create an independent investigatory and prosecutorial system for police involved crimes.
3. Reform police union contracts that bury reports of previous misconduct, abuse and unnecessary use of force (deadly or otherwise).
4. Improve training in de-escalation and engagement such that all lives are treated as equally precious.
5. Root out racist and sadistically abusive police officers. Let's truly fulfill the moniker of a "City's Finest".
6. Take some police funding and put it towards drug abuse prevention/treatment, the hiring of mental health specialists/domestic unrest specialists to assist on such calls (police have been asking for this for years now), and funding for housing the homeless (police have been asking not to have to go on homeless calls for years as well). This will not only reduce crime rates, but also free up cops handle more important matters while limiting the possibility for violent police action occurring during non-violent situations.
Breonna is dead and her death is a result of institutional failure. Poor training. Racial misconceptions (like feeling more threatened by black people than white people). Sloppy cut-and-paste warrants. Use of force policies that value the lives of the police waaaaay more than the lives of others.
Kentucky law, as currently written, made it very difficult to charge these officers. Maybe that needs to be updated as well, but ultimately whether they're charged or not isn't going to bring her back. So, for me, justice would be taking the necessary steps to make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else.
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"The gist of this story is dont get involved with drug dealers and let them use your home address, car and phone as their own. Back to back drug dealing boyfriends so what y'all think was gonna happen?"
Kenneth Walker, Breonna Taylor's current boyfriend, was not a drug dealer. You can look it up. In fact, I'll link an article from the Washington Post that corrects a lot of the misinformation that is floating around out there about his case.
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That's kind of you, GE. It's not just me, though. There are a lot of us out there.
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You can shoot first in Kentucky. It is different in California though, so don't go gettin' any ideas!
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Regardless of the law, even if it were legal for him to shoot, it was a horrible decision to do so when she was in the line of fire. At the end of the day, until the evidence is presented where everyone can see it, very few people are going to change their opinion on this case. Sadly, even in the face of evidence, most will still cling to what they’ve heard because it’s what they want to believe happened. And just for the sake of really pissing people off, there are tons of people out there all claiming to have evidence one way or the other on this case. As of right now, they haven’t released any of that to the public. Everything any of us are forming an opinion on is based on second or third hand information, or worse.
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Manslaughter
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Bottom line. End the failed ‘war on drugs’ and the for profit prison system and so many of the tragedies will be eliminated.
Nick.
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So let me get this straight.
- The police have a no-knock warrant signed by a judge.
- They knock loudly (not required) before entering and announce themselves "POLICE."
- A resident grabs a gun, fires at the officers and hits one of them.
- The police return fire, and unfortunately, a resident who is an innocent bystander, is killed.
- And people want the officers sent to prison and convicted of murder.
QUESTION: Do you want the officer with the bullet in his leg to go to prison too???
Unbelievable the lack of common sense that permeates our society in the 21st century!
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I dont buy "we have to break in because the drug s can be flushed or whatever" If its that small of an amount why the over the top swat technique?
Home invaders have announced themselves as police countless of times. The shooter is "clean" and has no expectation of police breaking down the door. He did exactly what he need to do and I would do the same thing. Yes I think all the cops should be charged with negligent manslaughter
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BTW,
This is what it will look like when you put Dr. Spock educated people in charge of policing and law enforcement, defund the police, and disarm them:
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If the cops that were on scene followed protocol (except the one firing blindly into the apt), they can’t be charged. The ones who issued the warrant for the wrong address should be charged with something. Just my thoughts
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Yellow,
Unfortunately it looks like you have oversimplified the description of this case and gotten one thing wrong.
There is very little evidence that says they announced themselves as police before entering and a lot of evidence that says they didn't. In fact, only one witness says he heard it while 11 other witnesses say they didn't. And the one witness who says he heard them say "police" originally said he didn't but changed his testimony in his 3rd interview. Whether they did or didn't, the behavior of Kenneth Walker (the man who shot once at the officers as they entered) is completely consistent with someone who was unaware they were police.
There was gross negligence at many steps of the way in this case. The police and the system completely fucked up.
1. The no knock warrant issued by the judge was illegal.
2. The occupants weren't even the targets of the investigation
3. The people under investigation were already in custody
4. The occupants' status in the investigation had been downgraded to "soft targets" meaning there was no need to enter the premises.
5. One shot was met with over 30 return rounds, 7 of which entered an unarmed woman's body. She was reportedly not medically attended to for 20 minutes and bled out on the floor.
And this list goes on.
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Breonna Taylor is an EMT and dates Glover, a well known drug dealer with two trap houses
-In 2016 Breonna rents a car in her name, later it was found abandoned with a dead body inside, the brother of one of Glover's associates
-Police question her, Glover is there, and she said she let Glover borrow the car and didn't know who the victim was. She gives detectives her phone number, the same phone number that Glover would use for his drug dealings until Feb. 2020.
-As a result of her implication in that case, she gets fired from her EMT job
-They break up
-She starts dating someone named Walker
-She gets new EMT job
-She's still seeing Glover on the side in 2020, not sure if sexual/friends with benefits, or if Walker knows
-Glover uses her car to visit the trap houses, one of which was under police surveillance
-Glover drove his own car(red Dodge Charger) to her place multiple times, verified by photos and tracker that police put on his car
-Glover and his associate are arrested for a string of charges
-While in jail, Glover calls Breonna and someone else and talked about how Breonna has his 18k/8k and is "taking care of his finances", not realizing that jail phone calls are all recorded
-Breonna bails Glover and his associate out of jail
-Detective claim that drug packages were dropped off at her address and said postmaster confirmed it, but later the postmaster disputed that claim
-Regardless, with the above claim as evidence plus additional police surveillance evidence and phone recordings detectives suspect Breonna to be hoarding the money for Glover for drug dealings and drugs and presented the evidence and obtained a no knock warrant from a judge. They also obtain warrants for the two trap houses.
-No knock warrant for her turned into a knock warrant
-Around midnight in March 13?, 2020 plainclothes(!) police perform a warrant to search Breonna's apartment. Her name and address was on the warrant(previous media mistakenly reported that police had the wrong apartment).
-Police say they knocked and announced themselves, 1 witness agreed, 11 other witnesses disagreed. Walker says that they knocked but did not announce themselves.
-Walker and Breonna woke up to the knocking. Walker grabbed a gun and he and Breonna are in the hallway. Walker claimed that Breonna asked "who dat". It is at this point that it's unsure whether Walker knows about Breonna's involvement in the drug dealing with Glover. Walker claims that he thought it was a gangbanger invading.
-What happened next is a bit iffy: police was in the process of breaking the door down when Walker, not knowing that it was the police, fired a shot through the door and hit an officer in the leg.
-Upon being fired on, 3 officers proceed to shoot dozens(40+) of shots in response, some hitting other apartments, but hitting Breonna 6 times(1 lethal, 5 nonlethal). Walker was unhurt, inciting rumors that he used Breonna as a shield.
-Police did not find any drugs or money in her apartment.
-Glover was arrested that same night elsewhere without incident
- At least one officer had a bodycam on him, but it was an outdated model and wasn't on. Narcotics division has different rules for requirements for bodycams
-Media freaks out about some innocent EMT who was purely sleeping when she was killed by police storming the wrong apartment. Induces outrage about police racism and brutality. We all know those facts are now wrong.
-Glover posted 50k bail then escaped and is still a fugitive.
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Breonna"s family received justice in the 12 million dollars that was received.
The cop firing wildly, was charged also.
The problem here is not necesarily the police officers who served the warrant. but the procedures, the officers are directed to use for serving warrants is flawed. (except for the officer discharging the weapon wildly).
What should happen is a panel should be formed made up of police professionals and citizens of the community.
That panel should go thru the procedures for carrying out warrants as well as review what happened with Breonna.
They should then create new procedures to prevent incidents like what happened to Breanna from happening again, without compromising, the Police ability to serve warrants.
Officers should be retrained and if need be given new equipment to carry out this task
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"QUESTION: Do you want the officer with the bullet in his leg to go to prison too???"
Would you be asking this question if the unarmed woman shot 7 times by police who mistakenly and illegally busted down her door was your sister? Or your daughter?
The officer is alive. Taylor is dead. Is that really the most important question to be asking right now?
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Taylor is dead cuz she got involved with drug dealing parasite Jamarcus Glover and she let him use her home address, car, phone as his own. It is what it is
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So, I appreciate you are trying to have an open discussion. Unfortunately, some trolls here say some of the dumbest sh*t ever.
1 None of the officers were wearing body cameras. WHY NOT? Why is there NO video of this tragedy? incompetence is not acceptable. An entire team of cops were on site, and not ONE of them thought to have a body camera on. Doesn't that sound a little suspicious to you?
2 Why was a search warrant issued on a woman's home that had NEVER been in trouble with the law. She knows a drug dealer some of you will say. Guess What!!! Me too!! Are cops coming to break in my house because I might know a guy that knows a guy?
3 The cops admitted Ms Taylor was a 'soft target'. Why are they busting down her door late at night if she was not the primary target? Now she is dead. smh..
4. The judge gave a 'No Knock' warrant under the assumption Ms. Taylor was dangerous and her house was being used to store or sell drug. None of this was true. Cops need to investigate seriously before they put people in harms way.
So 12 million for a life. I wouldn't think it was fair if it were someone I cared about. But, I think the judge should be removed and whoever brought the warrant to the judge need to be reprimanded. Also, we need serious reform in every part of the justice system.
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See! Dumb ass here says knowing a drug dealer can get YOU killed! LMAO.
I guess Einstein here never met anyone like that. Or he's too f*ing stupid to know there are prolly drugs in his neighborhood. Maybe someone in his family knows someone that sells? Get more caskets ready if that is how we are going to police our streets. Sheesh!
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^^^you're too emotional. Get it together
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You guys ignored my question.
What would justice look like in this situation? Who should go to jail?
The cop who believed he was legally serving a search warrant, who was shot and returned fire?
The other cop who shot at who shot his partner?
The cop that screwed up the warrant?
The cop who shot Willy nilly and appears to have not hit anything except the neighbor’s apartment?
I agree this is a TERRIBLE thing... but who should go to jail?
I’m asking you all.... what should justice look like here?
I’m not saying the AG made the right decision... I’m just saying based on the evidence shared... who should go to jail.
I understand the emotion of it all... but what is the answer?
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Not all of you.
J502... thank you for your response.
The AG said it was not a “no knock” warrant.
Here is my ONLY point. There are cries for “Justice for Breonna.”
I agree... this shouldn’t have happened.
I just don’t know what Justice looks like here. That is why I am asking.
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Junior
1 body cams are not mandatory nor do every department have or use them
2. Never being in trouble means zip. She was heard on jail house phone tap admitting to storing money and drugs for glover
3. Again means nothing and they changed it to knock which is why the cops knocked and announced.
4. Just because someone hadnt been dangerous in the past doesnt make the situation not dangerous.
You know nothing about police procedures
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GE... sorry if I disappointed you... but I’m trying to look at this objectively.
And all “accidents” can’t be judged the same. A sleepy or drunk driver that kills someone is a little different than someone who is doing their job n a responsible way... in a way they were trained to do it and someone gets hurt or killed.
If the officers who shot Brionna were negligent in the way they carried out their job... I’m all for them being prosecuted.
I don’t know everything about this case. I just watched the news conference and asked the question... what should justice look like?
IF... the police in old were acting within their duties policies and training... should they be prosecuted?
Could one answer be (as mentioned above) part of justice being that policies that foster these moments be changed. But that can’t be the end of the question... it has to continue to... changed to what?
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@ tacobandit
Ur a dumbass too. HAHA
Do you think ANYONE you know might know someone that sells or uses drugs? Umm, check again Sherlock.
So, she never sold anything and was only guilty by association. That was her crime!! Worth a no-knock warrant? If U don't get that, I'll see you at the next funeral.
mic drop bitches! jr out!
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@Goddess.Euphoria
Some folks try to justify brutality by concocting a narrative to fit their biases. Cops kill innocent people and somehow it's OK.
Now, in a few weeks, these same NRA, gun toting mofos will be on here talking about how they have the right to defend themselves with deadly force. And , they will argue, that Stand Your Ground laws means they can use a gun if they feel threatened.
ps.. just keepin it 100. I love my guns and I would use them if someone starts breaking into my house unannounced.
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I don't think there are easy answers here. The officers that arrived at the apartment thought that they came to the right place under investigation, so their actions, even though the consequences were terrible, were understandable. How could you throw them into prison when this was indeed the case?
Sometimes a tragedy is a tragedy without any easy answers. Throwing the officers into prison seems more like vengeance than justice to me.
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Junior you are a moron. She wasnt guilty by association she was guilty by fucking admitting to it on aidio tap you dumb fuck
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