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Am i the only one on here spend times for girls instead of doing politcal bullshit?
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That figure is low. The CDC reports 56,0000 flu related deaths in 2012-2013 and 2017-2018 was worse.
Yes, because there is no heard immunity, vaccinations, and Covid-19 spreads like the wind, the number of deaths will be higher. What should most concern us is mortality rate, and what groups are most at risk. It appears the chance of someone under 45 with no pre existing conditions to die from covid-19 is very low.
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No matter how low the chances are of getting sick do you want to get sick? I’m surprised there’s still so much activity on this site. Did you hear about the idiot in Ohio, John McDaniel? On March 15 he tweeted how fucked up the lockdown is. Don’t tread on me! He was dead on April 15 one month later. What a dumbfucker.
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The CDC reports 480,000 die from cigarettes in the US each year, including 40,000 from second hand smoke. We are not putting 22 million people out of work, and killing our economy to save them.
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Go find political blogs and leave us to boobie picks. I know, i am so deep.
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harpooner...not sure where you are getting your facts. Here are the CDC links.
They don't really know and have not counted all the deaths from the most current flu season but it could be as high as 62,000.
And as Lou said, 2017-18 was high, 61,000.
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Millions could die! Doom & Gloom guys.. 
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How many deaths have been reported other than Corona, yet been report AS died from Corona ?
We will never know.
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The problem with Covid-19 is the fact that people can be carriers without showing any symptoms and the reason for the "19" in Covid-19 is because this virus was discovered and first identified in 2019 and not the 19th "version" of the COVID virus.
The Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 to 1920 infected over 500 million people and killed 50 million at about a 10% death rate.
The typical flu deaths in the last decade has a date rate of less than 1% and it is due to an increase in flu vaccine shots that people take every year, to help minimize deaths.
This Covid-19 death rate in the U.S. has been around 7% so far. It kills more people and can be easily transmitted to others in close proximity. There is no vaccine so far and the virus can survive on numerous surfaces up to weeks.
Deaths from drownings and cigarettes and alcohol are not contagious like Covid-19. They can be controlled by other means of education, penalties from driving drunk and prevention to by eating healthier and not smoking or drinking. So to compare other deaths that are not contagious and easily transmitted as Covid-19 as an excuse to remove the lockdown in place is a bit ignorant and misinformed of the facts.
If you feel Covid-19 is no more harmful or deadlier than the common flu, then by all means, go out and ignore the lockdown and go about your business as usual. You are a person with freedom to do as you want and you can decide if you want to risk your life and the people around you.
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Yeah Harpooner we have all heard those things.... Whats your point?
A lot of questions and no certain answers. I guess we should all cocoon and hope when we get through this period and hope its better.....
But what if its worse
OMG .. It just dawned on me , WE ARE LITERALLY ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!
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This is from the CDC website:
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1).
Link to full article below.
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You picked the best year of flu in years 2018-19. They actually got the flu reasonably pegged with the vaccine.
I thought you were commenting on the current year. My numbers were the current flu season, 2019-2020, which seemed far more relevant to our discussions of flu and Covid-19
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The death rate is a moving target. Scientists are believing that 5 to 10 times as many people who are being counted actually have had Covid-19, because they were asymptomatic.
A recent study in Santa Clara County noted that there could be anywhere from 50-85 times as many people have been infected with the virus.
If you don't go to the doctor or don't got to an ER, you are not being counted. Just like the flu, not all cases get reported and counted.
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@jazz51. You are right, death rates can spike or flatten, depending on that year and if they put out the right vaccine for the upcoming flu season.
But I still believe that having over 47,000 deaths as of this morning in the U.S. in such a short amount of time, makes this pandemic the worst this country and world has ever seen.
I think we have been lucky in California as we have had only a little over 1,400 deaths compared to New York, which is nearing 17,000.We are ranked 4th in the number of infections but ranked 9th in the number of deaths.
And being asymptomatic with this virus makes spreading it easier for people not knowing they have it or the people around them not knowing.
And we will all die someday. Some sooner than others. :-)
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I dont think anyone could ever get a valid "death rate to confirmed infection" understanding because a lot of people may have developed symptoms and not been checked. It's just not practical. We were all told to stay home unless symptoms become extreme.
All that matters ( and is practical... ) is to know death rate by age group normalized to a given population. The data I've seen shows very low single digit percent rates for all people under age 60 years.
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The U.S. numbers are totally skewed and screwed by a single State, New York.
A state that has slightly less than 6% of the population accounts for 31% of the infections and 43% of the fatalities.
And our politicians here in CA want population dense housing....
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The New York numbers are high because of population density and the fact that NYC residents tend to travel internationally more, on average, than people in flyover country. NYC also has a much much greater number of foreign tourists and businesspeople that come and go constantly.
But it's also related to time. NYC was on the bleeding edge of infections. Had the extreme social distancing not been mandated when they were, you would likely see much higher rates of infection and death in the more rural states. Just imagine all the farm hicks flocking to Times Square before returning home and infecting their communities.
Even now, you're starting to see significant outbreaks in rural areas, and that's WITH the social distancing measures in place.
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Case in point: In March of 2019, a bunch of eighth graders from my son's middle school went on a week-long organized tour of NYC and Washington DC during spring break.
I'm positive that the tour was canceled for 2020, but if it hadn't been, you'd see a whole planeload of mostly-asymptomatic teenagers spreading the disease to their schools and families.
I'm sure the tour was not unique. Most likely every school district in the country has similar tours. If the quarantines had not gone into effect when they did (~ March 20th), imagine how many thousands of teenagers and college kids might have visited NYC just as the pandemic was exploding.
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I tend to think the actual death rate from the Corona Virus will end up being higher than the normal yearly flu.
However when you quote percentages like "7%" that appears on your cable news channels then I tend to question either your sincerity or your intelligence. The news channels and the media in general keep throwing out those misleading percentages which represent the number of actual people who died versus the number of people tested in order to get as many people as possible to watch their news.
They know and you should know those numbers tend to include only the people who were sick enough to get tested for the virus. The large number of people who have no symptoms or relatively mild symptoms are in general not being tested for the virus so numbers like "7%" are very flawed and misleading numbers.
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Here's the most factual thing we know about Covid-19. It's extremely contagious. Any statement about morbidity or survival for that matter is pure speculation.
I have been sure of many things in my life...
Phil Collins wrote and sang a song about a man he watched drown in a pool. I was 16 and repeating bullshit another 16 year old I trusted told me. I was wrong.
I was sure I was going to make a career out of the Navy. Turns out while I was a good mechanic ... I hated the job.
When I got my dream job with my dream company. I found out is was just another job and just another company.
I've learned that while I think I am a pretty sharp guy... I can be wrong a lot more times than I'd like to admit. And that fact holds true for everyone.
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Instigator & Lampson
You're both so full of shit, I can smell it thru my tablet, haven't figured out how to close the aroma app. Too much bullshit to refute so here's just one example.
"But I still believe that having over 47,000 deaths as of this morning in the U.S. in such a short amount of time, makes this pandemic the worst this country and world has ever seen."
195,000 Americans died from Spanish flu in the ONE MONTH of October 1918.
After counting over 10 more false statements in your posts, I gave up.
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The 1918 flu was in the middle of WW1 which helped spread it. Trench warfare also helped spread the flu. Just think how high the death rate would be if doctors today had the same knowledge and medical equipment as a 100 years ago. I'm thinking that COVID-19 in NYC was spread by riding the train , subway and By punching elevator buttons. In nursing homes there are workers that go from person to person handling out meds or meals. Collecting laundry. Tons of transference. What puzzles me is how California didn't get hit like NYC. We are the point of entry for people flying in from china. California has a huge Chinese population in SFO, LA, Orange county. Yet we weren't swamped with COVID-19 like NYC. Is it possible COVID-19 has already infected California in the recent past.? Thats why the infection rate is lower here.?
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All good questions:
CA = 40,000,000 pop w/37,000 cases and 1440 deaths
NY = 20,000,000 pop w/264,000 cases and over 20,000 deaths
Even though the first documented death is now known to be from Santa Clara county in Feb.
NYC is the densest urban area in the US., densest rapid transit, hardest hit areas are low income with high body count per room. Add in high smoking rates, poor hygiene, bad eating habits, impaired health. Then throw in a State run public hospital system that had a $1.8 billion deficit last year, constant money shortfalls, an attempt by Cuomo to cut another $400 million in Medicaid funding, dropping bed count due to hospiral closures over the last 20 years, etc etc
NYC is a complete shit show and everybody else is paying a steep price because of 3 things:
1. Most media HQ's are in NYC and they're scared shitless
2. Disasters sell news
3. They'll do ANYTHING to rid themselves of Orange man because they're guilty of getting him elected
CV-19 is real but not every city/state needed to handle it like NYC. Gavin Nuisance is about to get some rebellion.
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^^^ spot on. 
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99% correct ballsdeep. There already rebellion . Protests are starting to pops up
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I'd ask a doctor before listening to any of you political hacks. It's funny to see the protesters wearing a mask for something they think is not a health risk.
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Absolutely Blue.Diamond, I'm with you 100 percent!
Too many sheep, it's a shame!
Hopefully we get to meet on the front lines, it wld be an honour!
xxoo
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"It's funny to see the protesters wearing a mask for something they think is not a health risk"
Thers nothing wrong with protesters following the guidelines of social distancing and wearing masks when they assemble. It makes the "protest" more peaceful and controlled so that law enforcement has no solid reason to break it up.
It just makes thier actions more organized and significant.
And we cant let New York's predicament drag the whole countries economy into the dumps.
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"It's funny to see the protesters wearing a mask for something they think is not a health risk"
Who said it's not a health risk? I haven't heard anything like that from the protesters. Rent is due buddy and they cant pay it!!!
Maybe you and Nancy can sit back and eat ice cream ... but the people she "represents" still have bills to pay. People improperly believe that its life and death for every individual it's not, just a large portion the others will live through and be in financial dire straights. They are right to feel anxious. Just as much of a right as any Planned Parenthood Supporter, or Green New Deal advocate, NRA supported or anyone else who marches or protests. The time of their concerns may be inconvenient to you but they are as legitimate as they can possibly be. Virus or no they have a legitimate right and duty to themselves to protest for what they believe.
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I don't think the politicians are going without pay....
Gavin should have stopped his salary immediately when he told everyone else they had to give up theirs..
Let's get Gavin and Nancy and Cuomo and the others to go back and refund their salaries to the government during the shutdown. Trump already isn't taking a salary so he gets a pass......
And they get nothing until we reopen.....they need skin in this game....
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If we had testing and contact tracing we could allow the people who listen to politicians for medical advice to go outside without the fear of infecting my mother, father and uncle. I could care less if you get your own ass infected and die. Freedom is nothing if you're dead. It blows my mind to point that out.
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You know if all the idiots protesting had masks on I'd wouldnt be so pissed off. But since most are idiots. Most are not wearing masks. Which makes the protesters tools and the protest a publicity stunt.
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So, you are fine with having many Americans lose everything they worked hard for due to some political decision?
No, don't be stupid. But we have millions of people currently working and doing so safely with excellent protocols in place.
But when politicians say you cannot have a motor boat out on a lake by yourself, they have overreached.
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I agree with phlampson. A lot of what we're seeing in NYC is related to the time things were shut down, not just population density. A hub to the world, NYC was already much farther along the infection curve when they got shut down than most rural areas. Washington was shut down very early in its infection curve. California too. If we open things up too soon, you'll start seeing more of what went in on NYC in California, more readily in some of the more population dense regions in LA county and San Francisco, although any region where people are mixing a lot will eventually have serious problems, maybe not NYC-serious, but serious enough.
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The ultimate
ignorance is
the rejection
of something
you know
nothing about,
yet refuse to
investigate
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@mbc... unless you had a drop e and you have footage of these protests yourself then you cant truthfully say that most of the protesters were unmasked. Even then how far away are they from people not withing their household. You cant say can you?
It blows my mind that I have to point that out but hey we are all guilty of reacting in a knee jerk fashion to things that oppose our own pre-conceived notions of right and wrong.
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wunanddun.....people note those things that fit their narrative and do not even try to be objective.
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"A hub to the world, NYC was already much farther along the infection curve when they got shut down than most rural areas. Washington was shut down very early in its infection curve. California too."
"Gov. Newsom ordered shelter-in-place in California on May 19. Gov. Cuomo ordered stay-at-home on May 20. I'm sure you can find an expert somewhere who will say that one day can make a huge difference. I'm sure you can find one somewhere else who will say that there are other factors in this case which were are far more significant."
My point is a shutdown of NYC should have happened weeks earlier than it did in California to have a similar type of effect.
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I am not going to defend the Mayor or Governor...but here is a time line.
March 1 First case in New York
March 14, first two fatalities, both old people with significant underlying medical conditons.
March 17 up to 814 noted cases.
If a shut down occurred for 814 cases out of nearly 19 million people in New York City, I might expect de Blasio and Cuomo might be lynched....
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The change in infectious population over time is related to the concentration of the susceptible population and the infectious population. Size and density of the susceptible population is what killed NYC. The only thing that would have prevented disaster in NYC is an earlier lockdown or more severe restrictions in NYC than elsewhere to counter the vast size and density of the NYC population.
I think that the restrictions in NYC and in California are about the same right now. They weren't good enough in NYC because of the size and density of its population. But they were good enough here. If Californians lighten up too much in the middle of a pandemic, you would have a situation here in NYC, even with a smaller population density. We have got to get the cases to low levels before we can really reduce restrictions.
The exception to this is if we introduce enough testing. There is some theoretical work which suggests we could lighten up restrictions even before the cases go all the way down if we can ramp up the testing greatly. That is our best hope to suppress the spread of the virus and to open up as fast as possible. That's what I would do.
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Let's be clear. I think every reasonable person agrees that we need to start easing restrictions. But they need to be done in a deliberate and thoughtful manner, with decisions based on hard data.
The problem with the protesters and the hardcore FoxNews crowd is that they just want to remove all restrictions ASAP come hell or high water. That is a recipe for prolonging the pain and permanently damaging the economy.
BTW, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the protests were masterminded by a small number of big-business astroturf groups. You won't hear this reported on Fox News, but it's clear that people are being manipulated for profit.
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Just one of many stories that you'll find once you get your head out of Trump's ass
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