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haven't read the study yet
bringing it up as fast as you did with the glee in your post...that is the problem. you root for failure
if it was positive? would we have seen a post this fast? i am not so sure
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that's ok btw...we already know
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Are you ignoring the Mount Sinai and Henry Ford Health System results?
Those numbers would contradict your argument.
Journal of General Internal Medicine published results from a study done at Mount Sinai hospitals showing a 47% lower chance of dying after adjusting for variables such as underlying health condition and disease severity.
Second study published July 1 in International Journal of Infectious Diseases found that patients treated with HCQ at Henry Ford hospitals in Detroit were 50 - 60% less likely to die after adjusting for variables.
The KEY appears to be aggressive early intervention within 2 - 3 days, if you wait til the 4th...you're probably too late for positive results. Also, must be used under doctor supervision in the correct dose. In the case of the University of Oxford study, they used doses 2 - 3 times higher than recommended by FDA emergency use authorization.
Also, with regard to safety, the FDA published a safety review on July 1 reporting only 5 adverse effects from HCQ through emergency use among tens of millions of doses.
Again, this is just one possible arrow in the quiver and if you start early under supervision, you've probably made the right decision. After the 4th day or so, the positive effect diminishes rapidly.
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Yes, ISOF........too bad NR's attitude isn't based more on science than politics
#RootingForFailure
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love the whole science schtick he hides behind
maybe once or twice it was ok and seemed to work a bit, but like all LIBS today, they can't hide their true selves....THAT is the trump effect...the dude has unmasked every single LIB in America with TDS
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Not fair and not true. I would have been very excited and posted this happily if there had been good news.
This study is superior to those because it doesn't share the confounding errors those have.
This is a randomized clinical trial. Those were observational, mixed in with many cofounding variables such as double the steroid use in the HCQ arm of the Detroit study.
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This study is an aggressive early use study.
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@NR knows too much about the science to be a faker
He's smart and knowledgeable but.........
yes, his politics do get in his way
Until there is a viable vaccine, we have to use whatever we got.......
Remdesivir, HCQ, Budesonide, Nebulizer, and there are other possibilities that are being tried
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You think I'm happy? If I get COVID now, I have nothing to defend me against it. And I do have preexisting conditions, which is probably the #1 reason why I am worried about it, not because I'm a liberal (which I'm not).
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@NR
You do realize that for MANY diseases, there are accepted treatments that don't work for some individuals depending on many factors.
If there is 1 chance in 1000 that HCQ would work for me, i would give it a go as the risk is low and I might be the one it works for.
I literally have nothing to lose until something better comes along.
If i could get it, i would go with Remdesivir as my first choice but I ain't dying because I wasn't willing to try something that had a low chance of working especially if the risk is low.
We all know people that are managing cancer with all kinds of poisons in their bodies and often they only put off the inevitable for a time.........no one is ever cured of cancer
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NR you are definately a Libtard... 
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Why did I know that was coming from Angler?
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Seriously, gotta run.....heading down to In-N-Out for a double double HCQ
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Remdesivir looks good. I'm just worried about running out of stock, and you can't use it at home yet.
Antibody treatments look interesting, but they are not here.
I've stacked up on famotidine. That's Pepcid. There is some minor evidence that it may help. I'm waiting for more data on that too.
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see, I read your defense of it and it's not the same energy...this one has glee in your tone.
i have said this many many many time....wait a few days and see the fallout. you posted within 1hr of it hitting the wire
you have basically just discounted a study that was positive after reading a CNN story of a detailed study?
so that other study is 100 percent wrong?
btw...there are other helpful drugs it appears...so this drug is not all or nothing. this one just cost 5cents VS 1300 bucks
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But Daddy Trump said it does work! Did they try swallowing disinfectant at the same time? Maybe that would have helped.
Meanwhile Bumbling Biden can’t get out of the way of his own words. He thinks COVID-19 killed 120,000,000 Americans for crying out loud.
God damn it if there was only a qualified candidate who didn’t have sexual assault allegations, was familiar with that weird science thing, and had a vagina instead of a penis. Dang it world!
Oh wait a sec...
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NEWSFLASH
Both Trump and Biden test positive for having a vagina.
Trump can't stop grabbing himself since he got the news.
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"see, I read your defense of it and it's not the same energy...this one has glee in your tone.
i have said this many many many time....wait a few days and see the fallout. you posted within 1hr of it hitting the wire"
I think you're misinterpreting my glee. I've waited for this study for over a month. I'm just happy it just came out.
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C'mon NightRider.
Not even a giggle about our 2 pussy candidates?
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OK, now you're just being patronizing.
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are you a doctor treating patients?
you might be the only dude in America, not connected to that study in any way, or medical professional, who is waiting a month for THAT study. it's that science schtick you got going...I see it
you already said you are happy that other drug that has proven it self...so you are good? you're safe personally ??
no need to wait on a study to prove trump was wrong...he was being hopeful with this 5cent drug that was readily available and used for 70 years (known factor with little side effects)
i guess the next thing about this is that you think it means those other studies are 100 percent wrong in that the drug is helpful? yes? no?
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I'm still waiting for the much anticipated Clorox study to come out.... I mean since some idiot narrowed the meaning of disinfectant to only mean household cleaners Dr.s and scientists all over the world need to conduct a double blind peer reviewed study on the use of it ... just in the interest of science.
Twitter and youtube need to ban all media showing household disinfectants just in case some confused soul listens to the idiots who confused the term disinfectant to mean Clorox etc. Just liked they banned the viable technology found in the link below.
But hey ... Yet another study says something doesnt work while some respected virologist say their patients did benefit .... oooooookay. I'd take my chances instead of waiting til the late stages when I MIGHT be able to get a dose of remdesivir.
Not doubting your faith in science NR not at all.... I just am open to the possibility that it works for some and not others.
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I think the only hope for HCQ now is to prove that the subtype of people who are definitely going to get severe COVID-19 can actually be helped by HCQ when administered very early. In other words, people who are 100% going to end up in the hospital or worse are really helped by early use of HCQ in the home. This wasn't that study.
It's going to be nearly impossible to do that sort of study though, because we don't know a priori who is going to have a severe reaction to the virus.
Therefore, I guess you could take matters into your own hands and if you get COVID-19, make the assumption that you could be one of these people, take HCQ, and hope for the best. I may still do that if I'm really desperate.
I would feel a lot better though with a more proven treatment like Remdesivir at this point though.
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It's a very interesting fact and I myself am certainly not shocked. Thanks for sharing.. now I'm off to talk mess with my family that is in the medical field 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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not shocked about what?
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That the hospitalization and death rates were about the same.
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^ Has it gone thru a random double blind study?
Or is this another miracle cure from Doctor Trump?
The irony of being saved by the very animal that's destroying our planet.
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