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rizzo
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Locked. No further comments permitted.Fact Checking the Debate
Oct 23 2020 03:30AM more by rizzo
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For those that are interested:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/factchecking-the-final-2020-presidential-debate/?fbclid=IwAR2lW6ZrCY4rHjjpFKBT7ptPs5xnjq6e2UCfkTlANl5CJyRaCDcDfdTsJ5E

      
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AFMadness
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Oct 23 2020 09:55AM     link to this

Truth is Stranger than Fiction.
jackrabbit33
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Oct 23 2020 11:24AM     link to this

"Facts" as documented and made available by the left loving big tech giants.

These are the same guys desperately squashing the Hunter Biden laptop story.

I dont want hear people talk about "fact checking" to be honest...
shadows
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Oct 23 2020 12:35PM     link to this

Fact checkers are biased against lies. It looks like they are against conservatives because conservatives lie so much.
rizzo
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Oct 23 2020 01:36PM     link to this

Your link goes to an article by Peter Roff - a staunch conservative. Of course he is going to claim bias against conservatives.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/peter-roff

Night-Rider
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Oct 23 2020 01:44PM     link to this

Roff's article is based on opinion, not fact. His bias is showing.
jackrabbit33
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Oct 23 2020 02:23PM     link to this

The so called "fact checkers" excercised by big tech are a blatant infringement of the 1st Amendment.

For someone to be in a position to suppress info or lock accounts because "they dont like what's being said" is tyranny.

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Night-Rider
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Oct 23 2020 02:30PM     link to this

^You don't educate people by giving them propaganda. That junk should be censored.
jazz51
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Oct 23 2020 02:34PM     link to this

Under the current situation, then Bob Woodward wouldn't have been able to post anything about Watergate, since initially there was nothing proven......
Night-Rider
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Oct 23 2020 02:37PM     link to this

^That's not true. Woodward and Bernstein used corroborating evidence and limited their scope until corroborating evidence confirmed what they heard from "deep throat."
Night-Rider
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Oct 23 2020 02:38PM     link to this

They didn't just come out and accuse the President of a crime and cover-up. It took a long time and hard work proving things to get to that point.
jazz51
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Oct 23 2020 02:40PM     link to this

We also have corroborating evidence, laptop and TWO people saying the emails are correct and true. That is certainly comparable evidence to what Bernstein and Woodard had initially.

We have social median and other media sources actually blocking, shutting down or refusing to even allow these reports to be shown.....
jazz51
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Oct 23 2020 02:41PM     link to this

But my point is that they were not squelched from publishing anything.
jazz51
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Oct 23 2020 02:42PM     link to this

We are at the worst place in our country's history... CENSORSHIP by media against the American people.

If you are not disgusted by this, you should depart this country immediately. You don't deserve to be here.
jazz51
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Oct 23 2020 02:44PM     link to this

If Facebook, Twitter, etc. can do this now, they can do it again..and maybe next time against your beliefs and even facts about Covid-19. It is all up to them.....and you and others are cheering them on....
jackrabbit33
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Oct 23 2020 02:48PM     link to this

So here's a counterpoint...

Ever since Trump was elected there have been numerous bullshit stories in the media...

The whole story around Russian Collusion was so widely spread by Adam Schiff, supported in the media, and even the FBI ran cover.

After the pathetic two years and waste of money that was the Mueller investigation isnt it the case that the media lied and should have censored the bullshit story.

Have they since gone back and corrected the "facts" with a declaration of "boy did we get that shit wrong?"

Did the media correct itself after putting the BS claims by Dr Ford on blast during the Kavanaugh appointment?.. no.. they never said "boy did we fuck that up..."

I could go on...




jazz51
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Oct 23 2020 04:41PM     link to this

Trump isn't censoring anything....you can't blame the rise of high tech on Trump and now they have control of all of us....they decide what you read and what you don't.

If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, you are an idiot
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Oct 23 2020 04:45PM     link to this

"And exactly who has been president for the last FOUR YEARS of this descent into mass censorship? "

Only Lebowski could say something that completely stupid.
jazz51
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Oct 23 2020 05:04PM     link to this

If reelected, you can bet he will be on a mission to remove the social media exemption from liability.

The Republicans already introduced a bill in September....
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flash911
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Oct 23 2020 07:43PM     link to this

Let's fact check it.

Stanford analysis of Joe Biden's policies. FTA:

As a result, the experts project that the policy agenda would, by 2030, lead to 4.9 million fewer jobs and the economy shrinking by $2.6 trillion. So, too, the study projects that consumption would be $1.5 trillion lower in 2030 and families would see a $6,500 drop in median household income compared to a neutral scenario.
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Oct 23 2020 08:20PM     link to this

@sam its obvious you don't understand the section 230 the fact that a media company acts to silence speech the become an editor and publisher thus acting outside the bounds of section 230. They want to publish? Go right ahead lose your protection from lawsuit and see how much money you have after Nick Sandman type cases wipe you out.
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Oct 23 2020 09:11PM     link to this

You are absolutely right section 230 is not the first amendment. Section 230 regulates what a platform can and cannot do. A platform cannot infringe ones freedom of speech otherwise it is considered a publisher.

Re read 3 times its accurate. Facebook or Twitter wants to silence speech you are correct they can but they can't cloak themselves in section 230 when they do that. They lose that protection ... stand by for retroactive lawsuits going back 20 years.
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Oct 23 2020 09:40PM     link to this

So.... am I being careful to avoid the old TOS standards for nothing?
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Oct 23 2020 10:31PM     link to this

Saddest part of this debate is the thought of anyone getting their news from Facebook or Twitter.
The vast majority of Americans are leading their lives of "quiet desperation" and couldn't give a fuck less about most politics.
You do realize that the twitterverse is an insignificant fraction of the total electorate? And, Facebook is all about vacation shaming your relatives.
Just look at this site with thousands of members, yet it's the same 7 or 8 of you all shouting past each other.

At least now, it's clear that we have 2 crooks running. Pretty soon, we'll have impeachments BEFORE the elections instead of after.
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Oct 23 2020 11:14PM     link to this

Interesting but irrelevant factoid.
Practically speaking, 100% have a phone but nobody can do an accurate poll anymore.
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Oct 23 2020 11:39PM     link to this

I haven’t read entire blog but seriously what’s the point.

How many times did the moderator try to interrupt Trump and then gave Biden a chance to refute... but when Biden made his point Trump had to insist on a reply... it was biased but not as bad as it usually is.

So for anyone listening when the New York Times, Washington Post and CNN are the fact checkers there is no credibility. Same for the other side and I’m afraid to say this but I don’t think there are any impartial fact checkers.

But here’s a fact... a lie is a lie. Can we all agree to that? Now can we also agree that some lies weigh more heavily than others? As an example what is worse lying about the crowd size at your inaugural speech or claiming you could keep your doctor with Obama care?

We lie all the time. We lie to others and we lie to ourselves but in my book some lies are worse than others. I believe Trump exaggerates the truth and your side would call that a lie. But in the whole scheme of things the lies Trump tells pale in comparison to the lies your side tells and it’s hard to refute.

Some of you imbeciles still talk about Russian collusion when the whole thing was a made up lie by your side? Want proof? He said it during the debate, the Muller team consisted of 13 democrats who absolutely hated Trump. I have no doubt if there was anything they would have found it.

I could go on and on... impeachment? a lie. Exaggerating the truth doesn't hurt anyone. Lying about colluding with Russia destroys a country. Lying about Impeachment Divides a country. You will continue to call him a liar but if you do take a good look in the mirror, you found the liar.
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Oct 23 2020 11:59PM     link to this

Jazz I have said this a hundred times... these numb-nuts hate Trump more than they love their country and more than there own civil rights... The next time it happens you will be the victim of censorship and there will be no one to complain to. I will speak for myself When I say this but what Twitter and Facebook did scares the shit out of me.

I do have a question about Section 230...

So Twitter, Facebook and Google Can pick and choose what they deem as inappropriate or not credible and block it from the platform without any consequences and they can also publish anything inappropriate and not true without any consequences?

That’s messed up....
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Oct 24 2020 12:00AM     link to this

That was kinda funny sponge bob....
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Oct 24 2020 12:06AM     link to this

I think you have to know the truth to speak it and Trump's genetically incapable of speaking anything that doesn't show him in a positive light. Unfortunately, Obama is a much better liar but it helps to have an audience that wants to believe there really is a free lunch. I blame them, not Obama, he's just doing what all successful politicians do......helping people justify their bad behavior.

Obama is a cynical manipulator while Trump is a pompous ass that nobody believes anyway.
The former is the more dangerous than the latter. But, that doesn't make Trump a good thing.
You have 2 choices on Nov. 3rd.
You can have the shit sandwich or the turd taco.
GoBallsDeep
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Oct 24 2020 12:12AM     link to this

Fake news!
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Oct 24 2020 12:22AM     link to this

Biden is Obama's Spiro Agnew
He's effectively hidden that he's been a crook for 47 years, so pretty good liar
He's also hidden that he's essentially an empty suit, I quote Obama's former Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates.....

Robert Gates, who served as defense secretary for the Obama administration, paused for a moment and said "I don't know" in an interview Sunday when asked if he thinks former VP Joe Biden would be a good president.

CBS's "Face The Nation" host Margaret Brennan asked Gates if he stood by a statement from his memoir that Biden has "been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades."

"I think I stand by that statement," Gates said

There's your crap cannelloni, if you'd like some Eye-taliano
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Oct 24 2020 12:53AM     link to this

I never said that, you just assumed I did because I was comparing a relatively bad liar to a very good one. In the lying game, Biden's not a good example as his only defense appears to be "C'mon man".
And, his Obama years were spent setting up his cons.

I give him credit for strongly arguing his one significant achievement in 47 years, the crime bill in 1994. The very same one he's now turning his back on, that's quite an achievement.

Joe got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but I'm not convinced it will hurt him. As you said yourself, you voted for him twice.
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Oct 24 2020 01:02AM     link to this

Thats so woke of you though, you think the most important thing here is you caught me in a fuck up
Typically, your comments are more clever riposte than simple "gotcha"
Clever better suits you
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Oct 24 2020 01:03AM     link to this

Lol lol

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Oct 24 2020 01:04AM     link to this

You work way too hard at this
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