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$119 from from this lab,
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There's an online option but I forgot the site.
Apparently tcell testing is more difficult than antibody testing
So, we're all fucked unless we get a booster
Covid antibodies don't last or regenerate and there's no adjuvant in the new vaxes
So we're all gonna die a painful death choking on Covid jism
Kinda like SOA
Except I hear he likes jism
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That's antibody test, not T cell
T cell is hard to find, there's only 1 site that I've heard of
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Yea angler thats antibody not T cell. The FDA approved a very accurate T cell test but I cant find it anywhere. 1 place has them for 160 but I have to go quest for the blood draw so idk how reputable it is
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Here’s the latest study on vaccine effectiveness:
“Study of 32,867 COVID-19 vaccinated people shows that Moderna is 95% effective at preventing hospitalization, followed by Pfizer at 80% and J&J at 60%”
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Moderna also shown to produce double the antibodies of Pfizer.
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Mr. T cells' pity the fools who don't express a non-self antigen..
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No one gives a fuck about your vaccine that wasnt what was asked. Natural immunity is better then your little guniea pig experiment. Night phaggot just another uneducated post if you have nothing to do contribute to the topic kindly fuck off
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Tacobandit. Too stupid to do his own basic research, he has to post on an adult website.
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Here’s another relevant link for loser tacobandit.
It should be clear that way or another, you’re going to be forced to get vaccinated. You can only allow retards to kill themselves and endanger society for so long.
Can’t wait for flash911 to interject some brilliance…
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A more relevant post.
My childhood friend’s wife caught Covid in January, caught it again last month, was hospitalized with pneumonia, and was put into a medically induced coma for over a week. Just heard that she got out of the coma. Not sure if she’s out of the woods yet.
There is proof that the antibodies produced by those who have had Covid is inadequate protection from getting infected again and that the vaccines will definitely boost your immunity.
Based on my post above, I would choose Moderna over Pfizer, but Pfizer is fine as well. Don’t get the J&J vaccine since there are better options.
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I’ll tell you what, since I started Testosterone I never get sick. I don’t use needles, it’s a prescription gel that goes under the arm. I take a very low dose, but it has helped tremendously. Of course I rarely got sick to begin with because of supplements/vitamins, in fact the only two times I have really been sick is when I got the flu vaccine 5 yrs ago, & the Shingles vaccine which I’m still dealing with sides. Those two were enough to tell them I’m fine without your jabs, thank you.
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Davis,
Have you asked your doctor why you got sick after taking the vaccines? You may not be a good candidate for them, but I suspect it is exceedingly rare to have such a reaction.
Also, the shingles vaccine is recommended for people 50 years and older. Why did you get it in your 30s?
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@MA-I had a bad outbreak & was going through a very rough patch in my life. I took it on doctors recommendations but later found out how to treat them naturally & effectively like so many others have...I wish I had found that information sooner.
We know more about our bodies than someone you see once, maybe twice a year. Doctors are great in emergency situations. Heart attack, broken bone, stroke, a host of other scenarios. But when it comes to our overall well being, I’ve learned enough & have experienced first hand of so many aiding themselves back to health from cancer, diabetes, to the common flu/cold..which is what the Coronavirus is.
This isn’t 1950 anymore, we are able to share & learn from one another at the tip of our fingertips. My mom beat cancer, naturally, my friends & family, including two 90+ yr olds with underlying conditions beat Covid naturally. If I have an emergency situation, I’ll most likely go to a doctor, but since I’ve started learning of the best possible ways to stay healthy & active, I’m good without Big Pharma in my life.
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I don't understand why you won't get the vaccine developed by Trump. He took it, developed it and his family took it.
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Why would anyone care what Trump takes?
Trump also loves quarter-pounders with cheese..brb..let’s all gorge ourselves with McDonald’s cause Trump.
WTF is this non-logic?
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"There is proof that the antibodies produced by those who have had Covid is inadequate protection from getting infected again and that the vaccines will definitely boost your immunity."
No there isn't, so far every document I've seen attests to natural immunity being better and more comprehensive than the vax, which targets the spike protein.
A few excerpts about what the "science" knows and doesn't know..........NOTE that one doctor states that ever achieving "herd immunity" with Covid may be very challenging. The vaxes are a wonder that could never have been produced just 10 years ago, HOWEVER........they are not the panacea that you (MA) paint them to be, they have issues.
"The three tiers of defense, he said, include full protection against infection and transmission; protection against serious illness and transmission; or protection against serious illness only.
The effectiveness depends on the magnitude of the immune response a vaccine induces, how fast the resulting antibodies decay, whether the virus or bacteria tend to mutate, and the location of the infection.
The threshold of protection is the level of immunity that’s sufficient to keep from getting sick. For every bug, it’s different, and even how it’s determined varies.
“Basically, it’s levels of antibodies or neutralizing antibodies per milliliter of blood,” said Mark Slifka, a professor at Oregon Health & Science University.
(T-cells also contribute to protection, but antibodies are easier to measure.)
A threshold 0.01 international units per milliliter was confirmed for tetanus in 1942 when a pair of German researchers intentionally exposed themselves to the toxin to test the findings of previous animal studies.
“One of them gave himself two lethal doses of tetanus in his thigh, and monitored how well it went,” Dr. Slifka said. “His co-author did three lethal doses.”
Neither got sick.
A threshold for measles was pinned down in 1985 after a college dorm was exposed to the disease shortly after a blood drive. Researchers checked antibody concentrations in the students’ blood donations and identified 0.02 international units per milliliter as the level needed to prevent infection.
hers have calculated a key number—the threshold of protection—for other vaccines. Covid-19’s is still a mystery.
A healthcare worker prepared a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine at a mobile vaccination clinic in Los Angeles last month.
PHOTO: JILL CONNELLY/BLOOMBERG NEWS
By Jo Craven McGinty
Updated Sept. 10, 2021 10:43 am ET
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Why don’t Covid-19 vaccinations last longer?
Measles shots are good for life, chickenpox immunizations protect for 10 to 20 years, and tetanus jabs last a decade or more. But U.S. officials are weighing whether to authorize Covid-19 boosters for vaccinated adults as soon as six months after the initial inoculation.
The goal of a vaccine is to provide the protection afforded by natural infection, but without the risk of serious illness or death.
“A really good vaccine makes it so someone does not get infected even if they are exposed to the virus,” said Rustom Antia, a biology professor at Emory University who studies immune responses. “But not all vaccines are ideal.”
The three tiers of defense, he said, include full protection against infection and transmission; protection against serious illness and transmission; or protection against serious illness only.
The effectiveness depends on the magnitude of the immune response a vaccine induces, how fast the resulting antibodies decay, whether the virus or bacteria tend to mutate, and the location of the infection.
The threshold of protection is the level of immunity that’s sufficient to keep from getting sick. For every bug, it’s different, and even how it’s determined varies.
Windows of immunity for selected vaccines
Hepatitis A 20 year
Human Papillomavirus 10 year
Tetanus 10 year
Typhoid 2 1/2 years
Influenza 6 months
Covid-19 6 months, possibly more but still under study
Sources: San Francisco Department of Public Health (hepatitis A); National Institutes of Health (human papillomavirus); Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (tetanus, typhoid, influenza, Covid-19)
“Basically, it’s levels of antibodies or neutralizing antibodies per milliliter of blood,” said Mark Slifka, a professor at Oregon Health & Science University.
(T-cells also contribute to protection, but antibodies are easier to measure.)
A threshold 0.01 international units per milliliter was confirmed for tetanus in 1942 when a pair of German researchers intentionally exposed themselves to the toxin to test the findings of previous animal studies.
“One of them gave himself two lethal doses of tetanus in his thigh, and monitored how well it went,” Dr. Slifka said. “His co-author did three lethal doses.”
Neither got sick.
A threshold for measles was pinned down in 1985 after a college dorm was exposed to the disease shortly after a blood drive. Researchers checked antibody concentrations in the students’ blood donations and identified 0.02 international units per milliliter as the level needed to prevent infection.
Recent studies have shown that the effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccines is decreasing, though experts say the shots still work well. WSJ explains what the numbers mean and why they don’t tell the full story. Photo illustration: Jacob Reynolds/WSJ
With these diseases, the magnitudes of response to the vaccines combined with the antibodies’ rates of decay produce durable immune responses: Measles antibodies decay slowly. Tetanus antibodies decay more quickly, but the vaccine causes the body to produce far more than it needs, offsetting the decline.
“We’re fortunate with tetanus, diphtheria, measles and vaccinia,” Dr. Slifka said. “We have identified what the threshold of protection is. You track antibody decline over time, and if you know the threshold of protection, you can calculate durability of protection. With Covid, we don’t know.”
Historically, the most effective vaccines have used replicating viruses, which essentially elicit lifelong immunity.
Measles and chickenpox vaccines use replicating viruses.
Non-replicating vaccines and protein-based vaccines (such as the one for tetanus) don’t last as long, but their effectiveness can be enhanced with the addition of an adjuvant—a substance that enhances the magnitude of the response.
The Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines use non-replicating adenovirus and don’t contain an adjuvant. The Pfizer and Moderna messenger RNA Covid-19 vaccines, which work differently, don’t contain any virus at all.
Complicating things further, viruses and bacteria that mutate to escape the body’s immune response are harder to control.
Measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox hardly mutate at all, but at least eight variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, have been found, according to the British Medical Journal.
Flu vaccines can offer protection for at least six months.
Setting aside the complexities of crafting an effective vaccine to combat a shape-shifting virus, some hope has revolved around the possibility of defeating Covid-19 by achieving herd immunity, but, according to Dr. Antia, the way coronaviruses infect the body makes that challenging.
“Vaccines are very unlikely to lead to long-lasting herd immunity for many respiratory infections,” Dr. Antia said. “The herd immunity only lasts for a modest period of time. It depends on how fast the virus changes. It depends on how fast the immunity wanes.”
Part of the problem is that coronaviruses replicate in both the upper and lower respiratory tracts.
“We have good circulation in our lungs and body, but not on the surfaces of our nostrils,” Dr. Slifka said. “We can block severe disease because there are antibodies in the lower respiratory tract.”
But the risk of low-level infections in the upper respiratory tract can persist.
Moving forward, Covid-19 vaccines will be updated to combat variants of the virus, and according to researchers at Imperial College London, the next generation of vaccines might also focus on enhancing immunity in the moist surfaces of the nose and lungs.
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Copy/pasted because you wouldn't be able to see the article if I linked it.
And, there are a significant number of people who are falling thru the gap between proven vax vs. unvax.
Due to prior exposure, some had asymptomatic covid, THEN got vaxed once by Pfizer or Moderna and are now unable or have been told by their doctor to NOT get the second shot due to overabundance of antibodies.......which was proven by antibody testing. This leads to a health decline in some depending on genome, etc. for some period of time although it doesn't appear to be anything like Long Covid.
IDGAF if you wear a mask or not, just NO MORE lockdowns you dumb fucks.
I've been saying for over a year that the downside to lockdowns far outways the gains.
Now, we have the numbers and studies from reputable orgs that show this to be true.
I repeat Mencken again cause some of you are just too fucking dumb to get it the first time.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken
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Davis
Go tell mom you are going back to the basement and go fuck yoursel yo fucing asshole.
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What an asshole.
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Honestly, GBD, I don't know what more I can tell you.
My best friend needs to get 5 blood transfusions a year or he will die because he suffers from an incurable autoimmune disease. Transfusions use huge needles and take an hour to perform each time he does it.
You people are complaining that the vaccine doesn't last forever? It uses a needle so tiny that most people don't even feel it, and you have to do it once or twice a year. Who gives a shit!
If you people actually read the links that I posted in this blog, you should be convinced that you need to get the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine today. Today.
Let me help you with a little more logic:
There are approximately 160,000 DAILY covid infections reported now.
The case mortality rate is 1.6% in the United States right now.
That means 2,560 Americans WILL DIE of those who were infected TODAY.
There were 2,996 people who died on 9/11, which we are remembering today.
The Moderna vaccine is 95% effective in keeping you out of the hospital. That's basically a panacea.
Are you understanding now?
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^ you idiot
I'm not making that complaint
I simply shared with you the complexities of the issue along with what the science knows and doesn't know
As I've said countless times, I got vexed within weeks of it being available, my personal decision
If an uneducated Rep or poor LA Dem chooses different, as an adult, that's their choice
The moron we have as a Pres and the previous moron we had as a Pres and the complete moron Fraudcci and the politicking from the CDC have made both parties aforementioned both confused and fearful of the jab.
The cucurrent demjented Pres says get the jab
Then in the next breath you'll be safe unless you're not safe cause youre a breakthru and spreading Willy nilly
Fuck all, pay attention
And, please heel your RawDawger
Fucking Rawdoggie. ).gif)
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What a bunch of sad fucking losers. Whats it like being a completely pathetic shill for a corrupt govt that doesnt give a shit about you? Remember when they said ddt, asbestos and smoking while pregnant were okay? Stfu about your vax you fucking nazis and answer the question or fuck off
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GBD, you really want to start insulting me when I explained things that even an moron could understand?
Yes, there is misinformation out there that is confusing people. And that’s why I post is to try to help people understand that the bullshit they are reading is just that…bullshit.
I don’t want to make this a political issue, but 88% of Dems are vaccinated and only 55% of Repubs are vaccinated. The misinformation has mostly targeted one side. Of course all adults can make up their own minds, but many are living in a conservative echo chamber and they need to hear the truth to make smarter decisions.
Again, DavisM1 may have a particular issue that would suggest that he avoid any vaccine, including Covid vaccines, and it may be inappropriate for a very tiny number of people, and it likely doesn’t have lasting benefits and you’ll need to get shots every year, BUT WHO GIVES A FUCK!!!!
It’s like saying I don’t want to wear a seatbelt because it will save me 90% of the time in most accidents and because I have to put it on every time I enter the car. Only an idiot would come to that conclusion. So why shit on a vaccine that offers you near perfect protection for nearly a year?
Stop being stupid. Let’s help each other survive this shit.
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tacobandit
Can you please get your IQ tested? You may be one of the dumbest fucks out there.
The way shit works in the real world is that a greedy company creates something like asbestos, ddt, etc., that is very effective as to what it does. Asbestos is an excellent fire repellent in construction, but when it becomes airborne and you breath it in, it has been proven to cause cancer. Lawyers sue the company or companies that make it representing their dying patients. Then the government adds it to a list of hazardous substances.
If you can’t understand this basic progression on how things happen over time, then you’re literally too dumb to live. Maybe you shouldn’t get vaccinated.
Can’t wait until the next stupid comment from a moron who insults other people’s intelligence who are twice as smart as him.
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Dr. Fauci should go on trial at Nuremberg. Along with his cohorts in the government.
US policy forbids gain of function research. But Fauci is quoted as saying that such research is so valuable that even if it escaped and caused a worldwide pandemic it would still be worth it.
Against policy, he spent US money in Wuhan funding gain of function research. It escaped. And now that's what we are dealing with.
The emails are there to prove how he panicked and was afraid he might be found out.
Why hasn't he been arrested? Just another example of the two levels of justice. One for Democrats and bureaucrats sympathetic to their cause...and one for everyone else.
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YellowB2
Why distract from the issue at hand with this bullshit about Fauci (Rand Paul is a fucking moron) and focus on the fact that nearly a 9/11 (in deaths) a day is occurring now in America. And nearly 100% of the deaths are unvaccinated people.
Try to internalize that.
All of the distractions from conservatives is going to bite them in the ass. Rather than save their own people, they throw fuel into the fire by spreading misinformation meant for you to distrust the government officials wanting to help everyone get past this pandemic.
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Hey mildlyphaggo its evident the low iq nazi loser here us you so gtfo your toxic insecurity isnt wanted her neither is your guniea pig experiment so once again kindly fuck off
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Thanks for the incoherent message, TB.
A little butthurt that simple, obvious concepts go over your head? That’s why I post about the vaccines. It’s to help people like you.
Do yourself a favor and have someone explain the things I posted in this blog to you. You may actually learn something.
Anyhow, we have once again devolved into childish name calling rather than attempting to internalize the gravity of the discussion. Tuning out now. Good luck everyone.
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Wow, GBD. That was an excellent article. A lot of solid information packed into a single article. Very nice.
I've been myself interested in COVID vaccines that use an attenuated virus with an intranasal delivery system. These viruses are replicating, so hopefully immunity (of some kind) would last longer than they do with these mRNA & adenovirus vaccines, and there would be more protection in the mucosa membranes in the nose and mouth, which may limit probability of infection further.
But we're always going to be dealing with a nasty bug that mutates, meaning the likelihood of finding a vaccine that lasts a lifetime for COVID very slim, although you can offset this somewhat by choice of technology used for the vaccine.
As an example, I have a link to one of these promising vaccines. It uses a virus with the same protein structure as SARS-2 but with a slightly different DNA code. For some reason unknown to us, the virus is highly attenuated (low viral loads in short period of time), but enough to elicit a good immune response. And this technology also will offset the effect of mutations to the spike protein.
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*mucosa or mucous membrane
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Bring it the fuck over and jab me with that experimental shit, nobody lives forever!
I'll be your huckleberry
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Hate to tell you NR, but B2 is correct.
Gain of function research is specifically verboten in the US, for a reason.
So, Fraudcci uses taxpayer dollars to skirt the ban by going to a political arch-enemy and proven ruthless dictatorship to run his Frankenstein experiments while sharing that info with their military. Then his experiment goes awry in a facility that's KNOWN for lax security and is likely the proximate cause of millions of deaths and trillions of lost human productivity. The topper is they make this modern day Mengele, the head of the effort to cure the virus he created!!!!!!
WTF???????
Fraudcci is a bigger traitor than Benedict Arnold and a more accomplished mass murderer than Hitler, after the final numbers get added up......Trump was stupid as fuck to hire him and Biden stupid as fuck to keep him.
He should be flayed, wounds salted, then drawn and quartered.........slowly. Might have to take each generation above and below, just to make sure his genome is erased and everybody gets the message......don't do this shit......beyotch
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I really don't know what to say to that.
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The last post or the one before it?
Surprised you that I'd try your experimental stuff, did I?
Bring the lightning down brother!
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Mildyphaggot once again since you have comprehension issues i dont give a fuck about the vaccines. Why is that so hard to get thru your little pathetic brainwashed head? Its simple if you dont know the answer to the original question stfu no one gives a shit about your opinion. Go be a good little sheep somewhere else
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NR still thinks the virus was not man man made.
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I'm not convinced that the vax wears off in that time frame of 6 months.
The big unknown is t-cell (and other related) immunity.
As stated, this is far more difficult to measure.
Many antibodies don't just float around forever
Your body has a complex system for "memorizing" antibodies it's needed in the past.
When needed again, it cranks up the machinery
Its not perfect and is part of your immune system subject to age/wear/tear limitations.
I've been exposed to SARS many times that I'm aware of and this was pre-vax, in close proximity to people who were in the middle of a raging infection.......and, never gotten Covid, testing negative every single time.. My genome is such that I am very unlikely to get it, apparently even asymptomatically and I have no comorbidities. I got the vax simply because of possible transmission to immediate family members who have medical issues......without that consideration, I would likely not have vaxed......just like I don't for the flu every year either.
I've seen Covid antibody test results that literally say that the person has antibodies commensurate with a SARS infection "or similar coronavirus".......WTF?
This test cannot differentiate between coronaviruses???
Seen one spike protein, seen them all?
There are tests that can show naturally induced antibody count vs. Vax induced antibodies but, as i said, t-cell and related are more difficult to count. See link
As an aside, always be wary what you read on Wiki. In 2005, Nature compared Wiki articles to Brittanica articles.....scientific only, not political. Wiki had an average of 4 errors per article, Brittanica had 3........you can imagine how fucked up the political articles are.
Unfortunately, you don't have to imagine how fucked up Rawdawger is, as his fucked-upedness is on full display 24/7/365!
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Vaccines can also be designed with t-cells in mind. There are advantages to focusing on t-cells instead of antibodies. For example, we don't have to worry about ADE or antibody dependent enhancement.
Here is a paper that uses computer modeling to come up with pieces of the COVID virus that would most likely be recognized by different types of t-cells. Some of these pieces are universal for all different COVID virus variants, so that it's less likely we would have to worry about mutations. Other pieces are specific to certain variants, like Delta.
We could then design a vaccine (like an mRNA vaccine) that mass produces these pieces inside the human body to prime the t-cell components of our immune system.
Realize this is a computer modeling study, and the candidates need to be tested in a lab.
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Well, that's nice.
And, they're working on a universal vaccine, fantastic.
It's a long way from modeling to real life.
Something like 95% of compounds tested never show efficacy in humans, even though some work great in a model or a test tube or a rat.
Gotta start somewhere for sure.
Maybe they could experiment on Rawdawger?
Of course, it'd be difficult to tell if there were any negative effects.
How do you measure "more fucked up" than "completely fucked up"?
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This is what your booster shot will get you.......
"Vaccine Nationalism"
Add in Lockdowns and poof...........
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Damn people, live your life in fear or not.
Please let me know when the actual flu has more than 5000 cases per year...
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