Well....the hits keep coming......isnt that convenient.
Chinese military scientist 'filed a patent for a COVID-19 vaccine BEFORE the virus was declared a global pandemic and worked closely with 'bat woman' at Wuhan institute'
Scientist Yusen Zhou reportedly filed a patent for a COVID-19 vaccine on behalf of China's People’s Liberation Army on February 24 2020
China had only declared human transmission of the virus five weeks prior
News that Zhou filed a patent for a vaccine so quickly suggests Chinese officials may have known about the virus much earlier than they admitted
Zhou is also said to have worked closely with the deputy director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology
Some scientists have theorized that the virus was created inside that lab before it inadvertently leaked out
Zhou died in mysterious circumstances in May 2020 - less than three months after filing the patent
Yes....we believe you. It came from bats and the wet market. They filed for the patent for the vaccine BEFORE it was a pandemic. Of course we believe you China.
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China needs to pay a huge price for what they have done.
Fauci & Company needs to pay as well.....sending money to China for Gain of Function research....lying to the American people on soooo many levels. And destroying or trying to destroy this country.
We need to fully investigate and ask a lot of questions before we can jump to many of the assertions made here.
Not sure when we should do this, however. We still have a pandemic to deal with and will need to work with China and others to vaccinate the rest of the world.
Perhaps a post-pandemic independent commission (or even multiple commissions) that investigates many, many things is in order.
The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American far-right[2] fake news website.[1] The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.[21]
BUT ... the guy in the video is very left of center.
Amazing that he's actually just trying to figure out where this thing came from regardless of party affiliation.
"More proof nr.. . All this BS is coming to a head like a big zit. "
Not at all. Again, you are assuming motive based on scant evidence. Maybe Andersen was sick and tired of being harassed by conspiracy theory nuts over the past few days and decided to leave Twitter. It happens a lot.
You conspiracy nuts are making so much noise that I'm worried it's going to be harder to distinguish between the signal (actual facts) from the noise.
The identification of the origin of the virus and Trump admin's chaotic/disastrous pandemic dealing are two different things and they should not be mixed up.
I am sure that Dr. Fauci thought about all the possibilities of the origin at that time and even now, and we all know it is still inconclusive with just circumstantial evidences.
That is why we have to pressure Chinese government to disclose all the evidence/facts to international community so that we can prevent another pandemic from happening in the near future.
Why was it Dr. Fauci's fault even if he rejected other possible causes, that is what all the scientists do to their best of their ability...this has nothing to do with politics, but pressuring Chinese government has to do with politics.. that is for sure, and that is what we have to do now.
^Ignoring the fact that Fauci was a major advocate of gain of function research and funded the Wuhan lab with our tax dollars (actually, mine, since most liberals don't pay taxes). Fauci made a terrible mistake and tried to cover it up.
It's amazing how liberals advocate to give China a pass just so they don't have to admit that Cotton, Paul, Trump and other Republicans were right.
Oh shoot! WSJ article published last weekend:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184
... and Congress and State were informed about the origin in early 2020!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-report-concluded-covid-19-may-have-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-11623106982
The report written by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr Birger Sørensen alleges that China reverse-engineered versions of the disease to make it seem like it was naturally sourced from bats.
The authors of the 22-page vaccine paper said "SARS-Coronavirus-2" - the technical name for the virus - has no credible "natural ancestor".
They said it is "beyond reasonable doubt" that the disease was produced through "laboratory manipulation".
It is unbelievable to me that liberals still support China and Fauci. Get ready for the next "perfectly natural" pandemic because it is coming, thanks to Wuhan and liberals who are happily looking the other way.
"Oh shoot! WSJ article published last weekend:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184
... and Congress and State were informed about the origin in early 2020!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-report-concluded-covid-19-may-have-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-11623106982
The report written by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr Birger Sørensen alleges that China reverse-engineered versions of the disease to make it seem like it was naturally sourced from bats."
Nothing new here. Steven Quay came out last year with this opinion. Same with Dalgleish & Sørensen. They may be right; they may be wrong. Guess what? We've known about the Lawrence Livermore study too. The study said the hypothesis is plausible and needs further study.
Wtf! Do you expect China to admit this? If you know anything about molecular biology, there is plenty of evidence already. Fauci and others are stalling for time to allow China more time to come up with a "natural origin" pathway.
Rasmussen actually makes the opposite case that Quay does about virus optimization. Quay claims that SARS-CoV-2 can't come from nature because it was unusually highly optimized when it first came out, and it took months (a relatively long time) before the first gain-of-function mutation took hold. Rasmussen said that the fact there has been relatively rapid evolution of SARS-CoV-2 in terms of increased transmissibility and immune system evasion (which I agree with) shows that it wasn't optimized and therefore likely came from nature.
Most of these viruses we have been dealing with in recent years have come from animals. While the lab leak theory is no longer a conspiracy theory ( even Fauci spoke about this possibility a year ago ) there will never be proof to a scientific certainty it came from a lab.
Did you catch this article in the WSJ? Very interesting
The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak
The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.
By Steven Quay and Richard Muller June 6, 2021 11:59 am ET
Here is a snippet as its under a paywall:
But the most compelling reason to favor the lab leak hypothesis is firmly based in science. In particular, consider the genetic fingerprint of CoV-2, the novel coronavirus responsible for the disease Covid-19.
In gain-of-function research, a microbiologist can increase the lethality of a coronavirus enormously by splicing a special sequence into its genome at a prime location. Doing this leaves no trace of manipulation. But it alters the virus spike protein, rendering it easier for the virus to inject genetic material into the victim cell. Since 1992 there have been at least 11 separate experiments adding a special sequence to the same location. The end result has always been supercharged viruses.
A genome is a blueprint for the factory of a cell to make proteins. The language is made up of three-letter “words,” 64 in total, that represent the 20 different amino acids. For example, there are six different words for the amino acid arginine, the one that is often used in supercharging viruses. Every cell has a different preference for which word it likes to use most.
In the case of the gain-of-function supercharge, other sequences could have been spliced into this same site. Instead of a CGG-CGG (known as “double CGG”) that tells the protein factory to make two arginine amino acids in a row, you’ll obtain equal lethality by splicing any one of 35 of the other two-word combinations for double arginine. If the insertion takes place naturally, say through recombination, then one of those 35 other sequences is far more likely to appear; CGG is rarely used in the class of coronaviruses that can recombine with CoV-2.
In fact, in the entire class of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, the CGG-CGG combination has never been found naturally. That means the common method of viruses picking up new skills, called recombination, cannot operate here. A virus simply cannot pick up a sequence from another virus if that sequence isn’t present in any other virus.
Although the double CGG is suppressed naturally, the opposite is true in laboratory work. The insertion sequence of choice is the double CGG. That’s because it is readily available and convenient, and scientists have a great deal of experience inserting it. An additional advantage of the double CGG sequence compared with the other 35 possible choices: It creates a useful beacon that permits the scientists to track the insertion in the laboratory.
Now the damning fact. It was this exact sequence that appears in CoV-2. Proponents of zoonotic origin must explain why the novel coronavirus, when it mutated or recombined, happened to pick its least favorite combination, the double CGG. Why did it replicate the choice the lab’s gain-of-function researchers would have made?
Yes, it could have happened randomly, through mutations. But do you believe that? At the minimum, this fact—that the coronavirus, with all its random possibilities, took the rare and unnatural combination used by human researchers—implies that the leading theory for the origin of the coronavirus must be laboratory escape.
When the lab’s Shi Zhengli and colleagues published a paper in February 2020 with the virus’s partial genome, they omitted any mention of the special sequence that supercharges the virus or the rare double CGG section. Yet the fingerprint is easily identified in the data that accompanied the paper. Was it omitted in the hope that nobody would notice this evidence of the gain-of-function origin?
But in a matter of weeks virologists Bruno Coutard and colleagues published their discovery of the sequence in CoV-2 and its novel supercharged site. Double CGG is there; you only have to look. They comment in their paper that the protein that held it “may provide a gain-of-function” capability to the virus, “for efficient spreading” to humans.
There is additional scientific evidence that points to CoV-2’s gain-of-function origin. The most compelling is the dramatic differences in the genetic diversity of CoV-2, compared with the coronaviruses responsible for SARS and MERS.
Both of those were confirmed to have a natural origin; the viruses evolved rapidly as they spread through the human population, until the most contagious forms dominated. Covid-19 didn’t work that way. It appeared in humans already adapted into an extremely contagious version. No serious viral “improvement” took place until a minor variation occurred many months later in England.
Such early optimization is unprecedented, and it suggests a long period of adaptation that predated its public spread. Science knows of only one way that could be achieved: simulated natural evolution, growing the virus on human cells until the optimum is achieved. That is precisely what is done in gain-of-function research. Mice that are genetically modified to have the same coronavirus receptor as humans, called “humanized mice,” are repeatedly exposed to the virus to encourage adaptation.
The presence of the double CGG sequence is strong evidence of gene splicing, and the absence of diversity in the public outbreak suggests gain-of-function acceleration. The scientific evidence points to the conclusion that the virus was developed in a laboratory.
Dr. Quay is founder of Atossa Therapeutics and author of “Stay Safe: A Physician’s Guide to Survive Coronavirus.” Mr. Muller is an emeritus professor of physics at the University of California Berkeley and a former senior scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.
That's not the point. The point is that the furin cleavage site could have been created in nature or in a lab. We have too little information to know which one. If you don't want to take my word for it, listen to Broad Institute virologist Alina Chan:
]"there is zero evidence that confirms that the SARS-CoV-2 S1/S2 PRRA(R) FCS [furin cleavage site] arose naturally or artificially, but neither scenario can be ruled out."
Secondly, about the "CGG CGG" codon segment that Baltimore thinks is a "smoking gun." Some scientists don't see it that way. If you compare this codon usage in SARS-CoV-2 to other related viruses, it isn't out of the ordinary. Even if you expect a double CGG to occur only 1/1000 times, nature does produce these sequences.
There is too much uncertainty in the science to point to where SARS-CoV-2 came from. So, when you claim there is enough molecular biology evidence to point to the lab origins hypothesis, the answer is no, there really isn't.
The most damning suspicious behavior to support the came-from-a-lab hypothesis is the behavior of the Chinese after the fact. From Alina Chen:
"Nothing strange happened in Wuhan but if you go around asking questions, you get tortured and thrown in prison for 4 years."
"Nothing to see at these mines in Yunnan where SARS2-like viruses were collected, but if you try to visit, broken down lorries will appear on the road, blocking you until you leave for the airport."
"Nothing unnatural about the spike S1/S2 furin cleavage site in SARS2 but it wasn’t even mentioned in the [Wuhan Institute of Virology's] first covid paper in @nature despite their very careful comparison of SARS2 to SARS1." [Some believe the furin cleavage site to be engineered].
"No insights to be found in the bat and mouse viral pathogen database managed by Dr Shi Zhengli from the [Wuhan Institute of Virology], but it’s been taken offline and remains unavailable for analysis by other scientists and investigators of SARS2’s origins."
"Imprisoning journalists looking into what happened in Wuhan, obstructing inquiries into mysterious pneumonia cases in Yunnan miners in 2012, failure to describe what should have been a stunning discovery of a novel [furin cleavage site] in a SARS virus, removal of an extensive pathogen database..."
"@who covid origins investigation team with China-approved membership and China-approved investigation plan, only playing a supporting role and building on reports created by Chinese experts..."
I wouldn't want to be on a jury with NR. If 20 people witnessed a murder, he'd vote to aquit because he didn't have enough evidence and the murder didn't confess.
The logic is simple. They filed the patent right before the virus was PUBLIC was because they have been working with it for a LONG time.
How else can you file a patent for a vaccine BEFORE it becomes a problem for the world.
It took a year for Pfizer and Moderna....and China does it in a month before it hits the world.
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Lastly THANK YOU for all the people who commented with REAL SCIENCE. Nice to see that there are people who search for the truth NO MATTER WHERE it leads one.
That is what SCIENCE used to be about.
As opposed to people like NR who will NEVER see anything else that he wants to see. Blinded by his fictional beliefs.
And you know its true when people like this ATTACK you personally.....thats when you have won the debate.
WHY?
Because if you argue the TRUTH you ALWAYS WIN.
Its time to take our country back.........we have let these so called Scientists and Politicians ruin our lives for nothing more than a yearly influenza.
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. All this BS is coming to a head like a big zit. 