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Hah!
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Yeah, I get all my news from conspiracy minded internet videos with no documentation.
Might as well trust MSNBC.
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The vaccines have been proven to be even more effective and safe than originally thought. Infections have fallen from over 250,000/day to less than 14,000/day, due entirely to the vaccines being was widely administered.
The only people being admitted into hospitals with severe cases of covid are those who are unvaccinated.
Take your chances by believing the bullshit in this video or get vaccinated and save yourselves from the potential of a lot of pain, suffering, and possibly death.
It's an easy choice.
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'The vaccines have been proven to be even more effective and safe than originally thought. Infections have fallen from over 250,000/day to less than 14,000/day, due entirely to the vaccines being was widely administered.'
That's such bullshit. They haven't 'been proven' to be anything other than effective for the last 5-6 months.
They are 'Approved for Emergency Use ' ONLY!
I've been running all around southern & central Cal and Austin since Jan1 never got it.
So quit spewing your hysteria.
Atticus Finch
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"That's such bullshit. They haven't 'been proven' to be anything other than effective for the last 5-6 months."
It's undoubtedly been an excellent start and is the reason, along with natural immunity, why American society is moving back to "normal."
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Now the Trump turds hate the vaccine that they spent months saying that Trump made happen. So is it good because your daddy made it or does it such even tho daddy made it.
Make up your fucking minds
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"I've been running all around southern & central Cal and Austin since Jan1 never got it.
So quit spewing your hysteria."
@ AF
I like you and have enjoyed your posts concerning real estate, so I'm not going to tear into you for using absolutely no logic in the statement you made above.
Just because you haven't contracted it so far doesn't mean you won't contract it tomorrow, next week, or next month.
If you happen to have natural resistance to the current variants of Covid-19, that doesn't mean the other variants won't fuck you up.
You may have natural resistance to Covid-19, but you may contract it and be asymptomatic and be infecting others and not know it.
Lastly, shit-for-brains crane_op admitted that he caught Covid and that he was hospitalized and put on a ventilator in previous blog. If he could contract it, you can too.
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For crane_op or anyone else who has contracted Covid and have lingering side effects from the infection, you should get vaccinated as well because the vaccines "may" alleviate our symptoms.
See the linked article.
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For fuck sake Mr Finch, your conclusion is based on a number of observations totaling one subject: yourself. In statistical terms, that an N of 1. The conclusion regarding the efficacy of the COVID vaccines (whether they are only approved for emergency use or not) is based on an N of more than 165,000,000. You cannot draw any kind of conclusion from a data set where the number of subjects observed (i.e. N) is 1. But you can draw a buttload of very, very reliable conclusions when N = 165,000,000.
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Didn't watch the video
I'm vaccinated
Everybody should make their own risk/reward decision about getting a vaccine that is Emergency Use Approved but not fully FDA approved
Nobody should judge your personal decision one way or the other
The vaccine can be considered wildly successful given the amount of time to develop it from science that was just a dream 10 years ago, when SARS almost became a pandemic during the Obama admin, he dodged a bullet on that one. Any sane person would credit the Warp Speed program for laying the groundwork and if you want, give Grandpa a clap too for carrying thru.........some governors need to be pummel-fucked for their woke methodology of distribution, but that's another convo.
However much I may agree with most of what MostlyAnnoying posted, this statement is complete bullshit and he should know better.......
"due entirely to the vaccines being was widely administered" (sic)
It's highly likely that a very large % of the US population already had Covid, much higher numbers than were published. This was due to the sheer stupidity of our media and the CDC assholes. Halfway thru the pandemic, everybody knew that the actual infected were being under-counted by minimum 5 to 1 and as high as 10 to 1.
You could say that thru a combination of already infected asymptomatic recovered population PLUS the advent of the vaccine, that is the reason why the deaths are tailing off. We were well on our way to herd immunity even before the vaccine started..........where the real payoff was, is the high vaccination rates for those 65 and over..........which is where 90% of the deaths occurred.
On another note, i went shopping without a mask, maybe 20% of us without masks.
I flipped off everybody who had a mask on!
Fucking sheep
nuff said
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GBD actually created a post that wasn't completely subversive. Impressive.
Unfortunately, he's wrong about thinking that we have herd immunity. Not nearly as many people have had covid for that to occur. The reason why you know that is that covid cases are dropping in blue states with 70% vaccinations and is rising in red states with around half that number vaccinated.
If herd immunity was widely prevalent and vaccines weren't as effective, the red states wouldn't be rising as quickly. Researchers are now worried that the 4th of July can see a big rise in covid cases in red states.
Those who are vaccinated have stronger antibody responses that those who contracted Covid.
Lastly, I know a doctor who is required to take an antibody test each month after he was vaccinated. He received the Pfizer vaccine in early March and his antibodies are dropping but still strong. There's definitely going to be a need for booster shots.
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Some dumfucks believe everything. Stormy pegged Donald so hard, he now wears diapers.
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According to the CDC there have been a minimum of 5,208 deaths caused by the vaccines in the USA.
Some researchers claim the number is higher as much as 20,000.
With this level of deaths caused by the vaccines, as well as other adverse reactions, some critical care doctors are questioning the risk / benefit ratio certain especially for those who have natural immunity due to exposure/illness or genetics.
In testimony before the U.S. Senate last year, lung specialist and critical care, physician, Pierre Kory, M.D stated that there is a less risky approach with other antiviral drugs that are being repurposed such as Ivermectin.
Observational studies of Ivermectin in Mexico, Peru, Colombia, Israel, India, Slovakia, Czechoslovakia have shown that Ivermectin significantly lowered the rates of hospitalization and death.
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According to the CDC there have been a minimum of 5,208 deaths caused by the vaccines in the USA.
Some researchers claim the number is higher as much as 20,000.
I have been reading this as well....
Along with the HEART problems in adolescence.....came out of Israel and now seeing it also in Canada. We are having cases in the US. Its deadly....
If the SAME % were to be in the US and what Israel is seeing we would have 150,000 young kids.
Let THAT sink in.....
And BTW Germany now says NOT to use it on the young anymore....
SAFE.....you have NO CLUE.
In 1975 ish we had a PANDEMIC. Everyone was to get the flu shot. 55 people died.
THEY STOPPED VACCINATING......now we have somewhere from 5,000 to who knows what DEAD.
And YOU say its SAFE......for a flu yes the FLU that affects the elderly...avg age of death is 77 with most having underlying health condition.
Right...so lets tell ALL college kids they have to have it. Frickin stupid.
And since this nonsense last I checked there were 18 deaths in Calif for covid and being less than 18 years old. Which is LOWER than our year over year flu season.
SAFE...............THINK NOT
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The CDC doesn't say that 5,208 people died from the vaccine.
They day there have been 5,208 deaths reported after getting the vaccine. It could be days or even weeks later.
The VAERS system doesn't establish cause and effect.
Old people due every day. If you are over the age of 80, your risk if dying in the next 3 weeks is about 1%. So give the vaccine to millions of old people, and many thousands will die.
That's life.
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As Justhavingfun1 wrote, the CDC did not say that 5,208 people died from the vaccine. They said that 5,208 people died who also took the vaccine.
Over 174.67 million people have received at least one dose of the vaccine. That's more than half of all Americans. Are people assuming that once you get a vaccine shot that you become invincible and you never die from any other cause?
I know frail elderly people (over the age of 90) who received the vaccine and have absolutely no side effects from the vaccine and are doing very well. But if one of those people die from natural causes, would you blame it on the vaccine? That's ridiculous.
As Wateresport22 wrote, there are heart issues cropping up in adolescent males below the age of 30. Those issues haven't resulted in death and have been reversible and wasn't severe, and it showed up in tiny number of adolescent males but the CDC is investigating it regardless because they want to know what may be causing this and which group of adolescent males may be at risk.
Bottom line: Don't grab onto every headline and not dig deeper. These vaccines are incredibly safe, especially compared to actually contracting Covid which is obviously quite dangerous. Make that analysis, people.
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'For fuck sake Mr Finch, your conclusion is based on a number of observations totaling one subject: yourself. In statistical terms, that an N of 1. The conclusion regarding the efficacy of the COVID vaccines (whether they are only approved for emergency use or not) is based on an N of more than 165,000,000. You cannot draw any kind of conclusion from a data set where the number of subjects observed (i.e. N) is 1. But you can draw a buttload of very, very reliable conclusions when N = 165,000,000.'
That had nothing to do with what I posted. The semi amusing guy said the vac's were proven to be safe and effective and then went on another rant about how everyone should get it regardless and screaming that the sky is falling if you don't.
Me saying I'd been running around sc, cc and austin was just an example of someone who wasn't freaking out and living their life and telling him to STOP the histrionics.
And the amount of people that have gotten it doesn't mean anything.
The vacs have been effective for 5-6 months. No more no less. Is that promising? Yes. Will they continue to be in another 6 months? A year? 2? No one knows.
Just like no one knows if they're safe. They've appeared to be safe for 6 months that all, will they continue to be? No one knows and that's they point. Cause there've been a lot of drugs that actually got fda approval that were later recalled because they were proven unsafe.
There're now reports and the cdc's confirmed cases of heart inflammation caused by the vacs. Will we hear more on it or any other bad effects? Highly doubtful, the government is pushing the vacs and bad effects or deaths caused by them don't fit the narrative.
The government in conjunction with the msm, google, fb and twitter have all been censoring any and all information on alternative treatments, such as Ivermectin, that have shown to be effective. Why? Because that would cause the vac's to lose their EUA status.
Everyone has the right to make up their own mind if the vacs are right for them and their family or not and shouldn't have to hear from you idiots constantly screaming about how they have to take it no matter what.
Atticus Finch
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Answer me this....
If the Vaccines are SAFE........and I should get it......
Then WHY can I not SUE Pfizer...insert name....if something bad happens to me or a loved one?
Do NOT want to hear its an Emergency....etc. BS.
I need to take a vaccine that WITHOUT taking it I have a 99.95 chance of surviving?
NOPE....not gonna happen.
When 55 people died in 1975 ish from vaccines. IT STOPPED.
Yes there are problems with VAERS saying over 5k died from vaccines....like there is from DOCTORS who say 500,000 americans have died from Covid. B/C doctors were PRESSURED to say it was Covid...why...Hospitals got MORE money b/c of that.
Alameda County....largest in Calif just had to reduce theri Covid deaths by I think 30%(?).
Colorado had to take 50,000 people off the death tolls.
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+ 100. Waterdisport22. Totally agree with you
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The real issue is that the anti-vaxxers are spreading misinformation about the vaccine from bad sources, are misinterpreting the information, or are intentionally twisting the information that is out there to scare people from taking the vaccines. That's my only problem with what is being posted in these blogs.
If you've done your research and you still don't want to take the vaccine, that's fine. It's on you to protect yourself or not. No one can force anyone to do anything.
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That's your problem.
You're assuming the people that don't want to take the vacs are 'anti vaxers'.
Are there some that are? Sure, but 99.9% of people that aren't willing to take the vac aren't, they're only anti THIS vac/s and they include Dr.s, nurses and other healthcare workers as well as PhD epidemiologists, immunologists etc i.e. NOT stupid people.
I hope it works out for you and you never have to worry about it ever again.
But what I really hope more is that some untested for side effect DOESN'T show up in 1-3+ years and completely ruins people's health all because they were desperately afraid of this thing and blindly believed the government and fauci - who's already been caught lying and has shown himself to be more of a bureaucrat then anything else.
Atticus Finch
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YOU want research.....here it is.
Read all 53 pages of Pfizers submittal to the FDA. I did after reading this article. And this is EXACTLY what Pfizer did.
In it you will see how Pfizer uses stats to claim the jab does more than it does.
And...I am NOT anti vax. I have had Chicken Pox...Polio....and the others.....
If you just want to read the most important part here it is. It is also below in the FULL article.
When one does the math, the Pfizer clinical trial numbers showed: “The risk reduction in absolute terms [was] only 0.7%, from an already very low risk of 0.74% [in the placebo group] to a minimal risk of 0.04% [in the vaccine group].” (Dividing 0.7 — the difference between the two groups — by 0.74 is the mathematical calculation that produced the touted “95% effective” number).
Sooooo if you have the jab you have .04% chance of getting Covid VERSUS .74% if NO jab.
That means the difference is only ,7%.
So for .7% we have to take the jab?? Are you frickin serious?
How did Pfizer get 95%....they took .74% minus .04% =.7 % and divided it by .74%.
They played LOOSE with stats.....PERIOD.
Vaccine Makers Claim COVID Shots Are ‘95% Effective’ — But What Does That Mean?
Are Pfizer and Moderna misleading the public about the efficacy of their COVID vaccines by withholding the fact that there’s another way to parse their data — one that has more real-world significance?
In 1954, writer and repentant cigarette industry lobbyist Darrell Huff wrote the best-selling book, “How to Lie with Statistics,” with the aim of teaching the general public how to decode the “secret language of statistics.”
In his introduction, Huff wrote: “Averages and relationships and trends and graphs are not always what they seem.” He added: “There may be more in them than meets the eye, and there may be a good deal less.”
Almost 70 years later, Huff’s admonition that a “well-wrapped statistic” can “sensationalize, inflate, confuse and oversimplify” seems more relevant than ever. For a pertinent modern-day example, one need look no further than COVID vaccine developers’ “headline-worthy” but misleading claims about their products’ “95% effectiveness.” As BMJ associate editor Peter Doshi and others have been confirming for months, these efficacy data are largely a matter of statistical smoke and mirrors.
Why are manufacturers’ claims about vaccine effectiveness misleading? Pfizer and Moderna declined to share with the public the fact that there is another way to parse their data that has more real-world significance.
Examining a statistic called absolute risk reduction — the number of percentage points that an individual’s risk goes down if they do something “protective” — the two companies’ COVID vaccines barely make a dent at all, reducing someone’s risk of experiencing COVID symptoms (the clinical trials’ endpoint) by less than 1%. This is the practical number that people are likely to care about most.
When one does the math, the Pfizer clinical trial numbers showed: “The risk reduction in absolute terms [was] only 0.7%, from an already very low risk of 0.74% [in the placebo group] to a minimal risk of 0.04% [in the vaccine group].” (Dividing 0.7 — the difference between the two groups — by 0.74 is the mathematical calculation that produced the touted “95% effective” number).
Although the eight versus 162 PCR-confirmed COVID cases in the Pfizer trial may sound like a big difference to the casual reader, Peter Doshi subsequently alerted the public to the fact that Pfizer skewed its analysis by excluding more than 3,400 individuals with non-PCR-confirmed symptoms of COVID — individuals split almost evenly across the vaccine and placebo groups.
Article goes on.....
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What is the fucking point. Take it...don't take it. Fucking die
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" Just because you haven't contracted it so far doesn't mean you won't contract it tomorrow, next week, or next month. "
Got it the day after Christmas, lasted three weeks. The worst of it was the Chills.
Tested positive for Antibodies last month. So I;m good, yet people still want to demonize those who ... Sorry I'm not a follower. Even though, most likely I would be ok.
Nuremberg Code (Directives for Human Experimentation)
The Nuremberg Military Tribunal�s decision in the case of the United States v Karl Brandt et al. includes what is now called the Nuremberg Code, a ten point statement delimiting permissible medical experimentation on human subjects. According to this statement, humane experimentation is justified only if its results benefit society and it is carried out in accord with basic principles that �satisfy moral, ethical, and legal concepts.� To some extent the Nuremberg Code has been superseded by the Declaration of Helsinki as a guide for human experimentation.
��Permissible Medical Experiments.� Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10. Nuremberg October 1946 � April 1949, Washington. U.S. Government Printing Office (n.d.), vol. 2., pp. 181-182.
1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required by him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
From;� https://www.marshall.edu/ori/nuremberg-code-directives-for-human-experimentation
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“ When one does the math, the Pfizer clinical trial numbers showed: “The risk reduction in absolute terms [was] only 0.7%, from an already very low risk of 0.74% [in the placebo group] to a minimal risk of 0.04% [in the vaccine group].” (Dividing 0.7 — the difference between the two groups — by 0.74 is the mathematical calculation that produced the touted “95% effective” number).”
LOL. Absolute number is irrelevant. That’s just a function of how long they decided to run the trial. In the real world, the absolute number will be much, much larger. We’ve probably had 100,000,000 US infections already. And the high efficacies found during the trial seem to transfer to the real world. And efficacies for severe disease seem to remain high even with the variants.
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“According to the CDC there have been a minimum of 5,208 deaths caused by the vaccines in the USA.
Some researchers claim the number is higher as much as 20,000.”
Nope. Those deaths have not been shown to be caused by the vaccine. Anytime hundreds of millions of people are selected over a period of a half a year, a certain number of them are going to die by chance.
“.like there is from DOCTORS who say 500,000 americans have died from Covid. B/C doctors were PRESSURED to say it was Covid...why...Hospitals got MORE money b/c of that.”
Nope. The number of deaths are consistent with the excess deaths we have independently measured. These are deaths over the past year vs. the average of deaths from previous years. And the deaths by week recorded for COVID over the past year correlate nicely in time with the excess deaths.
I’m not saying the number is exactly what we say — there is error — but within a quarter an order of magnitude for sure.
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“You're assuming the people that don't want to take the vacs are 'anti vaxers'.
Are there some that are? Sure, but 99.9% of people that aren't willing to take the vac aren't, they're only anti THIS vac/s and they include Dr.s, nurses and other healthcare workers as well as PhD epidemiologists, immunologists etc i.e. NOT stupid people. “
96% of all doctors are vaccinated. Why is that? I wonder….
“I hope it works out for you and you never have to worry about it ever again. But what I really hope more is that some untested for side effect DOESN'T show up in 1-3 years”
Thank you, but I’m not worried about it. Problems with vaccines show up within the first few months of use (and we’re seeing that now), not 1-3 years.
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And I’ll thank Donald Trump for listening to his business friends who advised him to push for the mRNA vaccines. Thank you, Mr. Trump.
Got to give credit where credit is due.
By the way, DONALD TRUMP TOOK THE VACCINE.
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