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My friends in the service are saying that base commanders are trying to find ways to get their troops back to base before some higher up does something stupid and gets them to assault civilians.
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from tom cotton-
As of Thursday morning, 32,400 members of the National Guard had been activated due to civil unrest -- a sizeable jump from 20,400 just a few days ago.
"But, the bottom line is, on a four-to-one measure Americans support using the National Guard to put down riots and looters. By a two-to-one measure, they support using the active-duty troops if necessary," Cotton explained to Smith and Henry.
"That’s the simple case [that] I made in this op-ed. That there is both a legal basis and long historical precedent for using our National Guard and, if necessary, federal troops to put down domestic violence."
--- American people are for active troops to help put out the riots and looting 2-1
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Read the whole damn letter carefully then post about it.
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I have a hard time reading shit where the highlights are out of whack
when he says - trump does not try or pretend? lost me
btw when someone makes a statement like that? can you actually see how subjective that statement is? feel the hate? you know they hate each other
it's the same people over and over.
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Trump Derangement Syndrome has only one cure.
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was pretty funny though....READ the whole damn article 
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Where do I sign up?
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In my opinion Mattis doesn't have much faith in the troops if he thinks troops and commanders will blindly follow orders that will ultimately lead to aggression against their fellow citizens. For that matter neither does OP or people of OPs ilk.
I read on the internet .... My LE friends posted... My military family.... How many of these posts do we have to read before someone calls bullshit?
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...The UCMJ [Uniform Code of Military Justice] articles make clear that obedience is only required for lawful orders. Patently or manifestly illegal orders impose no duty of obedience on the service member and instead mandate disobedience. In fact, a service member who obeys an illegal order is individually culpable for the crime and cannot later assert “following orders” as a defense.
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However, the oath of enlistment clearly states they will defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Did antifa get declared a terrorist organization? I haven't kept up today.
Will Trump use that as a potential stalking horse to order in troops?
And you're right, the military only has to obey lawful military orders. "Interpreting" vague orders always gets someone in trouble.
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Americans want the guard activated 72 percent
Americans want the active military 58 percent
people are scared and want law and order
on the other hand-
there is a push for the police to be abolished and cut back..."defund the police"
liberal cities are entertaining that now...NYC wants to cut a billion dollars from the police...LA has identified 10 percent/150million right now to cut.
based on the numbers above? 72 percent and 58 percent.
trump has the left fighting for the stupid side again....should be a landslide
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yes let's defund the police.. that should help those african american innercity neighbours to get a lot safer and better.. LOL.
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mothers in Chicago are begging for more policing
with the eye-opening inactions protecting the cities with these riots, the overactions to delay the economy coming back in blue cities and states (trump effect)....then seeing how they were ok with the crowds in protesting, but not to go to church or work a week earlier?
people are not stupid forever
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Federal officers from all over the country. All different agencies. No name tags most with no agency identification. The chain of command was broken so high up they couldn't know. The military medevac helicopter violated restricted air space...
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Officers take the Oath of Office. I remember that because of having to study the Mail Lai incident of so long ago. Very, Very loosely put officers can say "no" if the order is illegal or goes against the constitution.
I stand by the letter that General Jim Mattis wrote. I feel he's right
"We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that
our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we
should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare
occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we
witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—
between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground
that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and
the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are
a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders
who best understand their communities and are answerable to them."
You can call in the national guard but that's up to each state conditionally to quell riots not protests. It's about keeping the peace not suppressing free speech. Something extremists on the left AND the right are either intentionally or unintentionally suppressing.
What irks me are the insults; some people here act like children. Personal attacks are divisive, abhorrent and petulant.
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^^^ This place is nothing but insults.
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"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of....
Please note that they put "insure domestic tranquility" in front of almost everthing, dummies.
"Woodrow Wilson Mann, the mayor of Little Rock, asked President Eisenhower to send federal troops to enforce integration and protect the nine students. On September 24, the President ordered the 101st Airborne Division of the United States Army—without its black soldiers, who rejoined the division a month later—to Little Rock and federalized the entire 10,000-member Arkansas National Guard, taking it out of Governor Faubus's control."
Anybody here have a problem with protecting young children on their way to school?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
You dumb fucks know practically nothing yet feel free to opine by barfing up a post.
Federal troops are not unprecedented and the majority of Americans would welcome the fucking respite from stupidity.
Frankly, I and the military members in my family are philosophically opposed to it and if the moronic blue state governors would accept the NG, this shit would be over. These fuckasses actually care for nothing but to be PC, so they can get you idiots to vote for them.
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Oh yeah, Fuck you pembrush asshole!
Just kidding dude, that was totally fucked of me, but you did ask for it, sorry
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Gbd... love you bro... but that post won’t last... if you know what I mean.
And.... ok... I don’t mind if they defund the police.
I’m prepared.
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Yeah, I tossed but that is basic fucking American History which they don't teach in the shit schools I'm paying a ton of taxes for.
That does make me a bit angry that there's so many clueless fucks on this site and in this country on the basics.
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In almost every National Disaster the states call for National Gaurd assistance. They are there to help provide assistance to communities for the distribution of food and whatever aid from is appropriate from search and rescue to the distribution of food and water, and also the enforcement of curfews and the prevention of looting and rioting.
When states are overwhelmed by the task at hand , when the manpower of city and state agencies are taxed to their limit (like in this case) the National Gaurd is there and has been for their assistance. The people politicizing the situation are the elected officials refusing to allow them to be called up or handcuffing them in the execution of their duties just so the President fails to look effective in this time of national crisis.
I know of in in incidents where the chain of command has failed. I also know of incidents recently where the political class (civilian and regrettably the DC military class) have worked against an elected official and the states policies he has attempted to implement. Not because the policies were unlawful but because they had fundamental disagreements with it.
When I listen to the Secretary of Defense and General Mattis their words are not read without my mind being open to the possibility that have merit. The President should choose his words and phrasing better (without a doubt!!!). But the gist of his words still hold true, the lawlessness we are witnessing must end. And arguement over whether the National Guard should be called up in these areas and unchained from the bindings of mayors and governors to limit any amount of physical force to enforce the very curfews put in place BY THEM is antithetical to the imposition of the curfew itself and oath that each of these officials took when they came to office.
Ask the people not rioting and demonstrating after curfew hours if they feel safe in their homes. When the stores are empty where do these lawless individuals go next? They have on LIVE TV and on YouTube proclaimed that YOUR neighborhood isn't safe.
It behooves the elected official to protect its businesses and citizenry just as much and with the same zeal as it they protect someone's right to speech and demonstrate. Failure to do so is taking one side over the other and placing the burden of protection on the citizens... People are being killed and severely injured every day by mobs of misguided youngsters who are acting out at the encouragement of people that should no better. Do you think that you are helping these young people some of whom will get caught, prosecuted and jailed!!! Ruining their lives and staining their reputations making it harder them to get a job and earn their own place in society ... all so that you along with the state and municipal officials can say ... I hate the President.
Congratulations...we already knew that.
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^ you fucked up by making too much sense, dude
Irrationality is the hallmark of Progressives and the Far Right
Reminds of the Churchill story,
Woman clutching her pearls says to Winston
"Sir, you're drunk!"
Winston says "Yes, madam! And, you're ugly!"
"Tomorrow, I shall be sober"
Tomorrow, the Progressive will still be dumb as a rock.
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I find it amusing that most right wingers are paranoid vs the govt. so they need guns and ammo to "protect" themselves. It was a month ago that they said don't be a sheep and don't listen to the govt. and let them out of the quarantine so they can get their haircut. A month later they want us to follow instructions from the govt. like a bunch of sheep.
The reality is most Right wingers have "selective" memories and only turn to facts when those narrative that fits them. So when GBD say things like Libtard will be stupid tomorrow he must be speaking about himself because due to overwhelming facts he only pay attention to those narrative the fit his gender.
While I hate the fact that the country is going up a in flame like a paperbag burning in shit, maybe this is what we need to change the course of our country for equality for all. Hell GBD probably support king George when we had the Boston Tea Party. If I'm correct those "protestors" are probably rioters as well.
Remember kids today rioters are tomorrow patriots and the army we can today is the army we fight in the future. That's the history of our country
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If they defund the police, what will they use to scare people the next time they want to raise taxes....oh, that's right, they still have the fire fighters....but of course, we will probably need more of them, since there will be more burning buildings....LOL.
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"In politics when you are in doubt what to do, do nothing … when you are in doubt what to say, say what you really think."
-Winston Churchill
Kinda like "defunding the police"
Anger makes people say and do stupid things. Although some people do and say stupid things all the time; that's why we have laws and police to enforce them.
To clarify on the use of the national guard and the insurrection act; there's a place for both but not for a photo opportunity. As much as you may disagree with the words of the protesters; the military is to protect our constitutional rights not to quell them.
Also, GBD you fucker.
I have nothing against swearing but insults put someone who's reading on the defensive and less willing to read what you have to say. Hard to avoid. Although to be fair I have to take myself to task on that. I do not abide conspiracy theorists and lies for profit (psychic readers, Infowarez et all).
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Gooners ... you are not mentioning the fact that people who supported stay at home (like me) did so willingly with he understanding that the mission was to flatten the curve and reduce the possibility of overwhelming the Hospital system.
Mission accomplished about a month ago....
You are also forgetting to mention that places that are seeing the most civil unrest are the places with the highest levels of infection. Admittedly the places probably see the highest levels of inappropriate police action but your comments are only casting aspersions of concerns of the conservative voice so there's that.
Why are you concerned about the pandemic at your convenience? Why are the arguements about restricting the voice and action of the conservative in favor of the politically woke voice and opinion?
Not one serious minded person has posted support for the officers in MN or the idiots in GA and their actions leading to the death of 2 MEN. Doesn't matter to me if they were black or white or have had issues in the past. These were men whose safety and liberty should have been protected not just by law but the rights of ALL that we hold dear. In the GA murder two or three people formed their own little mob and fought for justice as THEY saw it and were COMPLETELY INEXCUSABLY WRONG. Just like the rioters.
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From above somewhere related to defunding the police...
"trump has the left fighting for the stupid side again....should be a landslide "
It's funny how TDS works. All Trump has to do is take sensible action, berate the left, then the left suggests nonsenible action. Its fucking hilarious actually.
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"So when GBD say things like Libtard will be stupid tomorrow he must be speaking about himself because due to overwhelming facts he only pay attention to those narrative the fit his gender"
More drivel without a fact in sight
Note that I said both Progressive and Far Right, both on the tails of the bell curve
What does gender have to do with this blog?
Gooneybird, you're so full of shit, it would be counter-productive to have a conversation with you.
But, yeah, let's burn it all down so we can all be "equal" in our poverty
Pembrush, i am shocked, shocked I say! You aren't wrong though, sometimes I like to be a fucker.
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Hong Kong vs US
Trump says to Hongkong protesters who did so much destruction “ you are right ,we are with you you have every right to protest and China’s use of force and military is inhuman we will put sanctions if you use force”
Trump says to US protesters “ you are terrorist, we will use military to kill you , when looting begin firing begins “
Lol what a dump hypocrite
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yep, those were identical situations...what an idiot Trump is
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But ya know TRUTH its such an inconvenience.
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^@wunanddun aka "GRANITE" Fraiser Cranium no one else post long bullshit like that that doesn't mean anything.
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Go back to sleep doofus
The shit for brains blogging curfew doesn't lift until 10 PM
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@Dude... So you are opposed to everything I posted? You somehow think that I am being unreasonable in the expectations that I have not only for my elected officials but my neighbors near and far?
You couldn't post a well thought out sentence in rebuttal, so you cast aspersions because you simply disagree with me?
Bravo Dude BRAFUCKINGVO!!! You truly wowed us with that stream of conscious brialliance.
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^If thats the case then you dumb ass should be arrested and you're car impounded
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OHH BTW ... I'm fricking me.. since you are so well connected and cry to the admins so much why don't you ask them to tell you how many accounts I have.
DudeL = Conspriacy theorist!!
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^@wunanddun aka "GRANITE" Fraiser Cranium Im not saying you didn't think about what you post your logic is just all fucked up lol
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@ Dude... I'm saying you don't think.
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just a lil rabbit hunter, barking at everything that moves
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Dont ever expect to have rational debate with Lebowski
You can corner him with logic and then he diverts to that "your operating different profiles" bullshit.
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btw...i didn't mean that for you
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Dude you talk in platitudes. Be specific what did I say that is untrue?
Not something that you disagree with because you're a right wing red hat.
What is untrue?
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^ everything you post
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......waiting.
Not something that you have a difference in option with. something that is untrue???
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Like you are owed an answer for a question never asked.
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..........waiting
Just like I thought more shill shit lol
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what was this particular thread about?
the use of military against US citizens....the ones that are lighting our country on fire, hurting people, killing people...not the ones that are peacefully protesting
will it happen? will the military be used? NO
but guess what? that was trump's way of having people pick sides, which he does quite often and sometimes it just happens.
look at the polls...they are not good for the left, and combine that with the new DEFUNDthePOLICE movement? those two things are at direct opposition of that the people want - LAW and ORDER
go see that Malcolm X video BLU posted in the #BLM thread...might be good for you to hear for the first 3minutes of time. let me know what you think after hearing it
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George Washington might have a different view. See "Whiskey Rebellion".
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Doofey Lewinsky AKA ShillaKahn. Big Orange BOOGIE Man Coming for ya RAINMAN
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Wgat a hit mess you are Doofey
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