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Locked. No further comments permitted.Tonight’s debate made me sad
Sep 29 2020 09:20PM more by KaiserSoce
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In a country of 330 million people...

These two are the best we have?

Biden isn’t the problem. Trump isn’t the problem. They are just symptoms of the stupidity of the Moronic stranglehold this two party system has on this country.

I thought maybe Trump would really be a disrupter and cause us to break the system.... but idiots on the right and left have just become even more intrenched.

We deserve whatever we get.
      
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Sep 29 2020 09:24PM     link to this

There is a woman running for office as a Libertarian who has an MBA and started multiple million dollar companies. She earned a PhD in Industrial organizational psychology and is a senior lecturer at Clemson University.

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Sep 29 2020 09:25PM     link to this

I knew that was coming.

Unfortunately... she has been frozen out.

And we let it happen.
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Sep 29 2020 10:06PM     link to this

KS

You are half correct in that we as voters deserve better than this, and this debate was a total disaster and that two party system may be to be blamed at.

However, I would hold Trump more responsible in creating chaos deliberately in this debate in order to interrupt Biden's argument to be heard.

It was Trump's usual tactic because he can not defend his 4 years of failure in our politics, other than blaming someone else.
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Sep 29 2020 10:14PM     link to this

We never have seen any of this bullshit until Trump became a president. No civility at all. and this is getting worse, because if Trump loses the election now, he may lose his entire business empire as well. That is what he is really concerned about.
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Sep 29 2020 10:15PM     link to this

Trump has no integrity.
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Sep 29 2020 10:21PM     link to this

awwww spongy.... you are trying to hard to be dick. I understand you hate the Donald.... but don’t let your hate for Trump blind you to the weakness of Biden. Trump was the bigger ass... but Biden did his best to keep up with him.

For guy who is “just here to troll”... you sure do use a LOT of words. Keep putting in those Troll hours.
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Sep 29 2020 10:26PM     link to this

"There is a woman running for office as a Libertarian who has an MBA and started multiple million dollar companies. She earned a PhD in Industrial organizational psychology and is a senior lecturer at Clemson University."

Don't know her position on COVID, and with all due respect, she has no chance to win. I'm sorry.
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Sep 29 2020 10:45PM     link to this

“However, I would hold Trump more responsible in creating chaos deliberately in this debate in order to interrupt Biden's argument to be heard.”

No doubt Trump was the bigger ass (at least in the 1/2 of the debate I watched)... but Trump only won the idiot contest by a field goal.

Are you happy 77 year old Joe is the best there is to go against 74 year old Donald?

Did you really watch the debate? Was there a single moment where you looked at Joe and went.... “Yeah! That’s my guy!” Or ... were there a few moments where you said, “Ok... that wasn’t that bad.”

After about 20 minutes, I was like... “Why am I watching this?”

Wallace lost control from the beginning.

Thank God I live in CA where the presidential race is already decided.

I can go to sleep and wake up January 21st.
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Sep 29 2020 10:45PM     link to this

KS, appardently you missed the memo that it's all on the Orange clown
At least according to our 3 sage opiners above.
As if Biden has accomplished anything at all in his 50 years as a paperweight until needed as the occasional hyper-partisan Bork interrogator.

Trump is a symptom of a pseudo-intellectual elite governing the uneducated rubes, DJT is the result of 8 years of Obama. Not surprising given that America is almost always looking for an unknown hero to save the day. Who'd ever heard of Carter, Clinton or Obama 2 years before they won?

Trump was known but nevertheless, a dark horse candidate sure to lose.....or so the pollsters said.
It's a sad day when someone so flawed is seen as necessary to clean up the mess we've created inside the DC beltway.


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Sep 29 2020 10:53PM     link to this

‘I have the time and you're nobody I would know or care enough about being a dick to lol“

You try to act like you don’t care.... but you show up regularly and type out long posts to display your apathy. OK.
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Sep 29 2020 11:10PM     link to this

Wasn’t a “too wordy snap”... it was a ... that’s a lotta words for a guy who says he doesn’t care.
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Sep 29 2020 11:21PM     link to this

"Keep putting in those Troll hours.'

You're one to talk. @KasierPermanente #Kaisersauce #Likesitballsdeep

I do agree with what you've said though. This may be the first and possibly the last time.
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Sep 29 2020 11:37PM     link to this

Yeah, 'ol man S'kump shit his pants tonight on national TV. Quality meltdown!
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Sep 30 2020 05:38AM     link to this

“I enjoy reading my comments more than yours, or anyone else's, so they're there for me to read MYSELF.”

That’s cool. It’s a new twist on the old line about mental illness.

It’s ok to talk to yourself.

It’s even ok to answer yourself.

But you know you’re in trouble when you ask, “What’d you say?”

If you blog to yourself, you never have ask, “What’d you say?”

Glad you have learned how to manage your disorder.






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Sep 30 2020 07:17AM     link to this

Amazing. This post begin about incivility… And look where it’s sunk. We elect who we are
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Sep 30 2020 08:40AM     link to this

"Proud Boys celebrate Trump’s ‘stand by’ remark about them at the debate."

So this is the headline today. It really speaks volumes to how low we sunk. Trump's debate tactics are similar to the trolls we have here. Extremists on both sides are tearing our Country to bits.
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Sep 30 2020 08:43AM     link to this

"Are you happy 77 year old Joe is the best there is to go against 74 year old Donald? "

We already know Joe is not a perfect person as we all are, but we still have to make a distinction between Trump and Biden is that the latter is trying to become a better public servant whereas the former is nothing but a self promoting capitalist whose interest resides only within himself, not for public good.

Trump never learned anything about what public servant means last four years, and only thing he did was to divide and conquer his voters with deception and lies.

After all as 2016 presidential election was all about branding effort to save his failing business empire.

We all remember his facial expression when he was announced as a elected president. He did not expect to win, that was his "oh shit" moment of his life.

He should have resigned a long time ago, not he can't because his entire business is at a stake.
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Sep 30 2020 08:46AM     link to this

The debates where pretty bad..

I think the debates took Trump out of his element. Trump is a show man and feeds of the crowd, You can see this by watching his previous debates and his rallies.

The other thing is Joe really did not have much of a plan but he did attack Trump some on the issues but alot of those attacks were cheap shots and Joe Biden also straight up lied and made false accusations about Trump and then moderator would not allow, Trump to respond to those lies and false accusations.

Furthermore the Moderation was clearly favored in Biden's direction. The moderator asked Trump to renounce White supremacist and right wing extremism????

This is not an issue in our nation and the violence and rioting is coming from the left, so why would the moderator frame the question in that manner, unless he was trying to play to a specific narrative

Voter fraud is a huge issue and Trump really was starting to tear into the isssue and the moderator just ended the Debate...

The moderation was bad and all you people who call Fox News conservative really need to reassess that.

Hannity and Ingram are conservative. Tucker is a libertarian and the Five is also mostly conservative except for Juan Williams.

The rest of Fox News however is not
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Sep 30 2020 08:51AM     link to this

^^ You can read, right?? ^^


"Proud Boys celebrate Trump’s ‘stand by’ remark about them at the debate."


This is why Trump was asked to denounce right wing nut jobs.

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Sep 30 2020 08:52AM     link to this

Why was biden wearing a wire? And the NYT called him out on his booming economy lie. They said it wasn't booming in 2016 because growth was less than 2% and they said the pandemic recession isn't Trump's fault. Biden was a rattled, strange, bumbling mess. Definitely needs more medication
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Sep 30 2020 08:56AM     link to this

Economy was decent in 2016 but not booming since 1.5% growth is not booming. Not even close. Biden needs to suck off chris Wallace cuz he rescued every time biden got rattled
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Sep 30 2020 09:02AM     link to this

"Hannity and Ingram are conservative. Tucker is a libertarian and the Five is also mostly conservative except for Juan Williams."

Fox news is nothing but propaganda agency. One of the more fair minded staff is Chris Wallace.

It was Roy Cohn's idea to setting up so called Conservatism propaganda channel Fox news by introducing his client Rupert Murdoch and Ronald Reagan, and of course, his another client Trump.

News channel credibility continually went down as Fox news became more popular among Republicans and Libertarians by promoting any news that fits their agenda.
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Sep 30 2020 09:05AM     link to this

@PA970deep

Your another handle is "Electric Lizard" right. Your comments does not contribute to anything at all.
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Sep 30 2020 09:10AM     link to this

My comment is fact based unlike your stupid ass. I have only 1 handle. You're trying too hard with your detective skills my boy
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Sep 30 2020 09:10AM     link to this

Hey Kaiser - we all know the problem, how about proposing some realistic solutions.

Biden may gaffe prone but nobody beats Eric Trump's "coming out" as gay on Fox. Biden stayed away from criticizing the Trump kids last night because making fun of the mentally challenged is going way to low.

It is one thing to embellish how well the economy performed when you were VP it is quite another to blatantly lie about the amount of taxes you paid. The freakin NY Times has his tax returns and the guy still can't tell the truth. He could have said, none of your fucking business or I carried over huge losses that reduced my tax bill in 2016 and 2017 but he just goes right to lying. How can you believe anything this lying SOB says? Trump makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.
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Sep 30 2020 09:15AM     link to this

I have to agree that deforestation in the Amazon Rain Forest is a significant problem, but the typical Democrat answer of throwing money at a problem indiscriminately is probably not the right answer. The Paris Agreement was just like the Kyoto Protocol. Neither were treaties ratified by the Senate. Obama and Clinton attempted to commit billions of tax dollars to foreign nations with no accountability. Bribing other nations to do the right thing does not have a good track record.

Maybe when we can control the burning of our own forests we can give other nations better advice.
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Sep 30 2020 09:18AM     link to this

The debate last nite gave me perfect clarity about the Presidential race. Biden is probably the last person I want to see as President except for the alternative who is a unhinged, pathetic, lying madman. If the debate last nite doesn't explain why so many competent folks have left the White House nothing will.

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Sep 30 2020 09:32AM     link to this

Fox News propaganda LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

they will be a liberal network in 5 years , there owned by Disney, the same company that owns ABC


The Proud Boys are not Right Wing extremist that is a lie.

The Proud Boys came into being because Antifa would go to colleges and intimidate and beat up people who would attend conservative meetings that would have speakers.

No one defended them so the Proud Boys was formed to do just that.

They basically oppose Antifa and there hate and facist attacks on people who oppose them.

Antifa have attacked old people wearing Maga hats and that is not considered a hate crime.

Proud Boys show up to protect people from ANtifa and there labeled a hate group..


The Left is full of lies and most of you buy into the Lies because you look to MSM and twitter for your talking points.

It's funny how the most Prominent white supremacist around Richard Spencer who was referred to as alt right, says he regrets backing Trump and has now thrown his support behind Biden. Not a single word about that in the MSM thou.

However If Richard Spencer had backed Trump it would have been front page news...

Trump also has had the KKK listed as a terrorist group but not a peep about that in the MSM either..

Antifa goes around burning down black neighborhoods, pretending to be BLM, but that's okay that is just peaceful protest..


I am sick of the Left, and many others are , Civil war is coming

the time for talk is just about over
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Sep 30 2020 09:46AM     link to this

The leader of proud boys is a Cuban American. How is that a white supremacist or a hate group? Antifa is almost all white. I've never seen a minority antifa only white leftist in skinny jeans with man buns lmao. And squatstopiss with the recycled stories again. 2016 playbook will somehow work in 2020 lol.
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Sep 30 2020 10:15AM     link to this

They should cancel all future debates between these two.
It looks like the Proud Boys are in line to be Trumps Brownshirts. In better times a president would be run out of office by failing to condemn white supremacy. And giving a high five to the Proud Boys. How low we have sunk.
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Sep 30 2020 10:20AM     link to this

It was a lay-up question for Trump. All he had to say was "I condemn extremism, hatred and violence whether from the left or the right". It is amazing he couldn't even utter this simple, canned statement.

Richard Spencer was just trollling Biden so I am glad it didn't get much press coverage. In 2018, Spencer, a notorious anti-semite, said he was a supporter of Israel. Spencer avidly supports all of Trump's policies so his endorsement of Biden makes no sense except as a troll. Of course, the Biden campaign told him to just fuck off.
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Sep 30 2020 10:41AM     link to this

Quat everything you said is bullshit

Richard Spencer is on the left now. Because the left's policies align with his views


troll my ass!!!!!!!!!!

antifa and white supremacist views are very similiar but MSM does not discuss this, I wonder why?????

there both racist

and the left is very racist

the left simply accuses the right of the very thing that they are , RACIST!!!!!

THE FOUNDERS OF THE KKK AND JIM CROW, THE DEMOCRATS

they have not changed just rebranded
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Sep 30 2020 10:52AM     link to this

Dick Spencer endorsed Joke Biden because the joke dawned over, worked with and wrote love letters to racist, segregationists senators like james eastland. And because he didnt want his kids going to school in a racial jungle with black kids.
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Sep 30 2020 12:10PM     link to this

debate didn't make me sad at all...in fact made want to go out and fukk some chick REALLY HARD Lol
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Sep 30 2020 12:16PM     link to this

I have no faith in the government. All of it.

There might be some good folks in there still left but they are far out numbered by the corrupt assholes.

Congress, especially, deserves to lose their jobs, all of them.


Lesser of 2 evils is not a real choice!


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Sep 30 2020 12:31PM     link to this

This year the lesser of two evils is an important choice.
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Sep 30 2020 01:47PM     link to this

I thought Trump was overbearing when he didn't have to be.
He could have made his points without continually interrupting Biden.
I hope he listens to his advisers for the next debate.

Pence should be able to take apart Harris in the VP debate
due in a few weeks.
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Sep 30 2020 01:57PM     link to this

I have fought with various family members, staunch Republicans who strongly support Trump, ever since he was elected. They were immovable in their positions until now. After the NYT article on Trump’s taxes was released, showing him to be a sham business man and susceptible to foreign influence because of his enormous debt, they are suddenly acknowledging that my criticisms have been accurate all along. Finally, progress is being made.

Trump’s performance last night should disappoint all Americans. It shows a man who is desperate to stay in power, likely because he will be prosecuted otherwise, and is willing to demean the office and our country’s image in the process. He needs to be removed from office so that our country can regain its image as a world leader. This is what we get for electing a reality show star to the most powerful position on earth: complete embarrassment.


@ PA970deep

I don’t know what happened to you to argue so fervently for such a dangerous clown, especially one who is against your own best interests (Trump’s refusal to denounce white supremacy groups should frighten you).

No one can make a fool change his beliefs, so there is no need to address your posts.
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Sep 30 2020 02:09PM     link to this

I agree Trump was a little over bearing and probably trying to confuse Joe.

Theres video on IG where appears to have been wearing a wire. Somebody feeding him answers?...

Key takeaways:

1) Biden called Antifa an "idea" not a terrorist org. Not sure why Wallace didnt point blank ask Joe to denounce Antifa.

2) Biden said he would shut down the economy *again* for COVID.

3) Biden completly avoided answering the question related to packing the courts.

4) Trump trounced Biden on Law & Order issues. Trump has the backing of law enforcement across the country. When Trump asked Biden to name one single law enforcement org that backs him Joe couldnt name anything.
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Sep 30 2020 02:10PM     link to this

^ joe was wearing a wire
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Sep 30 2020 02:20PM     link to this

Trump lied when he said that Portland’s sheriff endorsed him. The sheriff said he never supported Trump and never will.

Trump constantly lied throughout the debate. See the linked article.

Similarly, how do you argue with conservatives in these blogs who knowingly or unknowingly support their positions with lies/misinformation? You can’t.
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Sep 30 2020 02:34PM     link to this

@mildlyamusing is my bitch
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Sep 30 2020 02:38PM     link to this

This
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Sep 30 2020 02:39PM     link to this

Is
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Sep 30 2020 02:39PM     link to this

MAGA country
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