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Is the problem really Trump though? Don't forget Trump was elected by a lot of Americans. Or is the problem that we refuse to think big when a big challenge is in front of us? Yes, it takes leadership to mobilize the people, but we're not the same nation we were when we faced the Great Depression and faced the Nazis and the Japanese Empire in World War 2. Would we even have a chance against these threats today, even if Donald Trump were not President?
Again, all I'm hearing is we can't do the extraordinary -- save the countless lives of Americans who are going to die over the next few months due to COVID-19 and save the economy too. It's either the old geezers or the rest of us. This is a false choice I say. We are at a big fork in the road. Either we think and do really big -- create a massively scaled-up testing, tracing and supported isolation system which would stop the virus in its tracks -- or we think "it's too late" and "we can't do it" and probably let 2,000 - 3,000 Americans die over the next few months as we try desperately to open up an economy many people would be scared of joining because they are simply afraid of getting sick.
This year may end up being one of the dark spots in American history, not because of the coronavirus threat, but because of our shameful response to it. Asian and Western European countries seem to be getting through this a lot better than we are. The only explanation I can come up with is it's not just Donald Trump. It's that we have become soft and spiritually bankrupt as a nation.
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*2,000-3,000 Americans die a day
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To be fair, any American president would have struggled with this challenge.
But it took Donny Boy to really fuck things up as badly as he did, and then deny any and all responsibility for the consequences.
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Interesting. The Lincoln Project was actually started by the Republicans. Hmmmm!!!š¤
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ššFUCK YOU DONALD TRUMP!!!!šš
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Ok. So maybe I overreacted when I said " It's that we have become soft and spiritually bankrupt as a nation." But I just don't understand why we're going to do nothing and just open up and let what happens happens. We don't have to do that, and we don't have to keep the economy locked down either for that much longer. There is at least another option -- not an easy one -- but another one.
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Itās campaign season.
I donāt care if he gets elected again or not. I didnāt vote for him in 16... probably will in November. I would have voted for Joe in 16... but he got bullied by Hilary and the DNC early. That was his shot with me.... not now.
We all knew, he was fucked once the virus hit. How are you guys not saying the same stuff about Coumo and Newsome?
Couple of things fair minded people see:
1. Trump did not ignore the virus.
2. He did what the majority of the experts advised him to do. Both Democrats and Republicans supported the decisions.
3. Now the biggest part of the threat is over... there are enough hospital beds and ventilators. There was never a shortage of either... But Now all the peanut gallery people are saying, how he fucked it up.
I guess you can have that opinion... but... why not Coumo whoās state was ravaged? I think Coumo did a good job under the circumstances. But New Yorkās economy is wrecked and almost 20,000 dead. Heās a hero and Trumpās a goat?
OK... thatās not reasonable... but oh well. Itās tough for people who canāt see past their hate for Trump.
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@Night-Rider, Not to dismiss your comments, but this is about a whole lot more than Covid-19.
In my opinion, Trump is an existential threat to this country's democracy and standing in the international community. We have surrendered our leadership role in the world, our allies are laughing at us, and our international foes are probably doing much worse because they can smell blood in the water.
Historians have referred to the 1900's as the American Century, and most acknowledged that our time as the world's sole economic superpower would not last forever. However, I doubt anyone could have foreseen how quickly America's status would be so quickly demolished, and all it took was the election of a walking and talking Dunning-Kruger poster child.
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@KaiserSoce, Newsome and Cuomo might have been slow on the trigger, but at least they acted and took decisive action.
Meanwhile, Trump had the benefit of the best data available to anyone in the country, and he chose to ignore it. The US has had contingency plans on how to deal with something like this for many years, at least since the SARS outbreak in 2003, yet Trump failed to follow any of the advice in the playbook.
You really can't spin it any other way. The stories are already coming out about how he ignored the repeated warnings in the Presidential Daily Brief. That he got DAILY. Like, EVERY DAY back in JANUARY.
Of course, it must have been the fault of CDC and/or the Intelligence Community. Silly rabbits, they should have known that Trump doesn't read the PDB. They must have run out of crayons or something.
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"In my opinion, Trump is an existential threat to this country's democracy and standing in the international community."
Wow, existential threat? King? Dictator? As Time magazine opined, they had Trump pulling off a military coup, dismissing Congress and rounding up the opposition.
Not to make light of your opinion but do you really have so little respect for our system of government? No American would follow this man in a coup, half the country can barely stand him as a duly elected President. I can't watch him on tv or listen to him on the radio, it's embarrassing.
He will be gone in January 2021 or 2025, whichever. And, our system will survive him just as it survived each previous fuckup. And please don't get started on the American leadership/prestige thing. Not to pick on his predecessor but the Black Muslim guy was supposed to bring all that back. The truth is the world doesn't actually give a shit about that, they were laughing at our naivete. And, the laughter continues with DJT.
Our Rubicon is the debt bomb. We frittered away our future and comes a point when the music stops and there are no seats left. Nobody knows the tipping point but at $25 Trillion or whatever, we're a lot closer to it than ever.
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Lincoln Project = Kellyanne Conway's Trump-hating, moon-faced husband George Conway.
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Couple of things fair minded people see:
1. Trump did not ignore the virus.
Yes he did!
Peter Navarro sent him memos about the virus coming to the US he ignored and he called the the "Dems new hoax" at a rally.
You want talk about him stopping people from coming to the US from China 46,000 people came here after the weak order was placed.
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As to Cuomo, his sins were committed long before Covid hit our shores, from 2015 forward. And, he's not alone, Albany is a mess too.
It was de Blasio that killed so many, see link. New Yorker magazine is no bastion of conservatism and their guy did in depth research on de Blasio's response. It's a nightmare and the fact that more on this site don't talk about his direct impact on NYC deaths is disingenuous.
Trump, Trump, Trump.....meanwhile de Blasio kills people, tells them to follow the rules while he is chauffeured to a Brooklyn gym every day.
I'd like to think that you people are just uninformed. A cynic, on the other hand, might posit that you all ignore this because he's a Democrat.
Which is it?
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See what i mean?
With Doom Dood, it's all Trump's fault...Nobody else.
Yes, he absolutely made mistakes along the way and he did a few things right.
But, where is Congress? Where is our much vaunted intelligence agencies? Is it not THEIR job to warn both the President AND Congress about existential threats to our country?
We know that some members of Congress were selling their stock early on after attending various meetings and hearing about this novel coronavirus. Bot Dem and Reps were there.
What the fuck were they doing not saying anything?
You don't have to raise your hand and wait for someone to call on you in Washington, do you?
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We were so wrapped up in endless wars and developing Star Wars and spending trillions on defense that we forgot about the home front.
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Hereās a little bit of information. South Korea as of a few days ago had less than 1000 deaths. Because they did massive testing, and all the things that the United States shut up done. Trump has just given up. Leaving everything to the governors of each state so when this massive failure for lack of a federal response he can always say āitās the governorās faultā!
KaiserSoce why are you here! Not one lady in your network? I certainly did not join to be a blogger but as each passing year has come and gone with Trump as our president Iāve become more and more someone who wants to point out how horrible a man number 45 is!
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I would bet dollars to donuts that Kelly Ann is counting down the days until she can write a tell-all book about the orange baby.
George makes good money so I'm sure they'd be comfortable without her paycheck.
They are probably looking at a 8-figure payday in the next few years.
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You can blame all the governors and mayors and congressmen you want, but the plain and simple truth is that it is the JOB of the POTUS to deal with matters like this.
The entire structure of the US government is geared towards presenting him/her with the best available Intel so that the appropriate actions can be taken to mobilize the resources of the richest nation on Earth.. He has failed miserably at performing the tasks that are singularly reserved for him.
Trump wanted the job, but he probably thought all he had to do was sign documents and hold rallies. He is a piss-poor example of how to be a leader. We should be ashamed to admit to our children that this country ever elected such a corrupt and incompetent fool.
History will not treat him or the boot-licking GOP kindly.
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@GoBallsDeep. I had plenty of faith in our government and it's institutions before the GOP failed to keep Donny in check. The GOP has sold this country down-river for the sake of a temporary payday for their corporate overlords.
I don't EVER want to hear the GOP talk about morals and family values ever again. They have revealed to anyone with half a brain how completely hypocritical they are. Same thing for evangelicals that constantly preach about how godly our leaders should be, except when it comes to their lying, pussy-grabbing, and bible-illiterate golden-boy.
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Link to video in the OP in case you're reading on a phone
The second link has three other ads from the Lincoln Project in addition to the one in the first link.
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You guys can bitch about Trump all you want but the Democratic option in Joe Biden is lame. The guy is flat out senile at this stage. You cant be serious. That my friends is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
I would never vote Dem because of the fundamental liberal principles around immigration and the zest for big wasteful govt. Non sustainable waste.
And yes there are examples in NY where Cuomo and team fucked up waaay worse but you guys keep up with the Trump bashing. NY was totally unprepared but Fed gave them everything they asked for and Newsom is happy as well.
The Dems have been focused on pure trash over the past 3 1/2 years now to no avail... you would if Trump was really "bad" it would be obvious but it's not. As usual the media keeps beating that anti-Trump drum.
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^^^ Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah fucking Blah
The Dems have been focused on pure trash over the past 3 1/2 years now to no avail.
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Ok, if Trump screwed up and didn't act fast enough..
What were the Democrats doing in January when this virus started up....
Oh that's right they were trying to impeach Trump.
We did not hear a single thing from ANY democrat at that time...except that the travel ban was racist and totally unnecessary. Wake up...your fucking Democrats did even less than Trump.
Nancy was telling everyone to come to ChinaTown...and so was de Blasio in New York. But people seem to have selective memories....even Fauci was saying it wasn't that bad and the U.S. didn't have to worry.....
Bash Trump but kick every one of your Democratic leaders as well, since we heard no alarms, no plans, no nothing.....just impeachment. If this pandemic was as horrendous as everyone is now saying, shouldn't they have dropped everything and passed some bills in Congress....they didn't know either and quite honestly didn't care. We still hear no real plans from Biden or Nancy....just Monday Morning Quarterbacking.....when the ball was snapped back then, they weren't even in the fucking game.......
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Simply put, the Democrats were not the ones receiving the most detailed intel. Trump was.
Even if Trump was unable to focus on more than one thing at a time (after all, that's a skill that toddlers don't have), perhaps he could have spent 10 minutes actually reading the PDB during the motorcade ride to his gold course or on Air Force One while flying to one of his rallies.
Oh wait. Impeachment.
Yeah, right.
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Who initiated the travel ban.......
And who screamed bloody murder that it was racist and unnecessary or did you forget that minor detail......
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You guys make me laugh with your Look a Republican effort to stop Trump. Guess what the only thing that will stop him is an election. Keep Drooling over today's media candy please.
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He is not as great as his people say.
He is not as bad as his detractors say.
I hope that we get someone that people like so we can get on with our lives. The virus is the enemy....The Virus.
Get off his D**k and concentrate on bringing our businesses back. I assume that most of us are business owners so stop watching CNN MSNBC or FOX and get back at it. Fuck the PPP money and go make money ourselves.
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W. Bush got a second term after 9/11.
So....Kanye shrugs.
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hyder....+100000000000000000000000000000000000000
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I'm waiting for someone to create a "Stone Cold Losers" mix tape.
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I should start a mortuary business, because some of you underestimate the risk our there.
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When disasters strike, it is the common folk who suffer while the Democrats, Republicans, corporate media continue life as normal.
Choose between a senile, creepy uncle, or the 73 y/o incumbent who was up at 1am name calling on twitter.
Kellyanne goes to work where her boss has publicly called her husband a loser again (Trump did it previously in 2019).
This has got to be one big ruse.
Still, I find this hilarious.
Perhaps Kanye can make that mix tape.
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I don't think that Trump is evil. I actually think he did the best he could. He's simply not up to the task. He made multiple serious mistakes along the way which means he is simply not qualified to continue on as President:
1. He seemed to ignore the intelligence given to him in January about how serious coronavirus was. His comments suggest this is so ("fifteen people with it, and it will go to zero soon").
2. He did close the border with China, and eventually with Europe but it was too porous, letting thousands of people through, enough to start the spread here.
3. He did buy time with somewhat closing the borders, but he did nothing with this time. No mass ramp-up of testing, contact tracing, and quarantine program like they did in South Korea at the same time. No leading the states to initiate mitigation strategies that could have prevented complete shutdowns of the economy.
4. When the number of cases was starting to grow exponentially, he did nothing. It was the governors that saved us by initiating austere shutdown measures, which wouldn't have been necessary if earlier action had taken place.
5. He wasn't aggressive at getting what the governors needed sooner. Instead, the governors had to put a lot of pressure on Trump to get what they needed. There shouldn't have been any need for this.
6. He undermined the shutdown efforts of the governors by siding with the protestors. He has given mixed signals about the shutdown, confusing the public.
7. As he has now sided with the protestors over the governors by saying we need to open the economy and shutdowns need to end, he seems to be undermining his own detailed plan at slowly opening up the economy to prevent spikes in infections by allowing governors to open up when the number of cases are still rising in many areas, without creating a sizable testing, contract tracing, and quarantining program to counter this problem. Instead, he is ending his Coronavirus Task Force at a time it is most needed to aid states in ramping up a testing program. Is he going to become even more passive during a time thousands of Americans die every day from the Coronavirus while a population in fear of getting sick might not feel comfortable going back to work or to dine out or to go shopping? This shows a continued absence of leadership when it is needed most.
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He made things a lot worse by painting a pretty picture of the situation instead of trying to get in front of the pending crisis. That is his disastrous huge mistake.
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We can all monday morning quarterback.
But we saw nothing coming from Fauci, nothing from the Democrats, no one really saw this coming....it was thought to be like SARS.....but found out different.
I truly believe we would have been far worse off, since I doubt any Democrat would have closed our borders to China and Europe until we were so overrun that it would have been a bloodbath.
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And we all know how ill prepared Cuomo was.....he had countless previous reports telling him they needed more ventilators in a pandemic and he did NOTHING. Also, Obama resupplied the surplus but did NOT focus on the PPE that would be expiring....so we got caught short from the stockpile.
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If all you can argue that others weren't so great either (to a lesser degree, I might add), that's a distraction from the main argument that Trump really stunk it up.
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All anyone here is saying that they THINk it could be done better. You dont know cus you aren't the guy pulling the trigger.
Faucci as late as February was saying it's nothing to worry about. I'd imagine he had the SAME information as Trump did. He's a hero and you say Trump is an idiot.... go figure.if a person was in office with a D by your name you'd be lynching the Dr. Cus he got it wrong
I know this we are better off than having all you monday morning quarterbacks talking out you ass wondering if China will be nice to us if we dont call em out on their bullshit.
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It all boils down to the following question: In a time of NATIONAL CRISIS, where does the responsibility lie?
If you get in a car accident because you were relying on your dog to steer the vehicle while YOU are in the driver's seat, is the dog at fault? If that is what you think, the police and your insurance company are definitely going to disagree.
If Trump were the governor of some state (take your pick), no one would be criticizing him for whatever he did or didn't do. But he is not. He is the POTUS, a job that he campaigned for.
Night-Rider nailed it. While Trump may not be Satan-on-Earth, he most certainly does not have the skillset and demeanor to be POTUS.
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@PH if he had been the Gov of NY and been on TV everyday like Cuomo youd be calling for his head and don't even lie and say you wouldn't.
Ya'll hate him there is no doubt but I honestly believe what I said if it was anyone with a D you'd be lynching Fauci on the Mall and painting the Lincoln memorial with his blood.
Plenty of right and wrong to go around and the second guessing of a bunch of posers don't change a fricking thing.
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@wunanddun: In my opinion, Fauci and Birx have their hands tied behind their backs. They can't speak freely because they know that the two-year-old in the Oval will have a temper tantrum.
They are trying to very carefully navigate the waters of simultaneously managing Trump and the US response. They realize that they are the adults in the room.
It's the same thing that Mattis, Sessions, Tillerson, John Kelly et al were trying to do before they finally got pushed out. Imagine if Fauci and Birx were replaced with bootlicking Yes-Men along the lines of Barr, Esper, and Pompeo.
Trump is behaving exactly the way you would expect a rich undisciplined child to behave. And the GOP leadership is encouraging him.
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If Trump were governor of NY, that would mean we had someone competent in the WH that would probably have saved Trump from himself.
I'm sure you know the old saying: You either lead, follow, or get out of the way. Trump is not doing any of those things, yet he wants to be credited as a "wartime president".
Again, he's behaving like a freakin child.
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Oh by the way...
The Lincoln Project is gaining steam
Nice to see that Trump was able to help out.
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And, interesting op-ed from the founder of the Lincoln Project himself.
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Love this excerpt:
"He claims to be a āgenius,ā even though he apparently canāt spell, canāt punctuate, canāt do math and lacks geographic literacy, and even though his own appointees have privately called him a āmoron,ā an āidiot,ā a ādope,ā and ādumb.ā Now, God help us, he fancies himself an expert in virology and infectious diseases."
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Do some reading...
"She added, āI guess I would turn the question back on the media, and ask similar questions.
Does Vox want to take back that they proclaimed the coronavirus would not be a deadly pandemic?
Does The Washington Post want to take back that they told Americans to get a grip, the flu is bigger than the coronavirus.
Does The Washington Post likewise want to take back that our brains are causing us to exaggerate the threat of the coronavirus.
Does The New York Times want to take back that fear of the virus may be spreading faster than the virus itself.
Does NPR want to take back that the flu was a much bigger threat than the coronavirus?
And finally, once again The Washington Post, would they like to take back that the government should not respond aggressively to the coronavirus.ā She then wrapped up the briefing and left."
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