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May 31 2020 07:58PM more by sherkahn
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This is how it’s done. It’s not them, I’d not your side, it’s not my side.


It’s us. Moving and working together.
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May 31 2020 08:08PM     link to this

That’s why we can’t have good things.
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May 31 2020 08:41PM     link to this

Sherkahn,

The difference is Flint hadn’t exploded.

The Chief in Minnesota fired the officers after a TWO DAY review. He said Friday that all the involved officers should be prosecuted. That is light speed. The DA brought charges in less than a week on the knee/neck officer and charges are forthcoming for the others.

If they were rioting in Flint, he wouldn’t be taking selfies. He had the benefit of watching for days before it came to Flint.

That’s not critical of him... he is doing right... but he had/has some advantages other cities didn’t have... the main ones being time and hindsight.

They say, “Experience is the best teacher.”

Yes. Particularly if you can learn from OTHER people’s experience.
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May 31 2020 11:10PM     link to this

I agree, the sheriff does not have the pressure of a crisis on his back, but he isn’t doing what other law enforcement in other cities are doing by adding to the pressure cooker.
And I applaud him for it.
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Jun 1 2020 06:58AM     link to this

If you haven't shot some looters by now
You're not doing your job

Stack them like cordwood
Don't notify next of kin
Burn the bodies
No future I'D
Completely forgotten and unknown
Fuck 'em

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Jun 1 2020 07:09AM     link to this

As someone else said that would for sure take care of the problem light speed.

Drones flying surveillance if they are caught on camera then they are target #1

It's the follow up arson after looting that really sucks

Black lives matter but not if your looting and causing chaos
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Jun 1 2020 07:14AM     link to this

"Black lives matter but not if your looting and causing chaos"



What the fuck?

This is as bad as your "Thin the Herd comment"
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Jun 1 2020 07:24AM     link to this

I never said "thin the herd"
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Jun 1 2020 07:28AM     link to this

Let me get this straight so you're saying the lives of black people (don't matter) if they are looting and causing chaos because another cop wrongly killed a black person on video for the 20th time since 2014.

Dude you are so really fucked up!
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Jun 1 2020 07:56AM     link to this

Let me get this straight peabrain...

You think the multitude of colored people have the RIGHT to riot and loot business of innocent people because one guy was murdered by a cop.

Clearly you dont work, you live with mommy and get SSI assistance. You dont know what It means to be a responsible adult, own a business and own property.

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Jun 1 2020 07:58AM     link to this

I did not realize that looting carried a death sentence.
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Jun 1 2020 08:07AM     link to this

""Black lives matter but not if your looting and causing chaos"

You said black people lives don't matter.
THATS SOME RACIST SHIT!
That as bad as the mind set of the cop the put his knee on George Floyd's neck.


Do you know for a fact the people that initially broke into the stores was even black?

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Jun 1 2020 08:46AM     link to this

Looters come in all colors dumb fuck
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Jun 1 2020 08:48AM     link to this

How to deescalate this?

Start shooting looters.

Large amounts of tear gas should be deployed.

Rubber bullets must be deployed in large quantities against anyone out past stated curfews.

National Guard must be deployed en masse to protect all churches, national monuments, schools, and shopping centers. High end shopping areas are being strategically targeted. Make loudspeaker announcements that looters will be shot on site. And then do it.

Watch how fast this bullshit comes to a stop.

This is yet another planned event to attempt to influence the 2020 election. It won't be the last. Wake up, people and realize what's going on around you, and how you are being manipulated.
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Jun 1 2020 08:54AM     link to this

Dude Lebowski said:

"Let me get this straight so you're saying the lives of black people (don't matter) if they are looting and causing chaos because another cop wrongly killed a black person on video for the 20th time since 2014. Dude you are so really fucked up!"


OK, so let ME get this straight. 20 murders of black men in 6 years. That's between 3 and 4 murders a year. And that's what we're talking about here, murders.

So let me axe you this, Dude. How many blacks are murdered in Chicago every single day? Where is the media? Where are the black church leaders? Where is Jesse Jackson? Where is Al Sharpton? Where are the protests? Where are the riots and the looting over these murders? That's a thousand a year, six thousand murdered in Chicago, compared to 20 Floyds during the same time period.

This is NOT about racism. This has been hijacked by subversive groups and promoted by the media as yet another attack on the American people. Why? To impact the results of the 2020 election.

20 murders vs. 6000. Do the math. A four year-old could do it.

And wake up, people! They want us divided. And we shouldn't be.
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Jun 1 2020 09:12AM     link to this

There more than 6. CNN has a video of the blacks killed both men and women killed since 2014.
Its really not about the exact number because the cases that get on TV are just the ones where people catch them on tape.
I think the reason black people are so mad is because for every one caught on tape there like 100 cases that nobody will ever know about though out the US.
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Jun 1 2020 09:23AM     link to this

You guys are all nuts.
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Jun 1 2020 09:57AM     link to this

@Dude:

I call you out on your numbers you stated in your argument...

You reply, "It's not really about the numbers."

My reply: You are very much full of shit.
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Jun 1 2020 10:02AM     link to this

Our country is totally fractured and, with our weak leadership in Washington, you can expect these type riots and looting in other places. Can you imagine what Putin and all of our friends and enemies throughout the world are saying about the U.S. as they watch the Floyd riots? China laughs at us and our president over the riots!
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Jun 1 2020 10:56AM     link to this

What numbers dumb ass? I don't know the exact numbers of black people killed by police since 2014. Again the exact numbers are not relevant because these are only the cases on tape that made news.
Do you know the actually numbers of blacks killed by police in the US since 2014 dumbass?



Here are (15) recent high-profile cases of deaths of blacks in the U.S. during police encounters:
NOT 6 like you said. (15) cases!!

Freddie Gray
Six Baltimore officers were involved in the arrest and in-custody death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man who died after being injured in a Baltimore police van, touching off weeks of protest.
Prosecutors in July 2016 dropped all remaining charges after acquittals and a hung jury. The U.S. Department of Justice then decided not to bring federal civil rights charges. Gray's family agreed to a $6.4 million settlement with the city in September 2015.

Sam Dubose
A judge in July dismissed charges against Ray Tensing, a white former University of Cincinnati officer who fatally shot Sam DuBose, an unarmed black motorist, during a 2015 traffic stop.
The judge's decision came after a prosecutor declined to pursue a third murder trial; the first two ended in hung juries. Tensing has said he feared he could be dragged or run over as DuBose tried to drive away. The university fired Tensing, restructured its public safety department and reached a $5.3 million settlement that includes free undergraduate tuition for DuBose's 13 children.


Philando Castile
. Anthony, Minn., officer Jeronimo Yanez was acquitted of manslaughter in June in the fatal shooting of Philando Castile, a black motorist who had just informed the officer that he was carrying a gun.
The case in suburban St. Paul garnered immediate attention because Castile's girlfriend streamed the aftermath live on Facebook. Yanez testified that Castile was pulling his gun out of his pocket despite his commands not to do so. Castile's mother reached a $3 million settlement and his girlfriend was paid $800,000 by the City of St. Anthony and others.


Terence Crutcher
An Oklahoma jury in May found white Tulsa police officer Betty Jo Shelby not guilty of first-degree manslaughter in the 2016 death of Terence Crutcher, 40, who was shot shortly after Shelby arrived to find Crutcher's SUV stopped in the middle of the road.
Shelby testified that she was afraid because Crutcher didn't obey her commands and appeared to reach inside his vehicle. Prosecutors told jurors that Shelby over-reacted, noting that videos from a patrol car dashboard and a police helicopter showed Crutcher had his hands in the air and did not have a weapon.

Alton Sterling
Federal prosecutors announced in May they would not seek charges against two white police officers who were involved in a deadly encounter with Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Lo., last summer.
Sterling, 37, was shot to death on July 5, 2016, as the officers pinned him to the pavement outside a convenience store where he had been selling CDs. The killing was captured on cellphone video and circulated widely online, sparking demonstrations across the city. U.S. Attorney Corey Amundson said Sterling was armed during the confrontation and the investigation didn't find enough evidence to pursue charges. State authorities are investigating.


Jamar Clark
Jamar Clark's November 2015 shooting death sparked weeks of protests in Minneapolis, Minn.
Two white officers, Mark Ringgenberg and Dustin Schwarze, were trying to arrest the 24-year-old when he was shot once in the head. He died a day later. Some witnesses said Clark was handcuffed when he was shot, but federal and state probes concluded that he was not.
Investigators said Ringgenberg felt Clark's hand trying to grab his weapon and shouted to Schwarze, who then shot Clark. Prosecutors did not choose to charge either officer, and an internal police investigation cleared them.

Jeremy McDole
Jeremy McDole, 28, was sitting in his wheelchair when he was shot and killed in September 2015 in Wilmington, Del., after police received a 911 call about a man with a gun.
A bystander's cellphone footage showed police officers repeatedly telling McDole to drop his weapon and raise his hands, with McDole reaching for his waist area before shots erupted. The Delaware attorney general's office did not criminally charge the four officers involved. A federal judge approved the city's $1.5 million settlement with McDole's family.

William Chapman II
Former Portsmouth, Va., police officer Stephen Rankin was sentenced last October to two and a half years in prison for fatally shooting William Chapman II while responding to a shoplifting call outside a Walmart on April 22, 2015.
Prosecutors allege Rankin killed the unarmed 18-year-old "willfully, deliberately and with premeditation." Some witnesses said Chapman was combative, and one said he knocked away Rankin's stun gun. Rankin, who is white, was fired.

Walter Scott
Former North Charleston, S.C., patrolman Michael Slager was sentenced to 20 years in prison in the April 2015 shooting of Walter Scott, 50.
Slager had stopped Scott for a broken brake light. Slager claimed he opened fire � five of his eight bullets hit Scott � because he felt threatened after the motorist tried to take his stun gun during a struggle.
But a bystander captured the encounter on video and the judge found that Slager had obstructed justice by lying to investigators. Slager, 36, is one of the few U.S. police officers in recent years to receive prison time for an on-duty shooting.


Eric Harris
Former Tulsa County volunteer sheriff's deputy Robert Bates, 74, was sentenced in 2016 to four years in prison for second-degree manslaughter in the April 2, 2015 death of Eric Harris, 44, who was unarmed and restrained.
Bates, who is white, has said he confused his stun gun with his handgun. That shooting led to the temporary suspension of the reserve deputy program after a report found poor training of the volunteer officers, a lack of oversight and cronyism.

Tamar Rice
Tamir Rice, 12, was fatally shot by a white Cleveland police officer in a recreational area in November 2014. Officers were responding to a report of a man waving a gun.
The boy had a pellet gun tucked in his waistband and was shot after the officers' cruiser skidded to a stop, just feet away. A grand jury in December 2015 declined to indict patrolman Timothy Loehmann, who fired the fatal shot, and training officer Frank Garmback. The city settled Rice's family's lawsuit for $6 million. Cleveland in May fired Loehmann and suspended Garmback for 10 days. The officers' union called the discipline politically motivated.

Akai Gurley
Rookie New York City police officer Peter Liang was convicted of manslaughter last year in the November 2014 death of 28-year-old Akai Gurley.
Liang, an American of Chinese descent, said he was patrolling a public housing high-rise with his gun drawn when a sound startled him and he fired accidentally. A bullet ricocheted off a wall, hitting Gurley. A judge reduced the conviction to negligent homicide and sentenced Liang to five years' probation and 800 hours of community service. The city settled with Gurley's family for $4.1 million.

Michael Brown
Michael Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old, was fatally shot by a white officer, Darren Wilson, in August 2014 in Ferguson, Mo.
A grand jury declined to indict Wilson, and the U.S. Justice Department opted against civil rights charges. Wilson later resigned. The death of Brown led to months of sometimes violent protests and became a catalyst for the Black Lives Matter movement.

Eric Garner
Eric Garner, 43, died in July 2014 in New York City after a white officer placed him in a chokehold during an arrest for selling loose cigarettes. A grand jury declined to indict that officer, or any others involved in the arrest. The city agreed to pay a $6 million civil settlement.



George Floyd- Minn May 2020
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Jun 1 2020 11:39AM     link to this

We are so fucked!

Mommy taught Doofy copy/paste


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Jun 1 2020 11:42AM     link to this

Here you go, Dude...

But if whitey don't do the killin' then it don't count???

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Jun 1 2020 11:46AM     link to this

I think Democrats have just lost the next election.. and they know it.
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Jun 1 2020 11:47AM     link to this

"I call you out on your numbers you stated in your argument... "

You're changing the subject dude. Deal with your bullshit numbers.
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Jun 1 2020 12:00PM     link to this

Lost the next election?

Trump just handed it to them on a silver plate this weekend. He bent over and said “give it to me hard”.

As soon as you saw the light go out at the White House, you saw a leader of nation show fear.
Even dogs know you don’t show fear.
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Jun 1 2020 12:03PM     link to this

if they are dead . no more conflict!
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Jun 1 2020 12:31PM     link to this

It’s never going to stop until we can all respect each other no matter what race. It has nothing to do with presidential race or any of the other bullshit they are trying to kick, we as people need to come together.
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Jun 1 2020 12:51PM     link to this

But there are people who de-escalate the situation like the good sheriff above, and then there is people like Trump who cannot help but make things worse.


“Most of you are weak,” Trump said. “You have to arrest people.”

“You have to dominate, if you don't dominate you're wasting your time,” he said, according to a senior staffer in a governor’s office who was listening to the call. “They're going to run over you, you're going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate.”

Holy shit.
This is not war against a foreign invader.
These are your own citizens who are hurt and expressing their American rights to vent grievances (looters not withstanding).
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Jun 1 2020 12:54PM     link to this

Doofy &his transtesticle alias ShillyKahn . Go get some Fotys ,have yo Mammy cook up some nice sliced Spam & Eggs with a side of Okra ,chase it all down with sum Purple Drink ,then head back to the Xbox and continue that BlueBoiBrokeBack game from that Target store you acquired last night.
If you Mammy finds out about your adventures she gonna tan your azz home slice .
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^BigOnes
Doing his daily incoherent wyatt shill babble again.
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Jun 1 2020 01:32PM     link to this

@DoofeyShillaKahn , keep on with the hysterical rhetoric and fanning the flames for the HX faithfull .
Your spinning in circles , looking for anyone to blame, but the man in the mirror knows better .
Rainman , you have no game , just big amounts of bullsht spewing like a bad case of Diarrhea
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Jun 1 2020 01:54PM     link to this

When people are setting buildings on fire, burning people's businesses to the ground....they should be arrested.

When people are doing wholesale damage to the property of others, smashing store fronts, doors and tearing down fixtures and displays......they should be arrested.

When people are driving up in cars and loading trunk fulls of products into their vans from someone else's store....they should be arrested.

When people load an ATM into the back of their pickup....they should be arrested.

I don't care race, color, age, nationality, sexual persuasion.....

We need to be a nation of laws and these acts are criminal....

Trump and the rest of the country is watching as Mayors are looking the other way and NOT engaging in any protection for these store owners. Police are 'standing down' and letting it all occur.

That is what he is calling weak. Why should a store owner lose everything just because his or her mayor is trying to be politically correct?

Two wrongs don't make a right.......
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Jun 1 2020 01:59PM     link to this

Dude your post made sense up until you posted the word Trump then you went way left.
Maybe you live in a bubble but the National Guard has been on the streets in Hollywood since yesterday,
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Jun 1 2020 02:06PM     link to this

The National Guard is NOT arresting anyone nor engaging anyone....

They are merely 'holding ground' for the local law enforcement.

You obviously haven't watched what has been happening city by city for the past 5 days.....

270 buildings in Minneapolis/St. Paul have been damaged or burned to the ground...and the mayor did what?????
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Jun 1 2020 02:08PM     link to this

The mistreatment of Blacks has been going on since they came to the U.S.,
and it seems there are still plenty of issues regarding how they are treated now,
in spite of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
However, the looting and vandalism was not just committed by Blacks,
indicating other social issues at play.
Since the govt. apparently won't protect your livelihood or property, since they
don't want the criminals hurt, owners will now start arming themselves to protect
their property.
As long as the looters and vandals are not severely punished, they will continue
their crime spree. So far little is being done to deal with these criminals.
Libs want you to run, while conservatives want to shoot to protect themselves and
their property.
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Jun 1 2020 02:08PM     link to this

Did you watch what occurred in Santa Monica and Long Beach last night...obviously NOT.

Fires were started, whole streets of store front windows were smashed, looters emptied shelves and nothing happened.
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Jun 1 2020 02:11PM     link to this

Yes, the looting is all races.....and we don't want to get back to a time where store owners are sitting in their stores, fully armed and there to protect their livelihoods....but if this anarchy continues, that may be the next step which is exactly what Trump cautioned about when he said when looting starts, shooting starts.....
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Jun 1 2020 02:14PM     link to this

"You obviously haven't watched what has been happening city by city for the past 5 days...."

What the fuck are you talking about Ive been around it.

Btw way when is the President going to address the nation.
You have protest in all 50 states and all he does is call Governors on the phone and tweet bullshit.

We have a President who is morally bankrupt.
His past statements have been so bad and so bigoted that he's not even attempting to address the American people on this issue.
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Jun 1 2020 02:19PM     link to this

The National Guard has just surrounded the White House....when has that happened before?
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Jun 1 2020 02:24PM     link to this

During the Furgeson riot Trump blamed Obama. Now that "this" keeps escalating and escalating and Trump cowers in his bunker sending incendiary tweets....it's the mayor's fault. Covid he blamed the Governors and Obama, and the CDC, and China and etc. Does he have any purpose except to blame others and make things worse?
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Jun 1 2020 02:24PM     link to this

"Libs want you to run, while conservatives want to shoot to protect themselves and
their property. "

Dude thats stupid Liberals and maybe you looters of either party have guns too.


Curfew in LA is 6pm again tonight.
jazz51
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Jun 1 2020 02:41PM     link to this

Dude....

The crime and looting and burning is occurring in cities that are in States.

Have you never read the Constitution....??? Obviously NOT.

The President can obviously step in if NATIONAL defense is needed or if it is clearly determined that the state cannot or will not address its problem

Every time something happens, people look to the Federal government....the Feds already are involved in WAY too much shit.

This is a local and state matter. The FBI and DOJ can get involved in the original murder of George Floyd as a 'hate crime'. But theft, looting, arson, etc. has no a damn thing to do with the Federal government.

Way too many people were behind the door when they studied civics and government.
jazz51
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Jun 1 2020 02:43PM     link to this

There are specific enumerate powers given to the Federal government and everything else is left to the states to deal with......so the mayors and governors need to step up and address their problems.
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Jun 1 2020 02:48PM     link to this

SECTION 2 of the Constitution.....

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

SECTION 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
jazz51
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Jun 1 2020 02:50PM     link to this

AMENDMENT V of the Constitution.....

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

AMENDMENT VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
DudeLebowski
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Jun 1 2020 02:52PM     link to this

Dude its the pictures of military surrounding the White House.
It shows the instability of the country and these pictures play though out the world
jazz51
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Jun 1 2020 02:53PM     link to this

and the critical item....

AMENDMENT X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Please read the Constitution.....our forefathers actually were pretty smart....and far too many people are dumb today.....we are a collection of States...united.....and the Federal Government has far over reached in what it does on a daily basis
jazz51
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Jun 1 2020 02:54PM     link to this

Well I guess when we have people in our country who are hell bent on burning, looting and damaging property, we need to protect our government buildings, including the White House.....

Sad but very true.
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Jun 1 2020 02:57PM     link to this

@ DOOFEY SHILLIKAHN . .man in the mirror rainman , make the change , it starts with you
You are fanning the flames with the bullsht you are spewing , just stand down cubscout
DudeLebowski
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Jun 1 2020 02:58PM     link to this

The protestors outside of the White House today have been peaceful.
This spectacle with all the soldiers seems like another Trump show.

Dude the Constitution has nothing to do with whats going on today.
Stop the copy/paste of it.
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