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Why would it help him?
Captain of a Nimitz Class aircraft carrier is a coveted position. Entire battle groups are built around those ships. There is enough firepower in a carrier battle group for it, single-handedly, to wage war against most nations.
Now they have Ford Class carriers which are even more technologically advanced.
The captain is usually someone who has served as a fighter pilot, captained other vessels, the “Air Boss” on a carrier as well as an Executive Officer on a carrier. They are well educated, (almost always Annapolis) and often have engineering degrees. They have extensive “nuke” training since their ship has 2 nuclear reactors. On top of all of that... you have to be able to operate in the military political system.
As highly qualified as that person has to be... there is no shortage of qualified officers to fill that billet.
It is the most coveted line officer position in the Navy.
Unless Trump steps in... Crozier will never Captain a carrier again. Being promoted to Rear Admiral will be difficult, having been relieved of command.
I honestly don’t think he did this realizing the blowback that would happen. I don’t think he intentionally risked his job. I think he is a good man. I think he got scared and frustrated and made a bad choice under pressure. I wouldn’t classify him as a hero.
Unless his command is restored, he will retire and move into the private sector... and make a shitload of money.
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Get his job? He should be thrown out of the Navy and thrown in jail.
Why would any Officer let info get out about the condition of his ship or crew?
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Supposedly?
Proof of anything you posted?
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You may want to look at a map to evaluate the relative positions of Guam vs Puerto Rico and use that as a judgement to determine if the info for citing all came from the same source.
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So 1 Sailor died. The Captain put the other 4999 Sailors and his ship in danger...
He should go to jail.
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I guess you prefer the kind of leadership where you have 4999 dead solders and a 1 sole surviving leader who mindlessly follows chain of command that dragged its feet and failed them even if it costs 4999 lives. Good to know.
Um, no. Most service members are in shape, they all have had physicals.
What I prefer, is following the chain of command and not create a real safety concern the
ship and her crew.
That's the problem with Libtards, they are weak....
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Wow Angler seems to be a pile of misinformation and whack level insanity.
A captain has responsibilities to his crew and his country and this captain served those well.
The chain of command is supposed to resolve problems. When it fails, the obligation is to pursue other means of securing your ship and your country--those come way above the chain.
And being "in shape" or having physicals has zero to do with vulnerability to the virus, which could disable or severely weaken a ship.
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Talk about a pile of misinformation and whack level insanity.?
Whom has the virus killed mostly? I'll take people with underlying conditions for $1000 Alex. 
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Someone smack some reality into Angler, please.
A pandemic is not a weakness. And it is a very real threat to any place with close quarters, especially a busy naval vessel of that size. These are not people in the movies, these are real active members who may get sick, may get sick real bad and even die. The captains goals is the ability to complete the mission, and if the ship is dealing with very sick crew with a rapidly contagion then it will not be mission ready.
Oh, and I dare you to tell any of the enlisted on that ship that the one death (so far) was nothing.
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If there are going to be consequences, they should be up the chain of command where officers failed to do their duty and forced the captain's hand.
The Sec of Navy losing his job was a good start.
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Let's not dwell on deaths tho--imagine what it means for more than half of a ship's sailors to be sick and unable to work for several weeks.
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Let's not dwell on deaths tho--imagine what it means for more than half of a ship's sailors to be sick and unable to work for several weeks.
Hey happy, that is the point, most don't know they have it, They will not be sick for weeks..
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And again you're exaggerating, 500plus tested positive, not half of the ship.
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Angler is either disconnected from reality or just pretending to be nuts so he can anonymously troll.
Either way, his opinions and comments aren't worth looking at.
Arguing with a fence post is a better use of time.
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Angler 1 happy 0
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Facts count, emotions don't!
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gloom guy... never mind...
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even though this will turn out into nothing with the Chinese(they have been aggressive in the last few years on the seas) ...it will shine the light on the real issue for this guy and the position he put us in
it won't help him...it will hurt his chances, if there were any to begin with
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even though this will turn out into nothing with the Chinese(they have been aggressive in the last few years on the seas) ...it will shine the light on the real issue for this guy and the position he put us in
it won't help him...it will hurt his chances, if there were any to begin with
I agree. Can you imagine if his ship was actually attacked?
He would be the last guy I would want in charge..
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I’m not mad a Crozier, I think he just made a bad decision.
He was right to have extreme concern... I understand the comparison in his mind with the cruise ship... because it was similar. But he panicked. He was in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and the reality was NO ONE had answers. That is why the cruse ships could not enter a port. What do you do with 6,000 people who need to be quarantined? Let them pile off the ship onto a small military base (that does not have the facilities or ability to house/manage that).
He wanted an answer NOW... and one wasn’t available. The COC hadn’t stalled. They didn’t have the means to test 6000 sailors. They couldn’t send other ships to take the crew off.
There were limited options available. To think the command structure was just twirling their thumbs is ridiculous. To think the Captain was the only one that cared what was happening does such a disservice to men and women who have given their lives to serve and have moved up the ranks.
I understand the captain’s fears... but he panicked and gave the media (who are great at pointing at problems but rarely care about solving them) an opportunity to take potshots... when there was NO UPSIDE. The letter didn’t garner more help and better options. It just shined a light on a difficult problem and the Navy’s struggle to solve it... just like the civilian world was having.
He was wrong. It wasn’t noble. It wasn’t heroic. It didn’t save anyone or add to the available options for a solution. It damaged confidence in the command structure which can have long-term effect on safety and efficiency in a wartime situation. It just can’t work that way in the military.
It’s like the mid-level manager who makes his staff believe he is the only one in the company who cares and everyone else is a selfish dolt. All of the higher ups are idiots... and he is the smart one who cares. It’s a selfish, self-serving and ineffective management style.
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While having no privy and assuming nothing (because I know very little but I respect what I have been told by Navy sailors of various ranks) the Cpt. made his decision based on the time crunch of the health of his crew and mission operation status. If the ship can’t deploy and do what it needs to, then make sure that the ship can.
And what is this Bullshit about not dwelling on deaths?
What fucking arrogance and disrespect to the sailors who are ill and the one who died?
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Stop repeating (or making up) phrases you know nothing about... “mission operation status” lol.
The ship was essentially out of commission unless extreme circumstances occurred and they had to have immediate action in that part of the Pacific.
And his mission operational status is not determined by him. It’s determined by the Fleet Admiral. The Captain readies his crew and vessel to the best of his ability and reports to the fleet. Then they make operational decisions.
Every life is precious... but if you look at ALL of the reported facts... even from the NYT who obviously had an opinion and agenda, the options were limited and he didn’t like the time command was taking to provide a solution.
They were is the middle of the fucking ocean with a virus on board, sick men and 6,000 potentially sick men.
The Navy didn’t just have to consider the 6,000 men on board. They has to consider how to get most of the men off the ship... and where they should go... so the virus wan’t spread to the bas and surrounding communities.
Crozier was not wrong for writing the letter. The letter was appropriate. He was wrong for sending it to 20 - 30, people several of which were outside of his command structure.
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1 sailor dead out of 5000, hmmmm
THAT WOULD BE .0002, 2 ONE HUNDREDTHS OF 1%
Probably more sailors die from STD's caught from prostis in port
Get a fucking clue
He fucked up, had a bad day, whatever.
Don't fire him though!
Put him on a Covid experimental vaccine trial
And, hope for the best
Let him serve his country
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