I can't justify a vaccine.
I had covid
My antibodies last 7months, and when they go away, it Is found now in bone marrow studies of those who had covid that B-memory cells can make more antibodies. Similar to SARS where they continue to have antibodies up to 17 years!
Also, when I had covid I didn't get "that" sick, so why?
The mayor assistant of my city TEXT me bout where I can get a vaccine, I actually had live exchanges, and at the end.. They said "GoodLuck"
I'm not opposed getting it, until absolutely neccesary...
If u had covid...no need...
But ppl r not having that conversation..
They r PUSHING the fact for many reasons
1 big 1 is the shit has a shelf life ...not very long..
That's why they r giving sum to other countries ... cuz it's gonna expire...
I am definitely pro-vaccine -- I believe it is safe and effective -- but there is growing evidence that if you had COVID (confirmed by PCR or antibody test), you may not need to take the vaccine.
There are now multiple studies that put the reduced rate of reinfection of those that had COVID (confirmed by testing) to be comparable to the infection efficacy of those that have taken an mRNA vaccine. And the protective effect has been observed 7 months following infection.
The only exception to this that I know of is a Danish study that had the reinfection rate of those 65 years and older to be 47.1%. So it may still be a good idea if you are old to still get the vaccine, particularly due to the increased risk of a bad outcome.
Three studies on this topic are linked to this post, so you can see for yourself and make up your own mind.
Furthermore, there is a study that show the long-term persistence (12 months) of anti-S IgG antibodies in people who were infected. These may protect against reinfection. And, as mentioned above, another study just published in Science confirmed the presence of anti-S antibodies in infected people after 11 months (albeit at lower levels) as well as circulating memory B-cells directed against the S protein. (These, when needed, can trigger an immune response to make neutralizing antibodies). Another earlier study in Science predicted that B-cells should last for years in infected people. In the same study it was shown that T-cells would also remain viable for over a year, and this may protect against severe disease if a person were to get infected.
Eventually, with new variants, you may eventually decide to get the updated vaccine to maintain a similar level of protection against reinfection, but people who just got the vaccine face a similar situation (more or less) as you with respect to these variants, and memory cells will likely protect you from severe disease.
Gina is right...however the memory cells last FOREVER....
I can't justify a vaccine.
I had covid
My antibodies last 7months, and when they go away, it Is found now in bone marrow studies of those who had covid that B-memory cells can make more antibodies. Similar to SARS where they continue to have antibodies up to 17 years!
Btw.....when in mid 70's there was a National Campaign to get vaccinated. And 55 people LOST their lives to the vaccine. The program was STOPPED.
NOW....in 2021 we are close or around 5,000 people in US alone. And they are still pushing the jab.
For a virus.....flu.....where 99.97 people live. Fouci's own emails show this was s sham. Mask do not work. From Fouci himself. Rate of infection below normal cold n flu season. He was funding work in Wuhan lab...for gain of function research which is OUT LAWED in US. #FIREFAUCI
Protect the elderly and those with under lying health condition. Rest of us live our lives.
BTW during Obama we had SARS. To this day there is NOT a vaccine for it. And Sars attacked the young not the elderly. Did we shut down schools....NOOOOO. We did NOTHING and lived our lives.
This was a hoax by Dems to seize power....China helped.....
To this day there are 18 people 18 and younger in Calif who have "supposedly" lost their lives b/c of Covid. Sad of course. But this is BELOW the normal cold n flu numbers year over year.
Also hospitals average about 9-12% availability capacity during normal cold n flu season. Covid was NOOOOO different and yet Calif Gov kept us locked down. AND he ordered elderly covid positive BACK into nursery homes....along with NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, PENNSYLVANIA, and MICHIGAN. ALL BLUE STATE GOVERNORS. They should be ALL tried for murder.
They wanted this to be bad.
Btw since we are talking about studies.....Google....STANDFORD Covid Study.....USC Covid Study and 2 Doctors from Bakersfield. All 3 studies were done to look at transmission. Since Calif was 1st to lock down with mask. And all 3 showed Covid....like any flu was spreading like wild fire.
And yet from day 1 indoor dining was not allowed.....however is it not funny that during this time the rise of positive covid people were NOT eating inside.....unless you are the Governor of course....Rules For Thee....NOT For Me.
BTW Governor Hairdo also had his 2 kids going to PRIVATE in class learning while the rest of the students in public schools were shut down for over a year.....that is unless LA Unified...largest school district in the US....said they would open schools if they got more salary and charter schools were to SHUT DOWN. So yeah its all about the kids....RIGHT?
Bottom line we were DUPED.
Who handled it the best. Florida.
Florida stayed open...kids in school. And they had 13 facilities up and down both east and west coast. What did these facilities do?
If nursing home patient tested positive they were sent THERE instead of going back into the nursery home....wow. Logic prevails.
Here is the video.....the ENTIRE video that YouTube took down. Now ask yourself....why is SCIENCE being taken down....ohhh yeah. Does not fit their narrative.
Accelerated urgent care has done 5,213 COVID-19 tests at its five Bakersfield locations, Erickson said — which is more than half the 9,197 tests done so far in Kern County. Of those, 340 were positive, according to Erickson.
If that percentage of positive cases were assumed to represent the entire population of Kern County, which is roughly 900,000, it would mean about 58,000 people in Kern have had the virus, far more than the nearly 700 official confirmed, Erickson said.
That many cases would "indicate there is a widespread (COVID-19) infection, similar to flu," Erickson said.
And if we don't shutdown the country for flu, should we keep doing it for coronavirus?
Thats right folks we have been lied to. If you listen to their video they also say that Doctors are being pressured to say deaths are b/c of Covid. And that played out in Colorado where they took 50,000 deaths off from being Covid.
On top of that why to this day has not HCQ + Zinc+ Z Pack not been approved to be used on people who first show signs of it. Fauci as we now know from his emails knew the efficacy of it......my guess.....he wanted things to get worse.
Trump was right as was alllllllllllllllll of the other doctors who said HCQ worked early on.
Doctors....Hospitals....were over compensated to SAY people have it or actually died from or for being treated for it.
1. When intubated prior to covid hospitals received a few thousand dollars. Saying its a Covid patient they receive 10,000.
Every step along a patients care....rooms....pills....safety equipment.....all of it inflated.
2. All the stats from the past as you say I looked up as well. Problem is those stats are ESTIMATES and in no way represent what actually happened. Why? No one cared much.....flu comes n goes every year.
Was never used as a political tool until now. 400k deaths or 500k. Totally inaccurate.
But hey...sheep will be sheep. Facts are there....just have to listen to others beside Fauci.
Me....I search for the truth. Fauci has an agenda....thats the difference.
What a track record he has.....SARCASM!
3. PCR tests were WRONG. If the test was performed at 30 cycles or HIGHER (as per CDC(50 cucles) and WHO(50+ Cycles)) is where all the FALSE POSITIVES came from. Cycles means that the higher number would enlarge the sample for viewing all matter.
How about Newsom personally pulling the numbers for the winners?
And handing out surplus money to 80% of the people in California including illegal aliens, just before a recall election that could cement his place on the scrapheap of history?
Lots of payoffs to get those mail in votes...but if they don't have enough? No problem. Gavin will just print more. He's not going anywhere.
It seems some people don't seem to get the skepticism a lot of us have about the vaccine, either phizers or modernas.
For me it's simple - why are the feds and tech companies censoring doctors from talking about the treatments they've used and have had great results from? Why are they censoring any talk about alternative treatments, such as Ivermectin, that have been shown to be COMPLETELY safe, can't be said about the vaccines, effective, readily available AND very inexpensive?
If you're going to censor information then there's obviously something your hiding.
And before you bash on the 2 people in the vid, Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying, they're both Phd.s and researchers in evolutionary biology i.e. they know a hell of a lot more about this subject then anyone here.
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So you posted a response immediately after I posted the vid, which shows you didn't watch it.
Which isn't at all surprising - best to stay uninformed or you might have to be reprogrammed.
Go back to your grazing ... everything's fine.
Waterdisport22. You win the award for concentrating the most disinformation about COVID in as few posts as possible.
"Btw.....when in mid 70's there was a National Campaign to get vaccinated. And 55 people LOST their lives to the vaccine. The program was STOPPED.
NOW....in 2021 we are close or around 5,000 people in US alone. And they are still pushing the jab."
Those deaths you cite on the VAERS system for the COVID vaccine are self-reported and not verified. It has not been shown than ANY category of death associated with the COVID vaccine is greater than what you would expect from random chance. On the other hand, the reason why the 1976 vaccine was stopped was because Guillain-Barré syndrome was found to be larger than expected (four times) in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated people.
We've talked about masks before. Fauci changed his mind due to mew information about cloth masks being able to block droplets and some aerosols as well as new information coming out suggesting asyptomatic spread was significant for COVID. Today, the evidence is stronger that masks do have an effect rather than that they don't. Sure, you'll find some studies suggesting that masks may not have an effect, but those studies are often underpowered, and the authors often suggest that this is the case.
"Also hospitals average about 9-12% availability capacity during normal cold n flu season. Covid was NOOOOO different and yet Calif Gov kept us locked down."
We locked down to prevent rapid growth of cases that would have swamped hospitals and led to poorer average care and thus worse outcomes for many. This was very different than for a cold or flu season. Even when we locked down, some hospitals were reaching capacity.
"[COVID] is similar to the flu"
As you can see from my attached chart, COVID has significantly worse infection fatality rates than most flus. It is also much more transmissible. It is also new to humans (unlike the flu), so our immune systems are not well adapted to it. This translates ultimately to many more deaths overall, which would have been significantly worse had we done nothing, and our health system would have been stretched to the limit -- perhaps too far. Also, unlike for the flu, there was no COVID vaccine at first.
Now that we have a vaccine as well as having natural immunity, COVID is becoming more manageable -- like a typical flu.
"On top of that why to this day has not HCQ + Zinc+ Z Pack not been approved to be used on people who first show signs of it. Fauci as we now know from his emails knew the efficacy of it......my guess.....he wanted things to get worse."
It has been shown that HCQ can't prevent the SARS-2-CoV virus at all from invading human lung cells and replicating. That by itself should sink HCQ. In addition, no large randomized controlled trial RCT showed HCQ to be effective. Perhaps other medicines like Ivermectin may do a better job. We should do large RCT's on these.
"2. All the stats from the past as you say I looked up as well. Problem is those stats are ESTIMATES and in no way represent what actually happened. Why? No one cared much.....flu comes n goes every year.
Was never used as a political tool until now. 400k deaths or 500k. Totally inaccurate."
Nice way of trying to sow doubt into these numbers. Problem is we can calculate the impact of COVID another way -- looking at excessive deaths. These compared the number of deaths in 2020 to the average of the few years prior. What do we find? We have found nearly 1 million excess deaths in high-income countries in 2020. Excess deaths in the US were 458,000 in 2020. And if you then map both weekly excessive death rates to weekly death rates attributed to COVID, you find that there is a very high corrlation. (See link).
"PCR tests were WRONG. If the test was performed at 30 cycles or HIGHER (as per CDC(50 cucles) and WHO(50+ Cycles)) is where all the FALSE POSITIVES came from. Cycles means that the higher number would enlarge the sample for viewing all matter."
PCR tests aren't wrong. You just need additional information to figure out what those cycle threshold CT value mean. Generally, lower CT numbers, on average, mean that the sample likely comes from someone who is infectious at the time. Higher CT numbers aren't usually false positives but generally mean the person had or has COVID but is not infectious anymore.
And you obviously haven't studied the data objectively very well, but rather seem to have gotten your information from biased sources trying to misinform.
Attached is an article on the long-term side effects of the COVID vaccines from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Cliffs notes version: Long-term safety profile of COVID vaccines looks very good since discovering bad side effects generally occur in the first two months of vaccination (and we're past that now), plus from our knowledge about the biology of these vaccines, our expectation is that these vaccines are safe.
smh... What is the issue? The vaccine is safe. Certainly safer than the severe illness and potential long term complications from getting covid.
Get the vaccine period ! There is no downside to getting vaccinated !
I have a friend in his 30's who has had covid twice.. he still got vaccinated --- finally.
My 30 year old nephew (Navy Seal) was hospitalized for 3 days and on oxygen. It took 3 months foe his lungs to recover. So there's no way to tell if you're going to get the mild version of covid or a severe case, with even the possibly of dying regardless oy your age.
@Nightrider, @Artnjazz, and @Golfwiz - a BIG THANKS! I would have spent 20 minutes writing shit to take those just completely insane conspiracy-laden shit down. Spent a lot of years around serous research and banged an epidemiologist for a couple years, to boot, and it just hurts my heard to hear such stupidity.
The vaccine is waaaaay safer than COVID, no comparison, and actually very safe. Nothing, including eating a bagel, is 100% safe (you could choke and die), but the COVID vaccine is pretty minimal, esp if you don't get the J&J.
And you are almost certainly better off getting the vaccine even if you had COVID already.
Maybe this is just Darwinism, and I should be happy when some hyper-deadly Brazil-India variant removes your germ plasm from the gene pool. Would rather see you survive it though.
It really is tiring attempting to convince people who aren’t burdened with intelligence to do what’s good for themselves and for society in general, but I’ll make this very simple for you to understand:
The more expensive the area, the higher the vaccination rates. Why? Because rich people care more about survival and longevity than anything else. They don’t worry about finding food to put on the table or their ability to pay rent. All they care about is living longer and staying healthy. They also have greater access to expert information and advice to help them survive longer, certainly more than people who can’t afford top doctors and researchers.
So check out the linked website, which allows you to search the vaccination rate by zip code in California.
Here’s a sampling of what you’ll find ( the percentage of people who have had at least one Covid vaccine shot to date):
Darwinism is actually real. Survival of the fittest includes the ones who are smart enough to recognize danger and how to avoid it. If you want to survive longer, don’t take unnecessary risks. Follow the lead of people who have access to and are following the advice of the smartest people in medicine.
Even piece of shit Trump was vaccinated in January before he left office. If that science-denying loser got vaccinated, maybe you should too.
"Why do you think alternative therapies
were stifled by media over the past 16 months?"
I don't think there is a conspiracy by the media to stifle alternative therapies. It's just that, for example, in Ivermectin's case, the studies are either observational or small, and, aside from what Pierre Kory may have you believe, the data is mixed (see NIH review in link below). Combine this with the fact that there wasn't enough focus by the NIH and other similar organizations to do enough large RCTs for pre-existing medicines for the treatment of COVID, and you're not going to get the media focusing on these treatments.
The good news is Ivermectin finally might be getting the attention it warrants with a large RCT done by the NIH. (See link).
Don’t worry, you clearly aren’t mentally fit enough to know right from wrong or what is safe or not, and you certainly can’t comprehend my point.
A guy who consistently makes light of everything, even when people’s health and safety is at stake, is someone who should be ignored and never taken seriously.
I am already vaccinated and everyone I know is as well. Not a single person had side effects more than feeling tired the next day. I gain nothing by recommending you get it. Be safe and stay healthy if you got Covid before and we’re mostly unaffected, you may still catch a variant that really fucks you up or kills you.
For your sake and for the sake of those you care about, get the vaccine and encourage everyone you know to get vaccinated as well.
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