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Civics and Government Lesson
Dec 1 2020 12:38PM more by jazz51
Tags: Orange County, Current Events (All tags)

It seems there are a lot of people on this site who failed their Government class or somehow forgot what they learned.

People are bitching and complaining about the Electoral College. A state gets the same number of votes in the Electoral College as they have seats in the Senate AND the House. Every state gets two Senators, so they have fair and equal representation in the Senate. Our Founding Fathers cared about each and every state (remember, we are a nation made up of 50 individual states with different needs, concerns and issues). So each state gets an equal representation in the Senate.

However, the House of Representatives is established based upon population. So a state with greater population gets more 'representation' in the House.

The electoral college combines the two. Each state gets their "Senate" representation and then are given votes based upon population. So those who whine that the electoral college does not take into account the size of the individual states are totally wrong.

But our founders set up a republic NOT a democracy. So we do not elect our President with the "popular" vote. Rather, it is a vote of the individual states, allowing for greater influence by larger states.
      
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Dec 1 2020 03:40PM     link to this

I know!

Trump got caught taking bribes for presidential pardon’s.

He is so fucked. Beyond fuckety fuck fuck fucked!

“ The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.

The case is the latest legal twist in the waning days of President Donald Trump's administration after several of his top advisers have been convicted of federal criminal charges and as the possibility rises of Trump giving pardons to those who've been loyal to him.

The disclosure is in 20 pages of partially redacted documents made public by the DC District Court on Tuesday afternoon. The records show Chief Judge Beryl Howell's review in August of a request from prosecutors to access documents obtained in a search as part of a bribery-for-pardon investigation.”


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Dec 1 2020 04:17PM     link to this

you remember the clinton pardons?

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Dec 1 2020 04:21PM     link to this

Anyone for some B hole. Come on fubs your still alive. Right??
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Dec 1 2020 05:58PM     link to this

Fubs is dead. May he Rest In Peace in after HX heaven.
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Dec 1 2020 06:24PM     link to this

Op,

Civics and for that matter American History is often not taught in the American schools systems any more. And if it is taught it is done in a manner consistent with the dumbing down of our country which has been happening for decades.
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https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/reports/2018/02/21/446857/state-civics-education/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/circle-study-finds-most-s_n_1959522
https://bedrosian.usc.edu/why-dont-they-teach-civics-anymore/
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Dec 1 2020 06:38PM     link to this

I know a lot of people with advanced degrees that have no clue when it comes to civics, geography and... well... common sense.
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Dec 1 2020 06:40PM     link to this

The crown looked at this as 13 separate business interests that were going to increase its world wide holdings. The founding fathers had to strike a deal so everyone felt they had stake in this thing. Do you really think the colonists all thought slaves were 3/5ths of a person or was it a negotiated point so the southerners didn't dominate the house? Plus the moneyed interests were the only one people who were educated and the thought of true equality where the masses could elect someone like Trump worried them. There are other holdovers in our thinking still today. The portions of the hearsay evidence exclusion are based on the fact that most people could not read or write at that time. A written record was not deemed reliable unless it was a business record because if used for business the court could allow it in subject to cross examination since the writer surely would know how read and write if that was part of his business.

Just because the electoral college was adopted then does not mean it was part of a great plan that must be kept now, unless any of you out there are suggesting we designate certain groups to be slaves so the economy would improve. By making the rich richer we don't have to make to many adjustments to accomplish it.
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Dec 1 2020 06:55PM     link to this

He beauty of the electoral college is it weighs votes rather than counting them. It makes politicians who desire to be President of the United States pay attention to the entire country rather than just focus on population centers where the majority of votes are. It keeps the values of rural areas from being completely drowned out by the cities, while at the same time giving due weight to the population centers.

God help us if we are ever subjected to the tyranny of a straight majority.

It really is a brilliant system... until it doesn’t work in your favor.



It’s a little like the 2nd Amendment. An armed militia of citizens cannot stop a federally funded army from strong arming the population. It’s just enough to give pause.

The electoral college makes politicians think about Minnesota AND Mississippi and not just California, New York, Texas and Florida.
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Dec 1 2020 07:21PM     link to this

^ Indeed. But 2 Dakota's, really? What might have made some sense in the 18th century seems to me to be inappropriate today. Isn't a greater danger than "tyranny of a straight majority" that the most wealth generating and populous states (and DC) are held hostage by a diminished and unrepresentative few? How much more weight should the vote of a Wyomingite have over a Californian?

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Dec 1 2020 07:46PM     link to this

millions vote in CA and feel the same way...vote don't matter...i might be up for california breaking apart...might be only thing that can save it...would be a great experiment

CA/NY 30 percent of the way to 270 without any need for campaigning

FL/TX seem up in the air every election for 25 percent, or need to work really hard for it






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Dec 1 2020 08:07PM     link to this

Loved my 1995 2 door civic ex. Lowered, air filter and exhaust with a 5 in muffler tip.
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Dec 1 2020 08:44PM     link to this

Just to answer my own question, currently a voter in Wyoming has nearly exactly 3 times the weight of a voter in Californian in the electoral collage. See attached for a fun calculator.
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Dec 1 2020 08:56PM     link to this

add up some states like FL, vermont, hawaii...does it help equal it out?

my vote in CA is worthless


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Dec 1 2020 09:06PM     link to this

I find this blog somewhat patronizing. Of course we all know what the electoral college is. Some of us simply believe that the system of choosing a President should be done directly via popular vote.
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Dec 1 2020 09:06PM     link to this

@Doom bribes for presidential pardons????? where the fuck are you getting your news from Mad Magazine..

okay so let me get this straight, a billionaire, needs bribes because, money!!!!

sigh!!!!!!!

If you believe this shit, you won't be in business for long, whatever you do for a living it will be gone by 2023
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Dec 1 2020 09:07PM     link to this

*via popular mail in vote
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Dec 1 2020 09:09PM     link to this

if we went off the popular vote in california then half the country would not matter..

its so dumb and arrogant to think that california's vote should be more important than other states.


IF that were the case then what would be the point of some of these smaller states even being in the union. They would have zero representation, and would be dictated too by New York and California
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Dec 1 2020 09:10PM     link to this

1 person, 1 vote. Doesn't get simpler than that.
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Dec 1 2020 09:12PM     link to this

"its so dumb and arrogant to think that california's vote should be more important than other states."

The way it is now is that some people's votes are more important than other people's votes.
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Dec 1 2020 09:13PM     link to this

Demographic change is eventually going to make this issue moot anyway probably.
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Dec 1 2020 09:18PM     link to this

@vss4

Trump is $231 million in debt. He is compromised.
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Dec 1 2020 09:22PM     link to this

too funny...he might have to live on his gov't pension...does he get that in jail?






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Dec 1 2020 09:33PM     link to this

again I don't see how you are in business @DOOM

yea he may have 231 million in debt, but guess what, he was in the real estate business before he became president and all that debt is mortgages on property.

his debt would be a problem if he defaulted on his debt .

let me make it a little more simpler for you, right now I owe 1100.00 dollars of credit card debt.

I make far more than what I actually owe..

I make payments on the debt and it is in good standings

it would only be a problem, IF I DEFAULTED ON THE DEBT OR COULD NOT AFFORD TO PAY THE DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


maybe you will get it maybe you won't



SMH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 1 2020 09:58PM     link to this

“How much more weight should the vote of a Wyomingite have over a Californian?”

Well.... technically... California has 18 times the influence of Wyoming.

“ 1 person, 1 vote”

And that is how it works.

We have ONE national office that everyone votes for... and since we are in a Federal system... each state votes for the President.

Now... if you would like to do like Maine and Nebraska and divide electoral votes by congressional district... I would be for that.

California would become much more competitive that way.
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Dec 1 2020 10:04PM     link to this

just some lil talking point he heard today somewhere

he has 2.7 to 3billion in property assets...each property is listed and analyzed by many many experts to come to a value for each....the total debt is less than the property values...yes there are personal guarantees or cross secured loans

just maybe all the libs can boycott and drive the values down to point where they don't cover the debt...that could be a great day for many of you

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Dec 1 2020 10:33PM     link to this

Wow, there are some real dummies in the crowd tonight.
One person, one vote, majority rules is
EXACTLY why the old fuckers designed this Rube Goldberg contraption the way it is
What part of "dispersion of power" don't you get?
Or "tyranny of the majority"?

Better that we all hate each other and yell a lot than start shooting, right?
Although, there's some very good indications that some of you could take a bullet to the head and not notice the difference.........dumb as fuck some of you are

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Dec 1 2020 10:58PM     link to this

fuck it...I have all my paint guns and ammo from failed proud boys application


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Dec 1 2020 11:28PM     link to this

Hello
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Dec 1 2020 11:30PM     link to this

Sxyvictoria! 😍😍😍
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Just for some fun guys 👄
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Good night guys !
Tomorrow will be a better day 👄😍💋
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Dec 2 2020 01:40AM     link to this

NR,

You might find this blog patronizing. But you are in the minority. According to one of those links I provided you only 26% of American adults can name the three branches of the federal government.

I imagine the percentage that can actually tell you much about the electoral college is even lower.

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Dec 2 2020 02:09AM     link to this

a month ago...listening to the zoom lessons for one that is in 5th...they were learning about the three branches of our government...kinda cool


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Dec 2 2020 03:40AM     link to this


@Sxyvictoria, where were you back, before the election. If you had posted that pic before, the election, Trump would have won California 😍
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Dec 2 2020 04:59AM     link to this

Damn sxyvictoria, you are so hot!
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