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PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 09:55AM more by PSHorneycouple
Tags: Inland Empire , Current Events (All tags)

I'm going propose a comparison that some may not see as fair to compare.

Some states are looking to reduce or limit a woman's right to birth termination. Is there a significant difference between limiting a woman's right to this and anyone the right to REFUSE a medical procedure?

We can all do without the naming calling in any of your comments, please.
      
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Grumpy_Butthead
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Oct 8 2021 10:13AM     link to this

What would a comment be if it did not contain moron, idiot, and such ?

That being said it would be necessary to live in a free country.

In communist and socialist countries there are no rights for the individual. Correction there seem to be a few.
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 11:02AM     link to this

* his or her body
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 11:29AM     link to this

@Barbie

Which is that?

A fetuses right?
A woman's right?
A man's right?
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 11:35AM     link to this

In relation to RIGHTS. I'm sure the question will be posed that a business has the RIGHT to fire an employee for failure to comply. Then the, it's not a RIGHT to be employed, go work elsewhere. Did the employer require said medical procedures upon hiring the employee? Ver doubtful.
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 11:49AM     link to this

@Barbie

Was that directed to me or in general? In either case, not sure how to take that?
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 12:01PM     link to this

I requested my comment be deleted for using an inappropriate word.

Rephrased

When a fetuses right is questioned, I think the usual response is "it's a womans body and it's her right"
If that's the case then shouldn't every human have the right to control his or body?

I guess that only works to win an argument for women in regards to abortion
Pjforfun
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Oct 8 2021 01:13PM     link to this

The next time you have the opportunity to hold a beautiful

Newborn in your arms, ask yourself if it was a mother’s body and

Her right to Kill it up to one day before it’s birth.
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Oct 8 2021 01:33PM     link to this

Does anyone remember the HX "terms of service"?
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Oct 8 2021 01:38PM     link to this

Yup

I sent those to him
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Oct 8 2021 01:41PM     link to this

Change the subject. The other day, i was asked to show my vaccination card to enter, then they asked for my ID to prove it was me. So, I told them it's at home with my voter ID card. The look on their face was priceless.
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 01:50PM     link to this

I voted to have my comment removed. If the community thinks the entire blog needs to go away then it will I guess.

To the of topic.
Having a right to vote is a basis of being a US citizen. Trying to make that right secure and requiring an ID is very important. But some start losing their minds claiming their rights are being infringed on. Go figure

But why is it ok to trample on other rights? Because that's the cause you're supporting at the moment?
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Oct 8 2021 03:39PM     link to this

I call bullshit on the V-card requirement…. And even a bigger pile of steaming BS that you were asked to show ID.
jazz51
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Oct 8 2021 04:03PM     link to this

jarhead....you are the idiot. You obviously have been living under a rock. Read and pay attention to what is happening in the world around you.

You cannot go on a cruise out of LA or Long Beach Harbor without showing proof of vaccination AND having a recent Covid test within 48 hours and showing passport or picture ID.

You cannot go to a major event in LA County if you don't show proof of vaccination or a test within 72 hours AND a picture ID to be able to cross check that the person vaccinated is the person coming to the event.

You also cannot go to a LA bar unless you present proof of vaccination or recent negative test.

See the link for the protocol for USC Football attendance at the Coliseum. Vaccinated OR proof of negative Covid test within 72 hours and a photo ID.

Here is what pops up if you go to purchase Kings hockey tickets.
By purchasing LA Kings tickets and clicking OK below, you agree to the AXS Purchase Agreement & Assumption of Risk, Waiver & Limitation of Liability and also agree to follow the current California Department of Public Health Guidelines for Indoor Mega Events detailed here.

Per the California Department of Public Health Beyond the Blueprint updated guidance for Indoor Mega Events and the CDPH Guidance for Face Coverings, the State requires that attendees be fully vaccinated (i.e. two weeks or more have passed since the attendee has received a single-dose vaccine or the second dose in a two-dose series) or obtain a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours prior to attending the event and that fully vaccinated and unvaccinated persons wear face coverings when attending crowded indoor events.

Please visit www.staplescenter.com/safe for the most up-to-date health and safety guidelines for STAPLES Center.

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http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/BestPractices/FoodandBeverage/
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Oct 8 2021 04:20PM     link to this

mostly just ill-informed peanut gallery comments...not sure have ever seen anything more than a one-line comment
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 04:28PM     link to this

^^^^^^^^

Usually when one does not have facts or literature to back up a stance, its going to be a one liner. Either for shock value or attention. But I guess those are really both the same thing.
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Oct 8 2021 04:39PM     link to this

The irony of all of this is actually sad yet funny because people fall for the rhetoric intended to inflame their passions.

When conservatives were asking for voter identification requirements; the progressives were claiming that underprivileged would not be able to produce any ID. However now the progressives are clearly indicating that everybody has this same ID and must go get even kore documents simply to go out for dinner.

The same irony is pointed out by the OP. For years progressives have been supporting my body my choice when it comes to a woman’s right to choose; while the conservative base was saying that right shouldn’t exist. But, come to the jab, and positions reverse. Conservatives are now claiming my body, my choice unless your pregnant….

At the end of all of this rhetoric is the goal to control us all by both groups….




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Oct 8 2021 04:59PM     link to this

Rainmaker.....I think the Conservatives are speaking out about the "my body" to point to the hypocrisy of the left. Likewise, now everyone has ID for vaccination purposes...again the hypocrisy of the left.
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Oct 8 2021 04:59PM     link to this

I'd start with John Stewart Mill who once proposed that the only limit to be put on a person's liberty, "for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."

But there is wiggle room here, and different people for different situations are going to come up with different standards for how much a person's liberty should be limited as well as how much harm to others is permissible.

So, we're stuck at square one again. It's going to totally be some subjective view based on a person's beliefs and values.

Some believe we should prevent a woman from getting an abortion to protect the developing fetus.
Some believe we should put social pressure on people to vaccinate to minimize spread and therefore minimize harm to vulnerable people.
Some believe we should force people to wear seatbelts.
Some people believe we should limit the amount of guns in this country to reduce the chances of them getting into the hands of criminals.

And some people think that each one of these is too much of an infringement on people's liberties relative to the amount of harm that may be prevented.





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Oct 8 2021 05:00PM     link to this

You guys need to go talk to girls in real life 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Oct 8 2021 05:02PM     link to this

You are right.
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Oct 8 2021 05:03PM     link to this

Come to Sharkes in Newport Beach at 8pm. Entrance on me
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Oct 8 2021 05:05PM     link to this

or VR


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Oct 8 2021 05:37PM     link to this

As a dude, what are my rights............. if I get pregnant?
No snarky comments, please.
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Oct 8 2021 05:44PM     link to this


Democrats: “my body my rights” when it comes to abortion and plants.

Republicans: “my body my rights” when it comes to vaccines.

Libertarians: “my body my rights” at all times in all circumstances so long as the rights of another are not infringed.

Libertarians: love watching the hypocrisy of both R and D.

Libertarians: love watching the world burn.

Libertarians: hope we do better than 0.50% in the polls next time.

Libertarians: if you want less of something, legalize it. That includes abortion.

Republicans and Democrats: look at those idiots.

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Oct 8 2021 05:47PM     link to this

those fucking people...IT has to be a personal game to see how many people they can PUNK in believing any of that shit


if you think you're pregnant, might need to just take a big poop



PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 06:00PM     link to this

"Social pressure"

I'd say that describes a scenario where restaurants or others businesses limits ones patronage based on a specific criteria.
I would not say that firing individuals fits under that brush stroke. Having an intervention for a loved one may be a social pressure. A strong suggestion, but not a totalitarian effort.

How about we all set aside the questions about whether it works or if its safe? How about just coming to some kind of common ground that the "mandatory" part is the issue with most if not all conversations in the current political blogs.


Since I don't have percentages for the vulnerable that have been given "protection", I'm going to guess that number is high though.
So what is their risk? Can we say 5 percent? If the rest don't not want be forced into receiving that "protection", what is their risk? Those who refuse are the ones taking the considerable risk, correct? I think most do accept that risk.

When talking about harm, shouldnt we also consider intent?

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Oct 8 2021 07:00PM     link to this

lib·er·ty

the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.
PSHorneycouple
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Oct 8 2021 07:21PM     link to this

Fourteenth Amendment

.... No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws ....

Guess this is another RIGHT being overlooked, dismissed or trampled on.
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Oct 8 2021 09:54PM     link to this

Might want to include this one too......

"The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, a part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] It expresses the principle of federalism, also known as states' rights, by stating that the federal government has only those powers delegated to it by the Constitution, and that all other powers not forbidden to the states by the Constitution are reserved to each state.

Very little is delegated to the Federal government in the Constitution.
You think that's stopped them from grabbing everything that isn't nailed down?

To a Libertarian, the phrase "Rule of Law"
Is a sad pathetic fucking joke

We owe this one to the same cunt that literally threw American citizens into prison camps..........
POS FDR
SCOTUS gave it up without much of a fight......chickenshits.


The Supreme Court used the tenth amendment to strike down many acts of Congress that tried to implement progressive reforms on a national level. The disagreement reached crisis proportions during the Franklin D. Roosevelt's first term, when the Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional many of the important features of the New Deal. FDR was prepared to pack the court with new and pliable justices, but public opinion persuaded him to abandon the attempt. It became unnecessary when the court reversed course and gave approval in Roosevelt's second term in cases similar to ones they had struck down earlier.
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