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BTW... as mentioned, we have no idea what evidence the AG left out of his statement.
So... we don’t know what we don’t know.
I only say that because I am open to more information.
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There were multiple warrants issued for different addresses and each were executed around the same time.
Breonna's name was on the warrant for address. The main reason was Jamarcus Glover continuously used her address as his own.
Stating that they went to the wrong address is factually incorrect.
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Thanks for clearing that up
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There are a several errors in the reporting of this issue.
1. Breonna was asleep. (not true)
She was standing in the hallway with Kenneth.
2. Breonna was currently an EMT (not true)
She was terminated in 2017 because a person was murdered inside of a car she rented. Jamarcus Glover was connected to that crime in some manner.
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I have heard that before, but have not seen ANY proof of it. Not that her employment status has any bearing on this. To me this is just another example of all the wrong/misleading information that is swirling around about this. I have heard she was fired because of the dead guy in the car, and I have also heard that she had just come that night from working as an EMT. It would seem that the correct one should be easy enough to prove, and I don’t see how they both can be true.
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I'm only pointing out that the media has made it a point to cast her in an angelic light.
Her death is a tragedy.
However, she was clearly involved with Jamarcus Glover in shady practices.
Here is a link to the Louisville PD investigation report on Breonna Taylor complete with photos surveillance evidence, etc. I would assume this is why a judge signed off on a warrant for HER apartment in connection with warrants for others as well.
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Kudos to KS and j502 for thoughtful, insightful responses.
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The msm is always spreading BS information, so to get the libtards fired up. If you can not see this, you are definitely a LIBTARD.. Just sayin...
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"Kudos to KS and j502 for thoughtful, insightful responses."
Thanks brother.
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They are so peaceful tho.
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This jackass can kill a horse in the name of! and get rich on go fund me!
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I was there in 1992, you drove through angry mobs trying to drag you out your car or else end up like that Denny dude that died a cripple.
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"J502,
1st. Thank you for answering the question. I believe all of your responses are thoughtful, reasonable and can be carried out.
Her death being the result of institutional failure cannot be denied.
2nd. I noticed what you didn’t include as “justice.” The officers in this instance being prosecuted, convicted and sentenced. (I don’t mean that as a gotcha in any way)
Is there a reason those things weren’t included?
I seem to agree with you on everything. Maybe you can help clarify my thinking on that as well."
On not including prosecution of the officers involved, part of the reason is that shipped has sailed. The other part is far more justice can be brought about by sweeping reforms.
The system, as currently constructed, is designed to not jail police officers when shit like this happens while in the line of duty, no matter how poorly the job was executed. The system fails to protect or bring justice to black people BY DESIGN. So in that sense, the system is working perfectly.
Here's one example. The grand jury set up allows prosecutors to show (or not show) any evidence they want. So if the prosecutor doesn't want an indictment brought by the grand jury, they can basically guarantee that outcome. Avoiding trial is key to keeping cops from ever being prosecuted. Once it goes to trial, it gets a lot tougher to bury evidence.
Should the officers have been charged in my estimation? Based on all the evidence I know about, it sure seems like excessive and undue force was used and Breonna Taylor died as a result. Quite simply, Ms. Taylor's life didn't matter to these particular officers. One shot was returned with well over 30 shots, 7 of which entered an unarmed black women's body, killing her.
We can debate whether these officers should be prosecuted for negligent homicide or whatever, but even if they got convicted, it wouldn't do as much as the reforms I mentioned. So, for me, those reforms would serve to bring about much more "justice" for Breonna than prosecutions would.
I hope that explains my thinking.
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"BTW... as mentioned, we have no idea what evidence the AG left out of his statement.
So... we don’t know what we don’t know.
I only say that because I am open to more information."
We actually do have access to a lot of evidence that was left out of the AG's statement. What he put out in his press conference was designed to justify his decision so it left out a lot. The AG could release the transcript of the grand jury testimony. That would tell us what the grand jury did and did not hear.
The AG stated they had one corroborating witness saying they announced themselves as police. He failed to mention that that one witness originally said he didn't hear them announce it and later changed his story in his 3rd interview. We don't know what kind of pressure the police applied, if any, to get this witness to change their story.
The AG also failed to include that all 11 other witnesses swear to NOT hearing the police announce themselves
The AG also left out that the officers were in plain clothes and not in uniform.
There is other evidence that was left out. It's out there if you want to find it.
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pretty incredible though how the media spins the hell out of it to spur these actions
I didn't know much about the case a while back...the only thing that i heard?? maybe a few weeks after the Floyd case...we were going over the unarmed black people getting killed? see the thread
again I spent no time looking at it...BUT what was in my head??? - cops busted into the wrong home and killed a girl...maybe in her bed??
leaving the topline news like that? " SAY HER NAME" becomes a growing chant and reason to activate BLM activists
does this death still count as an unarmed black person killed by police? technically? but they were shot at and wounded? if you were a cop there? what do you do?
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was the boyfriend shot? not sure how that happens if he wasn't and she was multiple times without a weapon? I'm sure that will come out in the new court case for all the errant bullets
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“The system, as currently constructed, is designed to not jail police officers when shit like this happens while in the line of duty, no matter how poorly the job was executed. The system fails to protect or bring justice to black people BY DESIGN.” -J502
I’m with everything up until “by design.”
This was an extreme systemic failure (and continues to be). The system is constructed to protect officers even when they do their job poorly. The system fails to protect or bring justice to many black people, that is a clear reality. It surely impacts people of color disproportionately, ...but not exclusively. There is no debating the pure numbers.
That it is designed to do that, is a bridge too far for me. It’s the application of the design... not the design itself. It protects police. (And it usually should). Which is why I agree there should be an outside agency/outside jurisdiction investigatory system in place. The problem is, figuring out who can do that. The FBI (who investigates civil rights violations) naturally seem to have a bias towards law enforcement.
Like a gun, the system and the policing of the system, depends on who is holding it... and who it is pointed at.
As long as “people” are running it, prejudice, bias and blind spots will exist... usually to the detriment of blacks, browns and whites without the resources to fight and/or make people care.
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politics and agendas hurt potential reforms to make things a little better
at this point? it's about getting the bad orange man out of office
black man tim scott had some fixes? offered 20amendments to get it to the floor, BUT wasn't enough for the pelosi left. they want to put shit in there that would kill law enforcement...people would not sign up to be a cop with those types of things the lib/left wanted
Rand put up a bill for NO KNOCK warrants. don't know much about it...personally, though, I think some NO KNOCKS serve a valuable purpose...maybe not in this case with low-level drug action...they are too dangerous in almost all circumstances...so need to be reserved for the most serious shit
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I agree. “No Knock” has to be an available option... but only in unique/rare situations.
I don’t presume to know enough to decide the adequate criteria.... but people who deal with these issues (on both sides) should really get to work.
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i think the big paydays when shit goes wrong can help them fix some shit...only so many of those can happen and there is not enough money...they will be forced to do it
she got 12m plus what might be coming for her family
floyd family will get 20m plus?
those are natural deterrents to keeping shit the way it is...cities will revamp shit fast
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Lets call it what it is ...people say JUSTICE...but what they want is REVENGE...she is dead and that is tragic, but no Justice is going to satisfy anyone, even to and including execution
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Of course people want revenge, those who are sick and tired of this chicken shit want blood.. and we can call them animals, but i clearly see that any human being with their back against the wall, will become an animal... recently an autistic boy was shot damaging his kidneys intestine and bladder from a 911 call his mother made about him having an "episode".. kid was 13 years old.. another 17 year old shot in the head for running away and reaching for his waist band as he was lifting his shorts.. the list goes on.. my best bro died last year while putting his hands up.. didn't put em up fast enough... he'll yes we want revenge the very same way they want revenge when they loose one of theirs... is there anything wrong with that? Because if there is we must heavily criticize the lapds actions when they were searching for chris dorner.. and for the record, a court settlement doesn't prove any one innocent.. it just means the charges were dropped. Like the case with my bro.. police departments don't pay million dollar settlements to people who don't have a case. The million dollars in his moms pocket, and the cop who is still working after his 4th shooting (can't speak on the other situations), speaks volumes... end qualified immunity
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Do All Black lives matter?
Or is it just the those killed by the police that can be politicized to support a broader agenda?
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California penal code 198.5:
Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
So if someone breaks into my home, the State of California presumes my life is in peril giving me the right to end whosever’s life that is.
Two to the body, one to the head. Just make sure their body falls inside your home and not the threshold.
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I’m going to say it and I know people won’t like it but I don’t give a shit. She shouldn’t have been living in an apartment where known drug dealers including her boyfriend were SEEN entering and exiting her apt. That apt was one of 4 in the city that were under surveillance. It’s a tragic loss of life but she had the power to change it.
Boyfriend shot at the cops 1st.... cop had every fucking right to return fire! Period!
Do your research and get the facts before these uninformed idiots burn burn down their city.
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J502... thanks for the responses. Appreciate the insights.
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Pretty good article with a lot of detail.
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i think i heard the police chief in detroit say to release the info? I like that guy...he's been thru two major riots in detroit and LA....has detroit humming when everyone else is sucking
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“I really just like dislike the people think that because someone breaks the law or makes bad choices that it is okay for bad things to happen them…”
I think few people are saying it’s “Okay.”
I think many people think that when you are involved in the seedier parts of life... it’s not surprising when bad things happen.
My sister was involved in that lifestyle... indirectly. She was beaten to death because the person directly involved had something of value.
Was it horrible? Yes. Was it tragic? Yes. Was it surprising? Not completely. When you run in those circles... bad things can happen.
Is it ‘Okay?” No. Is it understandable yes.
We often think this (fill in the blank) isn’t a big deal... until something happens and it is.
This kind of thing can happen to n innocent person... anywhere. But the odds are increased when depending on your environment and close relationships.
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Hey hit man thanks for the link
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Sorry,
But the odds are increased depending on your environment and close relationships.
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GE... you are right... but you are using the word “deserve.”
I wasn’t saying deserve. Granite didn’t... and I don’t think he meant deserve.
I have a nephew that is involved in illegal activity. I will not get in a car with him. He is invited to family functions... but most of our extended family do not visit his home. And we would not let him use our addresses for anything. We like him. We love him... but we want to stay far away from anything he is involved in.
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Actually the person responsible for the whole thing is the boyfriend.
The facts are:
1) The police had a warrant. Which her name was on. - not a 'no knock warrant'. That means a judge believed that the evidence that the police presented was compelling enough to issue the warrant.
2) The police served the warrant, i.e. Did their job.
3) They knocked on the door and announced themselves. It WASN'T the wrong address.
4) After no response from inside they decided to breech the front door.
5) After breaching the front door they saw the boyfriend with a gun and in a 'shooters' pose.
6) The boyfriend shot ... FIRST, which he admits to, and the sergeant was hit. At which time he returned fire - getting off 6 rounds. The other cops on the scene shot as well, expending a total of 16 rounds.
7) In the course of that fire fight she was hit several times.
8) All of it could have been avoided if
a) The boyfriend had not been holding a gun and prepared to fire on police when they first breached the front door.
 Just raised his hands and surrendered. He knew he was going to prison so why fight it? What's that going to accomplish?
c) Breonna Taylor had made better decisions.
A tragedy? Absolutely! But the fact is, she put herself in that position by being with a violent drug dealer.
Putting cops in jail who did nothing wrong doesn't fix anything.
So you have to ask yourself - Do you want the truth?
Or do you just want to hear whatever fits your narrative even though the narrative is completely wrong?
Because that's what the protests, riots and calls for justice for her are - A narrative that's completely wrong.
Atticus Finch
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Wrong boyfriend.
Try again
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@Atticus Not exactly.
The boyfriend didnt know who was breaking into the house, they just knew someone was breaking in.
11 witnesses said they DID NOT hear the police announce themselves, 1 witness changed his story and said he heard the police announce themselves. Guess which witness they went with?
Thats why the charges against the boyfriend were dropped, because he legitimately had the right to open fire.
Also, why was the DA offering the ex boyfriend a plea bargain if he stated that Breonna Taylor was part of the criminal enterprise? Because they wanted to justify the shooting.
Also, why wasnt the post incident report filled out? Whenever there's a shooting, the officers are required to fill out a statement. The report's blank.
Lastly, I agree with Barkley and Shaq in that this isnt the same as George Floyd, or Arbery, and that the officers were justified in returning fire, but, its still a fucked up situation with shitty execution. At least they got rid of the no knock warrants, which is what caused this whole situation.
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