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I can't wait to start sucking face again!!!
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what are you drinking sir
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OP: "People who have had COVID-19 already are immune. "
That is an interesting theory, not proven out yet. Might be correct, might not.
And if you do get some immunity it may not last long.
Common colds are caused by coronaviruses and you don't get long-term immunity by getting over it and there is no vaccine.
Influenza is different and mutates--many viruses do. So getting over it one year won't keep you safe the next.
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Actually, common colds are most often caused by rhinoviruses. And the reason there isn't a vaccine is because there are at least 160 strains of these, so you would need a vaccine to target all of those, and that hasn't been figured out yet.
Coronaviruses are viruses, and what we know about viruses tells us that you will get immunity from a strain of a virus once you have had it, at least for some time. There has never been a virus known to us where it's been proven you don't get some level of immunity to it for some time when you clear it. The problem is with coronaviruses, immunity can last a year or two and then go away. Usually though the symptoms are mild if you get reinfected with a coronavirus after your immunity goes away.
COVID-19 could be somewhat different with regards to the length of immunity after clearing it and the symptoms upon reinfection once immunity goes away.
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They can't even get us all Real ID
What ur saying Nigel is
Basically doing the ID2020 implant chip to store out info on in our bodies and send out data
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Wait a minute! I smell The X Files!!! (cue the opening music)
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I’ve searching and haven’t found any previous antibody response to be under a year. So likely to be at minimum over a year. A lot last for several years.
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@NigelCollins68
I don't think it's helpful to keep creating blogs like this. Who knows what will happen in the near future.
The virus is projected to spread quickly, with as many as 70% of the world's population will eventually get infected with it.
The current issue is to try to slow the spread so that hospitals won't be slammed so that those who become seriously sick can be treated with respirators if they are needed.
New York will run out of respirators this weekend, so expect the rate of death to quickly increase. In the US, the death rate was only 1% two weeks ago. Now it's 2.5% and we will likely reach Italy and Spain's 10% to 11.5% before the infection rate starts to decrease.
Of course it would be great to have a system to identify those who are immune, but immunity isn't necessarily guaranteed even after you recover from it. From what I read, some get sick again and die, so this concept of giving cards to those who are immune won't likely be effective.
What may be promising is using the antibodies of those who recover to give immunity to everyone, assuming that mechanism can work. It is being studied now.
Because this is a worldwide problem, the entire world's scientific community is working on it all at once. If a solution can be had quickly, it will be found.
Unfortunately, sometimes there is uncertainty with no easy answers or quick fixes. That's what we are experiencing now wirh this virus.
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One should always pay attention to the Mildly, or even Wildly, Amusing to get a sober perspective. I'll start paying attention to Nigel when he opens his Bunny Ranch of Covid-infested Ladies.
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I don’t know why there even doubts on immunity. Those cases were suspected to be false negatives or extremely rare scenarios. The closest related virus to covid19 is SARS, which have antibodies lasting 2-12 years. If all of us could get reinfected, then there’s no way a vaccine could work or a way for us to stop this virus. You can forget about social distancing ever ending then.
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I think I'm gonna go ahead and post a blog with some wildly inaccurate speculative fantasy, but I'm going to portray it as fact, and then I'm gonna watch all you dummies eat it right up without questioning a single thing.
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oh wait n/m, OP beat me to it.
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witler: "I don’t know why there even doubts on immunity."
That is exactly why you should stop posting misinformation.
Turns out people who do know, and who are experts, do have doubts.
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The reports were of patients in China, Japan, and South Korea who recovered from the virus, but then tested positive again (see linked articles).
I can’t wait until this is over. Besides being a relatively active hobbyist, I had a great first date in the first week of March and I haven’t seen the girl since ...so I want this over as much as everyone else.
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Delaine, please cast me in your Wildly Speculative Fantasy.
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He must be drinking something
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You should stop posting. Honestly you're fucking retarded or brain damaged if you think question immunity for this virus. Literally almost all the experts are saying those are likely false negatives.
Like how the fuck do you think that? If that were the case, people would get reinfected the hospitals over and over again. The effort to try and create a vaccine would be worthless. Jesus fuck. On one hand of the spectrum you have people claiming this is just the flu, but on the other spectrum you have people saying ridiculous shit like this. It's like there's no middle ground for some people.
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False positives*, reinfected in the hospitals over and over*
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From the Time article:
"There remains a lot of uncertainty, but experts TIME spoke with say that it’s likely the reports of patients who seemed to have recovered but then tested positive again were not examples of re-infection, but were cases where lingering infection was not detected by tests for a period of time.
Experts say the body’s antibody response, triggered by the onset of a virus, means it is unlikely that patients who have recovered from COVID-19 can get re-infected so soon after contracting the virus. Antibodies are normally produced in a patient’s body around seven to 10 days after the initial onset of a virus, says Vineet Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch.
Instead, testing positive after recovery could just mean the tests resulted in a false negative and that the patient is still infected. “It may be because of the quality of the specimen that they took and may be because the test was not so sensitive,” explains David Hui, a respiratory medicine expert at the Chinese University of Hong Kong who also studied the 2002-2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which is caused by a coronavirus in the same family as SARS-CoV-2."
There has NEVER been definitive case of a virus causing reinfection so soon after clearance. NEVER.
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I agree 100000000% with witler5.
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Again from experts from the Time article:
"One study conducted by Taiwanese researchers found that survivors of the SARS outbreak in 2003 had antibodies that lasted for up to three years—suggesting immunity. Hui notes that survivors of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS, which is also caused by a virus related to the one that causes COVID-19) were found to last just around a year.
Menachery estimates that COVID-19 antibodies will remain in a patient’s system for “two to three years,” based on what’s known about other coronaviruses, but he says it’s too early to know for certain. The degree of immunity could also differ from person to person depending on the strength of the patient’s antibody response. Younger, healthier people will likely generate a more robust antibody response, giving them more protection against the virus in future.
“We would expect that if you have antibodies that neutralize the virus, you will have immunity,” Menachery says. “How long the antibodies last is still in question.”"
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Nigel, I have a hard time believing somebody who doesn't have a head above their lower lip...
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It's not 100% certain, but it's pretty damn close that there will be some level of immunity for some period of time.
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And so, if immunity lasts a few years or so, we all get re-immunized from the eventual vaccine, as often as we need it until everyone's covered and COVID-19 can't infect anyone anymore and becomes exceedingly rare.
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So- kinda like the chicken pox where its mandatory to get ?
Why didn't they ever make a chicken pox vaccine?
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Speaking of chicken: I just scored a can of Chicken Broth at Ralphs. In your face Panic Shoppers!!!
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I got chicken and rice. Bam...N-YO-FACE!
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Dam...I think I'm in love with DeLaine.
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dilbert, when this is over we need to play cards again
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^ true dat
Happyguy, why do you post when you have no clue as to the veracity of your words?
Common cold Virus
There are more than 200 that can lay you low.
Rhinovirus
Coronavirus
RSV and parainfluenza
There are also a lot of viruses that doctors haven't identified. About 20%-30% of colds in adults are caused by these "unknown" bugs.
You could be immune to a few strains and not even know it.
So, do us all favor.
Just play "pretend" post, k?
But don't actually do it.
Thx
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Do you realize that Freedom would be Totally lost ?
Let us know when you get moved to Montana.
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while it is a new form of the COVID virus, the virus is NOT new and so a lot is known about it
YES it is airborne
the isolation that we are doing now is not to STOP the virus, butt just to slow it down
the MAJORITY of our population is likely to contract this virus, we're just trying to slow down the spread so that everybody doesn't get it at ONCE (I'm having fun with CAPS)
so maybe, just maybe, we should all run out and get this bug and spread it to everyone and then in 2 or 3 weeks it'll be over. Lots of dead, but over
just my 2 ¢
and knight rider - you generalize about viruses and immunity butt have you forgotten the mighty H I Virus? - no immunity there
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OMG ^ Your over the top but got balls to post that I’m with it 😋😄
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I don't think people actually read the articles that they reference.
The German proposal is theoretical. It still needs to be proven that those who recover from COVID-19 actually develop immunity and cannot be reinfected.
And the Forbes article ends with these two paragraphs:
"All of this is a reminder that scientists do not yet know enough about this new coronavirus. What percentage of people become immune to the virus if exposed? How strong is the immunity? Will it actually prevent reinfection? How long would this immunity last? Is it two years as the SARS study hints at or could it be much shorter than that? How does all of this vary from person to person? How many different versions of the virus may end up circulating? As the Internet meme goes, I and many other scientists have so many questions.
Therefore, if you do get exposed to the virus and recover, don’t view it as a free pass to start hugging strangers, digging your fingers deep into your nose like you are looking for pocket change, and licking door knobs. Keep doing what everyone else should be doing such as social distancing, washing your hands frequently and thoroughly, keeping your filthy fingers from gravitating towards your gigantic face, and actively disinfecting surfaces, objects, and that enormous BTS statue that you have in your living room. Just because you survived the first infection, doesn’t necessarily mean that future exposures and possible infections will end up OK. As you know, sequels don’t always have the same endings.”
Of course we all hope that those who get infected and recover develop immunity, but we need to wait and see if that actually is proven to occur before we start making such claims.
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^ In this i agree with MA19
"while it is a new form of the COVID virus, the virus is NOT new and so a lot is known about it"
There are too many unknowns about this virus
However, there are a lot of knowns about a Depression and a quarter of the workforce unemployed.
We need to map a way towards getting some normalcy back at some point soon.
Cuomo and other governors know this and are already talking about it
It's like threading the eye of a needle and there will be mistakes made and people will die
It happens every day
We cannot allow the cure to be worse than the disease
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"I don't think people actually read the articles that they reference.
The German proposal is theoretical. It still needs to be proven that those who recover from COVID-19 actually develop immunity and cannot be reinfected."
You're wrong. If there is no immunity, then COVID-19 would be acting differently than any other virus known to man EVER.
It's like saying, well, the sun comes up in the morning every day from the east, but it still has to be proven that it's going to come up again tomorrow from the east. You KNOW there's a theory called Newton's Law of Gravitation, but it's only a theory, so we're not 100% sure.
Ok, we're 99.999999999999% sure on gravitation and pretty damn sure about some immunity and COVID-19. The questions do remain how strong is the immunity and for how long.
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Again, from one of the articles you posted, from an immunological expert:
"'We would expect that if you have antibodies that neutralize the virus, you will have immunity,' Menachery says. 'How long the antibodies last is still in question.'"
Yup, and we know that there is an adaptive immune response to COVID-19 already. We have data on that. I've seen the data. That means people make antibodies and make memory T-cells in order to ward off the virus, which means there must be some form of immunity, since anti-bodies and T-cells linger on after an infection and give the host immunity of some sort.
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I think people are just so spooked about this that they forget their basic immunology.
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I honestly hope that I'm wrong, but I don't think doctors/scientists are willing to say conclusively that those who were infected are immune from reinfection.
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No reinfection occurred in monkeys. We're not monkeys, but there's more and more evidence of such a scenario being highly unlikely.
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That's good to hear, cause I need to keep spanking my monkey for the forseeable future.
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