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Vax issues thread with what appears to be real people.
https://t.me/s/covidvaccineinjuries
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AFLDS Tweet
"It’s egregious. And someone has to step up and say NO MORE!”
https://twitter.com/drsimonegold/status/1420077529415786498
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Fauci, in his own words, has now admitted that vaccinated people who get infected are at least equally likely to spread Covid as someone who is not vaccinated.
Muir last night on ABC World News said same thing. Vax'd are shedding the virus.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1420362485803147267
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Shit is THICKK today ....
Are Face Masks Effective? Here is the Evidence.
https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/
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Another you won't see.
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It's interesting how people take the grey in something -- the uncertainty -- and use only one side of the information, to come up with a very different conclusion that what is based in reality.
Well, that's part of it. The other part is just brazen lies.
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I'm referring to all the posts above mine.
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Vaccinated people apparently can transmit at the same rate as unvaccinated. This is new data and interesting because vaccinated people have antibody & T cell islands in their nose, so you'd theoretically expect a lower rate.
Perhaps the higher viral loads of the Delta variant make this fact about vaccinated people moot.
Interesting.
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Nice NR. That was one of the main points of this blog post.
Did you read the Swiss Policy Research on masks?
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You can contact them too: https://swprs.org/contact/
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Any CEOs in the house?
Would you agree to this Pfizer supply agreement? I surely would not.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419653002818990085.html
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I know a good amount of the research posted by the Swiss Policy Research on masks.
They took research that expressed some uncertainty and cherry picked only the negative side from it to fit their political agenda.
In other words, it is garbage.
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There is certainly a lot of grey on the issue of masks.
I think the link attached is probably the most balanced approach to masks I could find.
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@Flash911
What NR said is exactly what CDC said, and that means that this was what science proved; Viral overload showed the same amount for vaccinated person with breakthrough infection and for unvaccinated one with infection. That translates that the former could transmit the virus to somebody in case of Delta variant even if he/she has a mild symptom. That was not the case with Alpha variant (were you listening the news?)
Nobody wants to wear masks, and if you don't want to wear it, do your effort to vaccinate more people in your community, especially your damn republican friends who obstinately obeys Trump and right wing media's propaganda against vaccine, instead of showing your meaningless effort to discredit mask wearing.
That is the ONLY reason that we came to this disaster to begin with.
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My photographer, editor and equipment handler/delivery person just told me that they got the Delta virus after filming an interview. Someone at that office had Delta and they were not wearing masks.
And they are all vaccinated.
So for all of you who bitch and complain about the masks…. Shut the FUCK up and stop thinking about yourselves.
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Why vax if you can still get the virus? Why not just mask up?
How long does vax immunity last? I'm seeing less than six months. Will you get a booster every six months?
What's up with the Delta variant besides extra contagious? I'm reading it's like a cold.
How do they test for the Delta variant?
Why did the CDC mandate they drop the PCR test as of December this year? What will replace the PCR test? Will the replacement test catch all variants?
Why did the flu get eradicated in 2020?
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PCR beyond 25 is garbage
PCR was never designed to be used in this way and should never have been
Daily reporting on Delta variant cases is akin to daily reporting on the flu
Its also bullshit
Some uptick in hospitalizations but deaths down dramatically
And, who gives a fuck about whether it's a vax or unvax spreader, you dummies
Regardless, we will get to herd immunity someday
Just like we said in the beginning
You cannot stop it, you never could
And I said that over a year ago
The only thing we did by shutting down the economy
Is prevent the ICU bed shortage during peak times
Wouldn't have mattered who was President
Would have worked out the same
We should have just let the bodies pile up
Then bury them in rawdawgers yard behind the single wide trailer
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^
We don't know yet, scientists are gathering all the info right now in order to fight with the current variant.
However, the one thing is for sure, the vaccine still works against Delta variant (especially with two shots vaccine), and 95% of serious infection occurs to the unvaccinated people, and to those states with low vaccination rates ( ALL of them are republican states) are the most vulnerable right now (don't you ever watch MSM?)
Good(?) news is that UK where more than 70% of population is fully vaccinated (whereas in the US, it is about 55%) started to show the infection cases are plummeting instead of soaring (though we still don't know the reasons behind it).
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I've looked and seen no test that reports Delta vs. any other type
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My message above meant for Flash911
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Lot of unknowns with Delta that scares smarter and more knowledgeable people than me.
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+1 on the PCR test.
The inventer who won a Nobel Prize and a 100,000 that came with it. Is on record as saying it should not be used in testing for Covid.
They can't make this mRNA shot Mandatory until it gets approved by the FDA. Since Pfizer has failed, Pifzer is going the experimental third booster shot. Mean while we get handed more lies as supposedly it is the Vaxxed that are in the hospital. In the Federal lawsuit I believe is the documentation showing how it attacts the heart.
Now I remind everyone of the following. Which it appears most do not understand.
Nuremberg Code (Directives for Human Experimentation)
The Nuremberg Military Tribunals decision in the case of the United States v Karl Brandt et al. includes what is now called the Nuremberg Code, a ten point statement delimiting permissible medical experimentation on human subjects. According to this statement, humane experimentation is justified only if its results benefit society and it is carried out in accord with basic principles that satisfy moral, ethical, and legal concepts. To some extent the Nuremberg Code has been superseded by the Declaration of Helsinki as a guide for human experimentation.
Permissible Medical Experiments. Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10. Nuremberg October 1946 April 1949, Washington. U.S. Government Printing Office (n.d.), vol. 2., pp. 181-182.
1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities
provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required by him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
From; https://www.marshall.edu/ori/nuremberg-code-directives-for-human-experimentation
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Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Greater Protection Than Shot, Data from Israeli Govt. Shows
15 Jul 2021
https://newsrescue.com/delta-variant-natural-immunity-700-greater-protection-than-shot-data-from-israeli-govt-shows/
Dr. Ryan Cole, a Mayo Clinic-trained pathologist who runs the largest independent laboratory in Idaho, explained to me how infection-induced immunity is much deeper and broader. “A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike,” said Dr. Cole, who has spent the past 16 months examining and culturing SARS-CoV-2 specimens. “Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again. Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”
However, in vaccine-induced immunity, according to Cole, “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins.” He explains how this produces much fewer neutralizing antibodies, and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”
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“What NBC News dropped yesterday was the statement, sourced from an unnamed government official, that the titers in the vaccinated were actually higher than in the unvaccinated. What does this mean and why do you suddenly see this sort of frantic scramble? This is precisely what one would see if Antibody-dependent Enhancement was happening.”
“What is Antibody-dependent Enhancement? Briefly, it’s that the vaccine causes the virus to become more infectious than would happen in the absence of vaccination, would cause the virus to replicate in higher levels, than in the absence of [vaccination].”
“This is the vaccinologist’s worst nightmare. It happened with the respiratory syncytial virus and in the 60’s caused more child deaths in vaccine recipients than unvaccinated. It happened with the dengue fever vaccine. And it’s happened with virtually every other coronavirus vaccine development program, certainly in humans, known in history. And it’s what the vaccinologists like myself have been warning about since the outset is the risk of Antibody-dependent Enhancement.”
“The mutations is another misleading set of statements from Dr. Fauci. The escaped mutants that are escaping vaccine selection pressure are most likely developing in the people that have been vaccinated, not in the unvaccinated...”
– Dr. Robert Malone
(ADE info in link below)
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These posts by misinformation superspreaders would be funny if they weren't causing so many people to die.
Every conspiracy theory above is refuted by independent Fact-Checking organizations. The fact that y'all keep repeating them says:
- you aren't good with facts
- you aren't acting in good faith
- you suck at understand science
- you are hyper-partisan
- you have no interest in the truth
- you shouldn't be trusted
TRUTH!
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^ Dr. Malone invented the MrNA test and your blogging cred is now shot, but ok ...
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Laughable article published in news rescue. com, which is obviously leaned to right wing media and most of articles published there shows a lack of transparency and the promotion of conspiracy theories. Flash 911 is officially a demagogue now. Why do you think Israel is the no 1 country in terms of vaccination? You should disclose your true intention for posting such a ridiculous articles
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Rach I am not a demagogue, not a know it all and have no agenda. I am only sharing information I am seeing outside of MSM. Sharing info with little comment does not make me a loud mouth or a braggart. Because you don't approve of the source does not make it false. If you don't want to see it then don't read it. This is a fucking semi-public BLOG.
MasterB, the article mentioned made that claim about Malone. Unlike Rach, I am in no position to verify or be an authority on any of the information posted.
If you want to get the Vax, get the Vax. If you don't then don't. Whatever you chose, do it with your eyes open. Information is still coming out and those that stake out their own moral high ground may well be proven wrong (not that they would ever admit it). Great examples of this are mask / no mask, Vax and no mask / Vax and mask, Vax will protect you, Vax will now make you a spreader of the virus.
When Nancy and others start using phrases like 'following the science' and then their position becomes disproven, the empirical institution of science gets torn down. It is truly shame this shit got politicized.
This virus has a 99.9% survivability rate. In most cases you need a test to know if you have have had it. Mandating a Vax when it's not known if you are sick is like giving Chemo when not knowing if you have cancer. This is MY OPINION. You can have yours and I'm ok with it.
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@Flash911. Well I am afraid that your intention is to discourage people in this community from vaccination. I assume you never got vaccinated for COVID-19, correct? Otherwise you would not post this garbage article in the first place, or will you say it is a matter of privacy just as Tucker Carlson would say?
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By following your logic posted here, we can clearly see your intention. You don’t want wearing masks, you don’t trust vaccination, and telling people to trust your own immunity, and you don’t care if people are dead by following your fake belief that you are imposing on the people in this community, that is why I called you a demagogue
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I wonder what the world would look like today if:
there had been no shutdowns.
there had been no isolation/stay at home orders.
there was no vaccinations.
are there countries we can look at who did absolutely nothing other than letting the citizens make whatever precautions themselves?
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One foreign country comes to mind and that is Florida...
Along with Texas they are totally pushing back on the latest reverse CDC hysteria with the only mandate being the everyone makes their own choice in conjunction with personal physicians advice.
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I'm pretty sure Sweden did too .
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Re: yesterday's Mask guidance from the CDC. I have heard this from multiple sources.
https://twitter.com/dancrenshawtx/status/1420467523502346246
Note: @Rach, don't read it. It does not confirm to your Censored MSM filtered opinion.
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Maybe the CDC could pull their heads out of their ass and recommend that the Southern border be closed.
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As to the difference between reinfection rates from previous infection versus infection rates from vaccination, it's too early to conclude anything about this with much certainty. While clearly infection rates have increased for vaccinated people, I'm also hearing reports that there is in increase in reinfection rates going on as well from Delta:
"This virus is reinfecting people at a much higher rate than the previous versions. Even if you've had COVID, you should get vaccinated." -- Dr. Steven Stack, Kentucky health state commissioner
There is conflicting information about efficiencies concerning the vaccine, so no surprise there might be conflicting information here as well. It doesn't seem like we track reinfection rates as much, unfortunately, or the information gets less notice. We'll find out what happens eventually.
“The mutations is another misleading set of statements from Dr. Fauci. The escaped mutants that are escaping vaccine selection pressure are most likely developing in the people that have been vaccinated, not in the unvaccinated...”
First of all mutations we are seeing now have nothing to do with the vaccine. The Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Gamma website all appeared way before the first vaccine shots were given in the countries of origin.
Secondly, if we were seeing signs of antibody-dependent enhancement ADE, we'd be seeing more severe disease and hospitalizations in the vaccinated group versus the unvaccinated (or in reinfected people vs never infected people). In fact you're seeing the opposite. "The bad thing about antibody-dependent enhancement is that it leads to more severe disease when you're exposed again to the pathogen (or when you're exposed after being vaccinated for that). And we're just not seeing that." So far anyway. Things could change admittedly, but hopefully they won't.
Realize ADE would likely be occurring in reinfected people as well, so this isn't good all around.
Finally, there is no country or state that didn't have a governmental response. That would have been insane. There is a COVID-19 government response tracker sponsored by Oxford university that tracks the level of stringency over time for all countries and US states. You can visualize the results in the link. Some of the results, like for Sweden would surprise you. And if you unpack the data for US states, Florida was in the middle of the pack. They had restrictions early and counties filled in when the state would not.
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covid is done... nr is done.. Bring on the flu.
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& here we go... surfs up boys!! ;D
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@Flash911
I can see you are following Tucker Carlson/Ron Johnson vaccine disinformation;
Here is an article for you to read; "Four Pinocchios for Ron Johnson's campaign of vaccine misinformation" (it may be no use for you, because you are deliberately spreading disinformation as the rest of Trumpturds gathering up here, as if they smelled blood for another insurrection, that is the only logic/impulse they have)
"The fact of the matter is it looks like natural immunity is as strong if not stronger than vaccinated immunity. ... There is a risk to the vaccine"
- Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), in an interview on Hannity'son Fox News, July 14
"For months, the senator has been peddling misinformation about coronavirus vaccines, undeterred by fact checkers, federal health agencies, medical experts and a growing body of scientific research"
THE FACTS
"Doctors, public health experts and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are clear: Get the coronavirus vaccine even if you had covid-19."
"A study released in April by researchers at the University of California, Irvine, which has not been peer-reviewed, found that mRNA vaccines in a small number of subjects produced up to 10 times higher antibody titers "than convalescent plasmas from donors who recovered from natural infection."
"A different study published in Science magazine June 25 showed that after one dose of the Pfizer mRNA, people who had been previously infected actually showed enhanced both T-cell immunity as well as neutralizing antibodies not only against the wild type, but interesting, as I alluded to several sessions ago, you even get some spillover of infection against variants, Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and chief medical adviser on covid-19 to President Biden, said at a White House briefing May 5"
"Johnson repeated two unscientific claims in this Fox News interview, but his phrasing went further than before when he said coronavirus vaccines come with the risk of some pretty serious side effects, including death"
Probably I am wasting my time in doing this, so if you are interested in, read the article.
By the way Flash 911, you evaded my question; whether or not you have been vaccinated "on purpouse"
Trumpturd Rabbit is too busy at telling other people not to vaccinate, even though he already did, whereas simpleton Angel 1 is too obstinate for getting vaccinated
What a bunch of losers
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Here is an interesting primer on antibody-dependent enhancement and vaccines. It gives many examples.
I don’t know enough to say that ADE can’t happen on a large scale in the future with COVID-19, for either natural infection, vaccines, or both.
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It was reported today that installed regime in the White House gave the prior administration credit for the vaccine. That would be a first, but …
Word on the street is the CDC will announce the Vax is non-effective against Delta and hospitalization rates are about equal between the Vaxxed and the normies. Let’s see what comes out.
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Anecdotally, I know a number of people who had asymptomatic Covid.
Then eventually got vaxxed
They became significantly sicker after 1 shot than they were from Covid
It was not an allergic reaction
It was an overabundance of antibodies, according to the doctors I've spoken directly to
The people who had Pfizer or Moderna first shot were told, in no uncertain terms, NOT to have the second shot.
I'm vaxxed, have never to this day tested positive for Covid and am simply reporting this info.
In other words, no political axe to grind
But, it would be untrue to say that there is no downside to being vaxxed
If you're seriously considering it
Get a test to see if you're positive for Covid infection or have the natural antibodies
If so, then you likely have much stronger immunity than a vaxxed person
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Always find it amusing that the clowns that state:
“This virus has a 99.9% survivability rate”
End up dead 🤪
Play stupid games…win stupid prizes
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It seems to me there is a lot of crappy data, misinformation, and unproven assertions coming out now about COVID, including in this blog.
Just be skeptical of what you hear. It will take time, but things will be sorted out.
Meanwhile, take precautions if you are elderly, very obese, or have preexisting conditions.
That's what you can do at this time.
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In conclusion I say this blog is concluded.
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