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you wanna argue how biden would have done better...by all means...have at it  maybe look at some old threads before the election
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Over 330,000 dead from the Trump Virus. If he had acted in February, tens of thousands would be alive today. I hope your family and loved ones are not part of the greatest leadership failure in the history of the country.
Can't re-write history.
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It was once said about a famous TV personality that when he left a job, he didn't burn bridges with his past employer, he napalmed them.
That's exactly what Donald Trump is doing in the final weeks of his presidency -- as he savages longtime allies, pardons criminals solely because of their loyalty to him and threatens to rob the country of much-needed Covid-19 relief money just because he can.
"This is rotten to the core," Nebraska Republican Sen. Ben Sasse said Wednesday night in the wake of Trump's latest round of pardons that included his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his political svengali Roger Stone.
That is, of course, true. But, what Trump is doing in his last days is also utterly predictable. This was always how this story was going to end. Anyone expressing shock and amazement simply hasn't been paying attention.
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just tell us how biden would have done better
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Biden would have had the federal government play a much larger role than Trump did. For example,
one reason why the UK knows it has a new variant is because they have the ability to look nationwide at new variants that are coming out. We don't know shit on the ground here because Trump and other Republican politicians think that this should be the responsibility of the states, and what happens is the infrastructure without the help from the CDC and NIH never gets built. We could have built that infrastructure to search for new variants up during the past year. It's important to see how quickly the COVID virus changes. The variant is probably here, and we don't even know it.
Biden would have never undermined the use of masks and social distancing, and this may have influenced people and states to take these things more seriously like offering mandates which would have saved lives.
Biden would have taken testing way more seriously than Trump. If Biden were President, we may have used the Defense Production Act to produce millions of antigen tests a day for people to use at their home. Testing is a proven (look at Slovakia and Liverpool) method that if ramped up so that millions of people (on average) test repeatedly (and quarantine if test positive), we might not needed these lockdowns at all and kept businesses open, even during the most difficult times.
Having said that, Trump did an excellent job with Warp Speed, which will probably give Biden a much easier time in 2021 than Trump had in 2020.
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Biden said the China travel ban was xenophobia and wouldn't have done it. Two months later he changed course. Pelosi invited everyone to chinatown SF in February. Cuomo in early March downplayed the Chinese virus. Trump covid plan is so effective that Biden copied. CA is so fucked that we have strictest lockdowns and the most new cases too
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we had a thread debating about the ban...parsing words, timeline...it's very fucking clear...not a good start for biden "doing" any better
that's what this is about btw...bring up the 250k plus or 300k plus is idiotic and a give up....KINDA like just follow the science
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Leaders are doing everything but following the science. Remember the hydroxychloroquine debate? We could've saved a lot of people with hcq had it not been politicized.
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NR, your comments show clearly you don't know much about the workings on the CDC on surveillance of new diseases and strains and what it takes for a company to develop and ramp production for a new Covid test. Yes, I am well aware of the regulatory and quality system requirements for medical devices and pharmaceuticals as I support that industry with some of the work in my lab.
Invoking the defense product act for such products would be fruitless. The DPA was invoked for ventilators but did you notice that no new ventilator companies were developed? Each new manufacturing entity used the approved design, AVL, manufacturing processes and quality system procedures of an established ventilator company.
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that's funny about taking testing to a new level
tests were coming as fast as they could...the market for successful tests was unlimited potential for making money. how many different versions of different kinds of testing came out? they're still trying to perfect it
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Testing doesn't accomplish anything other than telling the person they don't have it today (assuming the test is accurate and hasn't given you a false positive).
I need to take the test tomorrow and the day after and the day after again and again and again.
Many people cannot sort through who they were close to over a 2or 3 day period, so you can't really do contact tracing that would be totally effective.
If states like New York hadn't been stupid and sent Covid patients to convalescent and assisted living facilities, that number would be far less.
And I am still not convinced that number is accurate anyway based upon the anecdotal stories out there and the 'recalculations' done in so many areas. This was politicized from the get go and I don't trust the numbers from any of the blue states (not sure I trust the numbers from the red states either)
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the dem talking point is always something like testing...it's almost an unsolvable problem...kinda like pandemics and global warming
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"NR, your comments show clearly you don't know much about the workings on the CDC on surveillance of new diseases and strains"
All I know is that Great Britain was able to support a massive scale-up of genomic surveillance to stay ahead of new variants this year. (See pic). Why couldn't we?
Of course it has everything to do with federal help.
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"Invoking the defense product act for such products would be fruitless. "
Then why does Joe Biden want to invoke the DPA to help manufacture more testing products and vaccines?
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so that would make his leadership better? what exactly would they be doing that wasn't done? are they trying to TWEAK things after the fact? You know, Monday morning QB'g? that's like a real thing btw
YOU have to go back to the VERY start of it. THE signs/history of Biden decisions were there, that Biden would have shit the bed out of the gate
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"Testing doesn't accomplish anything other than telling the person they don't have it today (assuming the test is accurate and hasn't given you a false positive).
I need to take the test tomorrow and the day after and the day after again and again and again."
It already has been shown in Slovakia and Liverpool that rapid, population wide-testing (and quarantining) significantly decreases the number of new infections in the population. You don't need to test every day. If you had cheap, antigen testing that even tested only a portion of the population used like once a week every week, you would significantly cut down on the transmission rate of the virus and might not need to depend so much on more draconian lockdowns.
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"And yet, has Great Britain contained the pandemic? They have had a slightly higher death rate compared to the US since the pandemic began."
Surveillance by itself won't contain the pandemic, but it does let Britain know things like if there are more transmissible strains coming online so they can adjust public health policy, which are used to contain the pandemic. Britain obviously didn't do so well in the latter category.
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All Trump did by closing the border with China is have the virus get over here a few weeks later than it would have without closing the border. Since he wasn't aggressive in instituting non-pharmaceutical strategies that would have blocked transmission, the infection and deaths rate would have been similar.
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you would think ANY successful TESTING or TREATMENT information/medicine would be shared across all borders
you know that's how we got the hydroC treatment
so if there are successful tests out there...anywhere??? I am sure they have looked at it all...don't ya think??
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queen covid, you are so full of BS... 
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Testing has been successful in Liverpool and Slovakia.
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do you think we looked at those tests?
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Not the White House. Trump famously said that he wants to "slow the testing down."
I don't understand all the resistance to testing. It's a far better system than these crappy lockdown we have which are destroying lives by bankrupting businesses. I would think that business-minded people would be more open to this idea.
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This is an excellent article on testing by the expert, Dr. Michael Mina.
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Followed science instead of trying to figure out how to monetize it for personal profit.
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Lots of dead in Europe. It's probably Trump's fault according to all these people on the left....
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so much to consider
you always seem to only include those singular things that attempt to prove your points...when you bring up those two countries and their testing...DO you think America has looked at testing like that or from those companies in particular?
there was a mad dash to get that test - that they could give everyone and results would be within in minutes.
There was huge excitement when that one test came out with a machine processed 15min result(abbott), but it had its own drawbacks. WHAT were you personally thinking when they unveiled that machine? were you already ahead of the game thinking it was not enough? good start?
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funny how the virus came from china, and every commie bastard cried like babies when trump banned travel from china, and now cry he didn't do it fast enough
they can go fuck themselves and not get any vaccine
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cool article
so basically you blame trump for not undertaking this "time article" testing approach? maybe they looked at it and see too many holes? don't know...I'm sure you don't know either
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Back to an earlier tangent, Biden could have done better by making sure the vaccine got out in time and in correct quantities.
“Hospitals around the country have been thrown into confusion after the Trump administration informed state after state that they'll be getting 25%-40% fewer COVID vaccine doses next week than they'd been expecting. The snafu reveals communication gaps between the Trump administration and Pfizer, and between the administration and the states.”
Are you fucking kidding me?
What Pfizer says
"Pfizer is not having any production issues with our COVID-19 vaccine, and no shipments containing the vaccine are on hold or delayed," CEO Albert Bourla said via Twitter. His company says it has completed every shipment the U.S. government has requested.
"We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses," Pfizer said in a statement.
Once again, the Trump administration cannot be depended on to save American lives. Pfizer has the vaccines ready, but the inept government can’t get its act together despite months of preparation. Hospital directors are having to hold back tears and tell staff that they will not have enough vaccines as expected. Mayors and governors are having their calls not returned and emails IGNORED for updates.
Fuck Trump and his ilk. He cannot make the world a better place when it mattered.
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But it is true. One of the warehouses is here in SoCal and people are furious it’s had not moved out in time.
In any case, Biden’s reign is all hypothetical.
Trump’s bungling is live and now and can be felt as communities continue to hurt unnecessarily due to incompetence at the top.
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^With all due respect, I think this problem is being straightened out. The general who's in charge of the whole thing admitted mistakes, and said things are being corrected. Things are running more smoothly this week. The figure of 1 million vaccinated is already old. We probably have a few times that number.
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NOT sure how it comes into play with these shipments and allocations, BUT what is possibly missing in the article to make it look as bad as possible for trump
anything? bueller?
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If you'd have asked me in March if we would have had a vaccine by the end of 2020, I would have said, "No way!" Both of my parents will be vaccinated this month. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, and you have to give Trump credit for this.
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there you go...that's a start
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Why do some call it the Trump virus?
You do know it started in China, and that the CCP tried to cover it up for 6 weeks right?
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Perhaps if Trump hadn’t dissolved in 2018 the one federal agency (NSC Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense) tasked with finding epidemic diseases and preventing them from coming to our shores, we might have reacted quicker by a month.
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has any school written a positive article on trump? anything?
how does this help biden in the january or thru march? the history/track record/comments from him and his minions don't JIVE with acting any sooner
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Trump was not impeached.... Nor did he hold military aid for political purposes
The election was stolen because of Chinese Russian and the ghost of hugo Chavez........and votes were being counted in Venezuela or is it Germany.
Covid it is not a big deal and Americans have not died from it.... covid is a radical left conspiracy.
The Muller report says Trump is the greatest president of all time.
Any other bullshit u want to add!!!....get over it the fucker lost.
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thread about warp speed and possibly how biden would have done a better job
we'll put you down for a trump hating/biden loving liberal though
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maybe even a wannabe elite...whatever the fuck that is
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The main vaccines being distributed were developed in Oxford UK (AstraZeneca), Germany (Pfizer), China (Sinopharm) and Russia ( Sputnik V). Only the Moderna vaccine was developed in the US and no more quickly than the international competitors.
It's objectively clear that Trump's overt politicization of the basic public health recommendations and general incompetency and willful ignorance played a significant role in the US's relatively epic failure.
Had Trump not thrown away the pandemic playbook handed to him by President Barack Obama and disbanded the team responsible for pandemic preparedness, the death toll would have been far smaller. The financial toll would have been far smaller as well. How much? Who knows but it's clearly significant.
Nick
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Explain the covid failures of NY, CA and NJ?
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Operation warp speed put $11 billion dollars into the hands of companies like Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Pfizer (who didn't take money directly for research and development but did take money for orders). This investment clearly helped with development of these vaccines in a timely manner.
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"Explain the covid failures of NY, CA and NJ?"
Areas of very high population density
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Sure there's been a lot of money spent. However; Pfizer has distanced itself from Trump and Operation Warp Speed. In interviews Kathrin Jansen a senior vice president and the head of vaccine research and development at Pfizer has said they were never part of the Warp Speed or have taken any money from the U.S. government.
The question is whether a different administration would have done better. I think it's clear they would.
Nick
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"The question is whether a different administration would have done better. I think it's clear they would."
I completely agree from a public health point of view that the Trump administration has been terrible in 2020. All I was saying is that the silver lining is Trump's Operation Warp Speed, although perhaps the administration could have done a better job at influencing the public to be more enthusiastic about the vaccine.
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