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Jun 23 2021 10:36AM more by SkysBlessedHands
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soooooo I want to purchase this camera, finally....but I can't decide. its my first one so I want something good reliable and affordable.
ive narrowed my search down to 3 cameras but im so indecisive and I really don't know much about cameras...maybe my hx camera people can help me pick

Canon EOS Rebel T7 dslr
Canon EOS 2000D 24.1 mp
Canon T6 Eos Rebel Dslr


Which should I pick

      
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Jun 23 2021 11:20AM     link to this

Pick Me
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Jun 23 2021 12:09PM     link to this

^^^Ifonly....I choose you ;-)
do you come with a bundle package tho, I really like that deal :-D
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Jun 23 2021 12:39PM     link to this

Fuji S4000. Just happen to have one I'll sell or trade.
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Jun 23 2021 12:44PM     link to this

^^^longwalker....thanks babe but id like to purchase a new unused camera since its my first...I want to give it all my energy to create amazing memories
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Jun 23 2021 01:15PM     link to this

Check out Samy's Cameras.com
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Jun 23 2021 02:40PM     link to this

Rebel T6
good starter camera. Then burst out the heavy cash once you have developed the skills
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Jun 23 2021 02:44PM     link to this

yes, develop the skills of composition and understanding of light. the camera is important but these other skills separate the wheat from the chaff
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Jun 23 2021 04:33PM     link to this

I use a Canon Powershot G7 X Mark III work purfect for me and compactible to carry.
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Jun 23 2021 05:05PM     link to this

Based on the three choices you put down, Canon EOS Rebel T7 is the likely winner.
The Canon EOS 2000D is the same camera as the T7, just different name in different part of the world, depending where it was released.

The T6 has one stop ISO lower sensitivity to the T7, otherwise, it is the same camera.


BUT DLSRs are gadgets that are on their way out and being replaced by mirrorless cameras. Just my 1.5 cents..
SkysBlessedHands
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thanks guys for all the advice...I picked the Canon T7 Rebel...
Im so excited to test my photography skills all over the world...the adventures to come are going to be grand
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Keep in mind, when it comes to SLRs, the lenses you buy will have the greatest impact on the quality of your photos. They will also represent the greatest expense. A good quality 300 mm (essential for sports or wildlife) will easily run you $4,000.

Good luck & have fun.
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Damn so I'll give up my iPhone 4?
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Jun 23 2021 07:15PM     link to this

i always heard ppl talk of the REBEL for photos......
good 4u for having a hobby!
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Jun 23 2021 07:55PM     link to this

^^^^thank Gina Boo
im so excited....lol, its the little things....
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Jun 23 2021 08:03PM     link to this

thanks*
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Jun 23 2021 08:23PM     link to this

Congrats! Excited for you! =)

Kit lens are generally not that great (should be good, not great). A lot of people grab a nifty fifty as their first prime lens, cheap in price but higher in quality and a great value for the performance. Canon's version would be: Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens (check used market).

What really helps me is a tripod. Good lighting (flash/reflector) will make your photography journey a little easier as well.

Shooting is easy, it's the editing that takes forever, lol.

Have fun!!
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Jun 23 2021 08:28PM     link to this

I'd suggest either a Nikon or a Sony. The Canon Rebel is pretty cheesy. Nikon has a better build quality, better low light capabilities, and more user-friendly control layout.

And what is more important than the camera body are the lenses. I much prefer Nikon (Nikkor) lenses over Canon.

Costco has package deals for either that are worth looking into... .but... BUT

The truth is that the newer iPhone PRO's come with a telephoto portrait lens — and this leads to the next bit of conversation: It's not about the camera or lenses, it's about the light.

Painting with Light

The word photography means painting with light. Having good (controllable) lighting equipment is more important than the camera, and even the lenses.

If you look at the photo shoots in Playboy for instance, the photographer and assistant spent half a day or more just setting up the lighting (and women are a lot easier to shoot than cars... for a car shoot we could spend more than a day on the lighting, LOL ... cars are hard...)

But you can now get inexpensive CRL or LED lighting kits on Amazon with enough control (i.e. egg crate mesh or a barndoor setup) to get good results.

Less Wide

A problem with trying to work with most cell phones is that they have a lens that is too wide for good portrait work. If you're shooting faces in particular, you typically want a longer lens.

My favorite portrait lens is the Nikon Nikkor DC 105mm f2.0 — though the 85mm f1.4 is also a pretty great lens for portrait work... either would be a separate purchase from the camera body, unless you go to a pro shop like Samy's Camera and they have a package deal available.

The iPhone Pro has a telephoto lens for portraits, though I'm not super fond of the "automatic" crap in the phone cameras if you want to really be in control. I don't use any of the automatic exposure stuff in my Nikon either.

I use a separate Sekonic light meter for exposure purposes, with the camera set to manual. I do use the auto-focus, but set to "single" and a single focus point.

TLDR

  • Don't stress about the camera body as much as getting controllable lighting.
  • If you are going to get a new phone, iPhone Pro has three lenses, and that makes a difference.
  • Look closely at Nikon before committing yourself to Canon.
SkysBlessedHands
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Jun 23 2021 08:37PM     link to this

^^^fuzzy...I going to give it a good trial run and if it doesn't seem to be starter camera I need then ill just get a Nikon...ive looked at a few already...I might just order it and compare them side by side.
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Jun 23 2021 09:47PM     link to this

Skip the slrs and go mirrorless for sure. Also Sony rx series is surprisingly versatile for a small point and shoot.
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^^^Really....
Yea...so I had to do my research on slr and Dslr...from what I gather slr had better imaging it just comes from a film roll and dslr is all digital...please correct if I’m wrong. I want to have the best understanding and not not F ish up :-D
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Jun 24 2021 12:46AM     link to this

Canons are great cameras. Pros use them in every field. I know yours is a starter model but it'll take great pics. All kinds of YouTube videos to help you get started. Have fun!
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Jun 24 2021 10:10AM     link to this

the ones you listed are app with "APS" image chip.
this chip is not a full size compared to 35 mm film.

i recommend finding a camera with full frame image chip such as canon 5d or nikon d3

even if you can find it used, over time it will produce the best photos and the most versatility.

note that using professional cameras require experience and training to get the best photos

sometimes point and shoot cameras produce better images for those who do not want to fully immerse themselves in lighting, color temp and all the other variables in high end photography.


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Jun 24 2021 11:46AM     link to this

I still use my ancient, dinosaur Nikon FM2...
It's a 35mm SLR, the back up Nikon N90s.
24mm wide angel, 50mm, 105mm portrait,
28-70mm zoom, 100-300mm zoom.

It's a great combo, covers 98% of my needs.
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Jun 24 2021 12:24PM     link to this

Gosh u guys know a whole lot about cameras. Are there any that are better for taking pics of the sky at night? Or ocean at night?

Congrats to OP for getting your camera you make it sound like so much fun! I’m so happy for you!!!!
This post made me smile 🤪
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photography means "painting with light"
so you need light to make produce a photo.
the night sky/dark ocean must have some light in order to make a desired outcome.
the less light the more need for long exposure time, higher ISO, low aperture.
all of this is best done using a very good DSLR with low noise at high ISO.
a very good lens capable of low aperture
a good tripod as the long exposure time will make a blurry image if handholding the camera.
a remote trigger because you cannot push the trigget without the camera moving even the slightest will blur the image, even on a tripod.
then you have to find the best setting for capturing the most from the shot.
any camera has a given dynamic range. its the range from the darkest pixel to the brightest pixel you can capture in one shot. in most DSLR its around 6 clicks.
Oftentimes this range is not enough to capture the actual "low light and high light" in what the human eye can see (the human eye has a much higher dynamic range than a digital chip)

one way to capture the full range of the subject is then to take multiple captures at different settings.
ie one capture to record the darkest, one for the mid tones and one for the brightest.

then you can overlay these captures into one image which clearly has great dynamic range.
you'd need some kind of software to make this overlay.

some cameras has this setting you can choose and have programmed the camera already to take 5 captures you activate the trigger only once but the camera takes 5 shots at different exposures.


yes, it gets pretty technical.. and you have choose some of the more technically difficult scene to photograph.


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Jun 24 2021 12:52PM     link to this

I recommend the Kodak Instamatic, with the flashcubes.
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Really and just exactly is wrong with Polaroid?
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^^^^Butt...nothing is wrong with Polaroids...I love mine. Fun and great for quick eclectic pics.
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Speaking of butts
Thank you
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Jun 24 2021 02:40PM     link to this

Comparing Size:


APS-C size sensors (known as DX in Nikon) are fine as a starter camera — while the imaging area is smaller, it does allow for the use of less expensive lenses (DX in the Nikon line for instance).

Full-size sensor camera are much more expensive, even used, and also requre more expensive full-frame capable lenses.

It IS true that full frame sensors will generally produce better images, but then it's worth mentioning a medium format Phase-One back on a Hasselblad will do even better... and also cost $40,000.

AGAIN:


It's about LIGHTING as being most important, and an APS-C/DX sized sensor is a fine way to start without spending literally thousands more on camera gear.

Put another way: If the lighting is bad, images will look just as bad on a full frame sensor as an APS-C sized sensor!!!

It's not the size it's how you...


APS-C/DX sized sensors may force you to ":work a littler harder" to get the best image, but that's not bad, as it helps reinforce good work habits early on.

ALSO: It just so haps that the APS-C/DX size sensor is the SAME size as the 35mm frame as used in cinematography for motion pictures — the 35mm frame used in an old school SLR is 8 perfs long. The 35mm frame in most cinema cameras is 4 perfs, of which less than 3 perfs is typically used.

That said, yes larger sensors are better.... and they also have narrower depth of field making focus more critical (but also lending better "depth" in the final image).

The "mirrorless" cameras are a poor choice: they have even smaller sensors, and because they lack the optical viewfinder are inferior if you are seriously trying to learn photography. Working with optical viewfinders is more difficult than a "WYSIWYG" digital display, and thus the better starter camera for developing good habits needs a real mirrored dSLR build.

Learning photography or any art:


The single most important class any artist can take is.... LIFE DRAWING using the Nicolaides method. (Read his classic book "The Natural Way To Draw"). In a life drawing class you draw (usually) a naked human, one of the most difficult things to draw...

WAIT WUT?

Why would I suggest a life drawing class to a photographer?

Simple: a life drawing class is actually more about "learning how to see like an artist" — it is eye training. Trust me when I tell you that eye-training is the one most important thing for any artist. Taking life drawing will lift your art up and above, regardless of the medium you choose.

As a bonus, you get to stare at naked people and draw them... LOL...

BEST OF LUCK!

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Lots of good information on line but I find some of the best and most entertaining on DPReview.com. The most important thing is to know what you're planning to do with your camera. Horses for courses,
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Jim South of the World Modeling agency used to display all his models using polaroids.
Back in the day, that was the way - producers would come to his office and look at binders of polaroids to pick their starlets.
..and you cannot airbrush a polaroid, what you see is what you get.
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Jun 25 2021 12:17PM     link to this

You guys really still use DSLR’s?
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Jun 25 2021 12:32PM     link to this

Hi tripods is the best accessory after that any of the cameras would do on lens depends on the use, but for content the one that comes with the camera would do, also try to invest on lights 😁😉, good luck msg me I’ll try help in any way possible 🤣😂😉
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^^^reallylong
Dslr...slr...all the other types....cameras are a foreign language to me...that’s why I ask
Which type of camera would you recommend.
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Please take time to look at light. Look to Edward Weston and his sons Bret and Cole. Really wonderful.
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Beginning of the thread someone mention the rebel T6.

It’s been a good starter and Inhave been able to get near pro quality pics (with right set up/lighting).
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I picked the T7 babes. I’m excited about it too. I’m not a photographer but I want to take my own pics and portraits for my home so this is just the beginning...once I get more experience and self knowledge I will definitely spend the big buckies on a more substantial professional camera
And drawing classes isn’t a bad idea either...painting too!
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Hi I'm Nick and I'm a Sony A6XXX, RX100x and A7RX addict......


Good luck babe. Just understand once you start on this path you can quickly end up with a lot of lens and other accessories and a big hole in your budget. It's a slippery slope.
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^^^Nick....
Well it just so happens I’m well versed with slippery slopes :-D
I anticipate the journey
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if you need any lighting equipment let me know.
i have strobes, triggers, softboxes, scrim, c-stands, medium stands
daylight colored continuous lights, reflectors. lightmeters etc etc etc
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^^^Lapierre
wow!!! sounds like an extravaganzas of photography fun....
reflectors is all I understood :-)
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Jun 25 2021 04:35PM     link to this

Now that you have the camera invest in a good lens or 2. Spend your initial time learning about shooting with available natural light. Look at my pictures all but 2 of the shots were done using available light. Good lenses make a huge difference. Just like speakers to a stereo... think of your Camera as the stereo.. if you buy a good stereo and crappy speakers the sound you get out of it will be crappy... its the same relationship between camera and lens.
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Jun 25 2021 04:42PM     link to this

scrim is basically a large sunshade to remove some direct sunlight which otherwise will make your scene look harsh and burned out - when shooting outside in harsh sun day time.

c-stands and medium stands are industry stands, they can hold strobes, scrim, reflectors etc.

strobes are your external flash strobes, you can fire them from a trigger which you attach to your camera's flash shoe - it sends a wireless signal to the receiver and fires the strobe.
its very normal to use 4+ strobes to properly light a model shoot.

softbox is a big box you can attach to the strobe flash to spread and soften the light from the flash onto the subject.

yeah lots of equipment..
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THANK YOU ALL.....you guys are all so amazing...tons of knowledge and good things definitely need to know...this is going to absolutely amazing...im going to share it ALL...maybe once my camera arrives we can all get together and have a Cam Jam sash at the beach, a little bomb fire action ;-)
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Cam Jam sesh*****
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