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Real estate bubble
Sep 20 2021 11:13AM more by sherkahn
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Any of you investors getting the calls from business partners/fellow investors about the market bubble may pop…. in China?

Remember how our bubble affected the world with cascading back 2008? We may have the same repercussions now.

“ China Evergrande is teetering between a messy meltdown with far-reaching impacts, a managed collapse or the less likely prospect of a bailout by Beijing for what was once the country's top-selling property developer.

Founded in Guangzhou in 1996, Evergrande has epitomised China's freewheeling era of borrowing and building, but with liabilities of nearly two trillion yuan ($305 billion) its possible collapse looms as one of China's largest for years.

Debt and land-buying curbs and hundreds of new rules have been imposed on Chinese developers over recent years as part of a push to cut financial risks and promote affordable housing.

Now, without access to fresh funding, Evergrande cannot pay suppliers, finish projects or raise income, prompting it to hire advisors and warn of default risk. This, along with a buyout, break-up or bailout are the scenarios now being evaluated. read more

And while analysts have played down comparisons to the 2008 collapse of U.S. investment bank Lehman Brothers, which caused crises at counterparties and ultimately seized up global markets, some investors have similar contagion concerns.“
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Harthat
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Sep 20 2021 11:55AM     link to this

Too big to fail?
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Sep 20 2021 12:35PM     link to this

Buy low, sell high.
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Sep 20 2021 01:48PM     link to this

Evergrande is nothing like Lehman brothers. Lehman leveraged sub prime. They have NO real assets as all notes are secondary in nature. No one holding secondary notes can collect if a property goes bankrupt or default on payments. They are literally worthless.

Evergrande has a TON of assets that are either finished, still building or they own the rights to build. They can easily sell the most valuable assets to keep cash flow going and then let the gov't or the financial institutions to restructure the board of directions and restructure the company.

Sharks are salivating at the first bite on their assets. And yes, they are too big to fail but unlike Lehamn, Evergrande got hundreds of billions worth in real properties alone. Let alone their other financial services and insurance policies.

The CCP will never let Evergrande fail or default. The freaking oligarchs within the ranks have been washing their money through Evergrande since Premier Wen's wife got involved with the company a decade ago.

Its literally too big to fail. Just like some of our farming industry, Trump injected 15 billion of our tax dollars for farmers when China stopped buying.. This is the same type of shit. They will get bailed out when they are too important to fail.
remo_williams
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Sep 20 2021 02:37PM     link to this

Yawn.

Last I checked, China was still a communist country.

Standard economic theory & practice Simpy don't apply in a command driven economy.
Zeros
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Sep 20 2021 03:02PM     link to this

Dont worry, the CCP will prop up this company because for them not to do so may cause the Chinese population to take it out on the CCP.

CCP has a history of taking over companies that are going down the drain.

sherkahn
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Sep 20 2021 03:30PM     link to this

Yeah, it’s not the same as Lehman Brotheres, but it may ripple out in different ways with new consequences and be just as bad.
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Sep 20 2021 03:40PM     link to this

the "so called" trump bailout to the farmers was bad?

remo_williams
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Sep 20 2021 04:35PM     link to this

Ok Gloom guy, I"ll bite:

How will it: "it may ripple out in different ways with new consequences and be just as bad."

I don't see Biden confronting china.

I think we can all agree that China won't let anything out that might portray China poorly.

So I'm at a bit of a loss on how this will "ripple out" with any kind of consequence.

Seriously - we can't even determine where COVID19 originated (lab/ wet market) due to their obfuscation. And it's been nearly two years!

Enlighten us.
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Sep 20 2021 04:57PM     link to this

I bought my 2nd house at the bottom of the market and rented out the first one. I'm not sure what happened but my ideal tenant turned into the tenant from hell about three years later. They managed to trash the place before leaving is why I decided to sell instead of renting it out again. I had enough equity to pay off the second house and the capital gains taxes.
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Sep 20 2021 07:35PM     link to this

@insearchofstarfish

Yes, taking our hard earning tax dollars and gave them to the farmers for free is called subsidizing. Another word, socialism. Its the most direct way of re-balancing wealth between the haves and have-nots.

So yes its bad. It is exactly the same thing that we complained about what China is doing- using State Enterprises and subsidizing a ton of money and fixed pricing and have them crushed their competitors. It is exactly the same theory as Quantitative Easing, when we don't have enough money, just print more out of the thin hair because we are the dollars, everyone else will just have to accept it. There is no extra Gold, coins, silver or any type of commodities worth anything to back the QE. Its just empty words.

And all these stimulus checks, giving money to the poor and unemployed are also bad. Taking money from the rich and giving to the poor without any reciprocity is socialism and communism. I lost something without any gain when the gov't decided to take my tax dollars to give it to John Doe because he either lost his job or he's too lazy to work.

So YES, IT IS BAD if you are anti-socialist and anti-communist.

Politicians did this because they wanted votes. They didn't do this because they cared about the real economy. If they cared, they would do it the China way, pump money directly into the businesses and mandate them to hire and retain the employees or look for alternative way of earning. They don't just give out the money to the masses hoping everyone is hardworking and do what's necessary and right. And guess what, with all the hard working jobs available, no one is doing them, they rather stay home to collect UI.

How pathetic.
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Sep 20 2021 08:39PM     link to this

Y'all mother fuckers REALLY need to start divesting in China.

If things go south.... which they eventually will... you REALLY think they won't just take the money and laugh at you?

Investing in foreign powers that hate us is unwise.
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Sep 20 2021 08:40PM     link to this

100% cgem.
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Sep 20 2021 08:43PM     link to this

nothing about china targeting the farmers?

think that just happens? they even talked about it themselves

hard-earned money? where did that farmer bailout come from?



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Sep 20 2021 09:54PM     link to this

Maybe if this happened in any other country yeah, but this is China, they got it under control.
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Sep 20 2021 10:05PM     link to this

Cgem is correct on this one but it's not socialism
It's called "rent seeking" (most of you will need to look that term up, unsurprisingly)
Agribiz has been stealing taxpayer money for 80 years

Half dozen crops get the payday
Why the fuck is that?
Why corn, wheat and sugar beets but not grapes, tomatoes and Cum-quats?
You really think you need corn in your gas?
If so, what you really need is....
A cob up your ass!

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Sep 20 2021 10:18PM     link to this

he B talking about the retaliatory targeting by china of the farmers and subsequent aid trump gave them to weather the battle

trump wrong to do that?


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Sep 20 2021 10:42PM     link to this

Don't you have to pay an up charge for a cob up your ass?
InsearchofStarfish
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Sep 20 2021 10:43PM     link to this

that and the butter also

InsearchofStarfish
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Sep 20 2021 10:47PM     link to this

some will throw the butter in, but that's kinda bullshit as they more than double the price of the last chick who had it all ala cart

maybe they B smarter with the whole business thing

Zeros
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Sep 20 2021 11:43PM     link to this

Yes, the CCP will prop up this company, and even if they fail they will prop up their real estate bubble. Because if they dont the citizens might revolt.


Keep investing in the CCP. They love your money, with no guarantees. CCP will shit on any contract when the shit hits the fan.



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Sep 21 2021 09:42AM     link to this

I MUCH prefer working with the all inclusive packages over the up charge for everything under the sun.
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