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The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label.
The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized.
The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party,’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”
Put another way, vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.
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Soooo why are we doing all of this again.....
Asking for a friend.
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Israel Covid cases spiked as they began rolling out the THIRD booster.
Have started taking their FOURTH booster.
Sweden, where natural immunity is supreme, had very little rise as Delta struck.
NO BOOSTERS
NO MANDATES
NO MASKS
Which country performed better?
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" Soooo why are we doing all of this again..... "
Well,partially because A LOT of people lie. I've been around people who don't want to get the vax and they say, "Well, I've already had Covid so I'm immune now" even tho I have been around them or been in touch with them over the last two years and never have they told me, or anyone, that they had contracted Covid ... now they've had it, survived and they don't need to get "no damn vax" ... OK.
Also, our society if extremely litigious. Imagine being a bar owner. You don't require people to show proof of vax to come into your bar. Then people start coming down with Covid. I can almost guarantee that some yahoos will lawyer up and sue the bar owner for their getting Covid by allowing people into the bar without showing proof of vaxing. Hell, even with showing proof, you are taking a chance because people will still sue you. But at least you can argue that you did your due diligence. Unfortunately our society has made it necessary for us to do things that logic can not back up. I blame the lawyers !!!!! "...if you even THINK that you have been wronged, call us ... we will take your case ... no proof necessary !!! "
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I got an answer, A Firm one straight up your fucking Ass. Butt someone else can go first.
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And like i said b4, on main stream Florida news 7 out of 10 dying from covid have been vaccinated,
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Sure..the vaxx is working lol
July 9. 45 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed
https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_18.pdf
July 23. 59 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed
https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_19.pdf
August 6: 149 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed
https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf
September 3. 555 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed
https://assets.publishing.service.go...2_21_09_02.pdf
September 17. 891 more vaxxed deaths than unvaxxed
https://assets.publishing.service.go...3_21_09_16.pdf
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We don't know how long natural immunity lasts. Some estimates from a comparative evolution study is a median of 16 months with a range of 3 months to 5.1 years. There is a lot of variance with this, which complicates issues further. When people with natural immunity lose that ability, how will they know? How will they reacquire immunity? Will they willfully go out and get reinfected? Probably not. A vaccination program with boosters would be the best way they could continue on with protective immunity.
Hence all adults should vaccinate unless there are medical risks from taking a vaccine (like my friend with chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy) or religious reasons.
Boosters using current or future vaccines is the way to reduce transmission and infection and reduce the incidence and amplitude of waves.
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and if you take the shots, limited immunity lasts 4-5 months. Please take a 4th shot nr...
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Swedish Official information about Covid-19.
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Considering your antibody count falls by 40% monthly post 2nd shot can someone explain why they would get vaccinated?
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Yale said on fox months at
That those who had
SARS A FEW YEARS ago
The antibodies lasted for up to 17 years
Same variation must be made with
SARS-cov-19
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The sanJay guy was just on joe Rogan couple days ago.
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1. SARS-CoV is not SARS CoV2. Read the paper I linked. Different results in terms of length of immunity, as stated in the paper.
2. With the vaccine, you get protection against serious disease (90% reduction, not 100%) without having to play roulette by getting COVID. This level of protection seems to hold up for most groups, unless you are elderly and have major health issues. It also protects against infection, although that wanes some with time, but not as much as stated in the Israeli data that likely had confounders. Neutralizing antibody levels correlate but aren't vaccine effectiveness values.
So you get a booster every six months with these mRNA vaccines in order to maintain protection against infection and transmission. Big deal. People take medications with far more side effects every day of their lives. I'd worry more about those than the vaccine.
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"and if you take the shots, limited immunity lasts 4-5 months. "
nope. not true
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The 17 years figure for SARS-1 is for T-cells, not antibodies, and that would likely protect against severe disease, not infection.
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The vaccine does not give you 90% reduction though...here is the actual efficiency
AZ - 1.3%
Pfizer - 0.84%
Moderna - 1.2%
J&J - 1.2%
Pretty unimpressive, huh? Here's how to understand these figures. For J&J, it means this.
If you have a control group of 1000 people who didn't get vaccinated. If 20 caught COVID, then they have a 2% (20 out of 1000) chance as a group of catching it. Now, let's say a different group of 1000 people took the J&J vaccine. Later 8 people caught COVID. Their risk was 0.8%. The ARR is then 2% - 0.8% = 1.2%. The vaccine is really only helping 12 people out of every 1000 from catching COVID. Like I said, pretty unimpressive. Drug companies know this, so they use the RRR number.
In this case, RRR would be 12/20 = 60%. That sound much more impressive. 60% of the people who caught COVID without the vaccine wouldn't have caught it if they'd taken the vaccine. These are the numbers the media and drug companies are using. They are misleading, obviously.
360/600 = 60% (RRR) as well, but that corresponds to an 24% ARR, which is much more impressive in terms of protecting people. As you can see, understanding the numbers matters. Most people will not even think twice when presented with RRR numbers because they don't know they're being tricked.
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I think Davis is pointing out that we've been conned.
I'm glad I've boosted my immune system naturally
and refuse to take the vaccine.
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Yes, so many have been conned. Are they stupid? Not really. Uninformed , perhaps because of there happiness level they choose to stay that way and let someone else take care of it. We are in good hands right ?
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Davis is right....
For the Emergency Use Authorization report was the following....and yes I read ALL 53 pages.
20,000 people got the vax and .70% got covid
20,000 people got the placebo and .74% got covid
The REAL difference is a measly ,04% difference.....
But but you say the media/Pfizer said it was 95% effective.
Now take .7 and divide it into .04......and THAT is where you get 95%.
THEY LIED........
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How many of you in this blog know of people who have caught Covid more than once? How does that align with your bullshit arguments about natural immunity?
I keep on mentioning the wife of a childhood friend who caught it in January and again two months ago and nearly died from it.
Natural immunity after catching Covid depends on how severe the illness was when you caught it. If it was a mild or asymptomatic illness, you have week natural immunity. If you had severe Illness, your immunity is much stronger.
I linked a fact check of what Fauci actually said about the Israeli study. As usual, this entire blog is misleading. He talks about durability of immunity and getting vaccinated ensures durability.
And the link Davis posted is to a video on Dropbox. You know it must be credible if you need to support your arguments with videos that are likely being taken down from actual websites. I guess 750,000 American deaths is a number you’d prefer to ignore.
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I'll just leave this right here for MA (Mr. Amusing)
Latest UK Data: Vaccinated People 3-times More Likely To Die From Delta Variant Than Unvaccinated:
https://newsrescue.com/latest-uk-data-vaccinated-people-3-times-more-likely-to-die-from-delta-variant-than-unvaccinated/
Sourced material from UK Gov study:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001354/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf
The article also references WSJ published material on Isreali stats as well, but all in all it's a bit fated (3+ months ago)
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These political blogs are a complete waste of time. Who cares about convincing anyone of anything in contentious disagreements that inevitably lead to insults.
Blogs highlighted on the homepage should be focused on what this site is about, or at least be entertaining and seek to bring people together rather than focused on what sets us apart.
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The above analysis is flawed because maybe in a few weeks you would get only 20 unvaccinated people out of 1000 and only 8 vaccinated people out of 1000, but as more time passes, more and more people will get it. And if efficacy is conserved, 20 unvaccinated becomes 40 becomes 80 unvaccinated who get it, while 8 unvaccinated becomes 16 becomes 32 vaccinated. That's why RRR is a better measuring stick than ARR. The relative reduction that remains true is the key metric, not the absolute reduction that is dependent on when you measure.
(20-8)/20 = (80-32)/80.
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Bro this isn’t science direct no one cares about this shit. It’s not getting you points with the girls.
When you come out of the basement I will lock that shit up so you go outside and make some real friends!!!
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"Latest UK Data: Vaccinated People 3-times More Likely To Die From Delta Variant Than Unvaccinated"
No disrespect to the poster of this information, but here's my analysis:
Of course what that web site does not tell you is when the researchers calculated original efficacies against death, they randomized who would get the vaccine and who wouldn't, so no confounders would skew the results of the calculation.
Instead, for the very small number of people that died in this UK data -- 50 vaccinated vs 38 unvaccinated -- it's very likely that there are confounders here, meaning those that died who were vaccinated were likely older and far sicker than those who died that were unvaccinated. If you use the tested efficacy value against death (~90%), you can extrapolate and hypothesize if not for the vaccine, the 50 who died would have turned into 500 people -- 450 extra would have died.
See pick below to observe how much better vaccinated people did in Israel compared to unvaccinated.
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Taiwan is reporting more vaccine deaths than COVID deaths.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-14/deaths-following-vaccination-reported-taiwan-exceed-nations-covid-deaths
Sourced from their FDA,
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huh...seems like Sweeden did it better.....
NO MASK
NO MANDATES
NO LOCKDOWNS
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PS
This is NOT a political blog.
This is about FREEDOM.
Its about the ability of one to decide to take medication or have the right to not put something in THEIR own body.
Please do not insult my intelligence and simplify this to political terms.
I do NOT care who gets vax'd or not.
Its YOUR personal decision made in conjunction with your doctor...family....etc.
If its POLITICAL at all....its the LEFT making it so.
Have you not been reading the headlines......Dr...Nurses....Pilots....Teachers....walking away from being FORCED to take the jab.
This is about FREEDOM........PERIOD.
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@MA-Everyone I know that caught Covid more than once was after the vaccine was introduced. I myself caught it twice. It is because of the vaccinated. Understand that a breakthrough case means it “broke through” the vaccines..which is what Delta is. Covid would have been gone & done if no one was vaccinated. That’s the truth of it. The second time I got Covid was from a fully vaccinated with booster individual, she is younger than me, yet she was hospitalized, & I was not. I had built up antibodies, she lost her antibodies by being vaccinated.
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This is NOT a political blog.
This is about FREEDOM.
yes it is. the vax issue is a partisan attack from the radical right, done. who fueled the attack??
45 did, plain and simple. he didnt want to acknowledge the virus cause it would hurt his
re-election bid.
Its about the ability of one to decide to take medication or have the right to not put something in THEIR own body.
i call BS on this angle. this is about stopping the spread and even the evolution of the virus.
it cannot not be done if we have false prophets claiming its rights issue. what about the people
who dont want to get the bug?? what about the rights of those people?
Please do not insult my intelligence and simplify this to political terms.
i just did.
I do NOT care who gets vax'd or not.
yes you do,
Its YOUR personal decision made in conjunction with your doctor...family....etc.
and if your dr says to get it...?? what then?
If its POLITICAL at all....its the LEFT making it so.
this comment proves how you are politically motivated. you singled out the left.......???
Have you not been reading the headlines......Dr...Nurses....Pilots....Teachers....walking away from being FORCED to take the jab.
good, let them leave, isnt that a choice??
This is about FREEDOM........PERIOD.
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The vaxx is only .8% effective & drops 40% with each booster..explain how it is needed. Natural antibodies lasts up to 5-7 yrs & grow stronger..
I’ll wait
Surely you’ll deliver
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Being a retired healthcare medical worker it’s my firm belief that yes natural immunity from any disease process is probably preferable to being vaccinated. But when you acquire a COVID-19 vaccine you know that you’re highly protected. If you get the infection and you survive the infection you could have a long-term side effects. For instance lack of taste and smell for months at a time. Long-term nonproductive cough‘s. And then of course having a 1% chance of dying. So for me personally I’ve taken the vaccine. Just a thought I could be wrong. !
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Florida is tied for 48th in lowest case rate in the country, per Daily Wire.
Cases are down 88% in the past 1.5 months with no new statewide policy — no mask mandate or vaccine passports.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/florida-rate-of-covid-infections-third-lowest-in-u-s-in-last-week
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A very good video of Vax effectiveness rates in the media, reported over time.
Just watch; it's quite funny.
https://rumble.com/embed/vl2old/?pub=4
Source - Twitter.
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I think Mad4boobs forgot that the Dems used the pandemic to defeat
Trump.
It has long been held that you have the right to refuse medical treatment.
But now the government says they know what's best for you and that
you must be vaccinated.
I hope the Supreme Court steps in and decides wheather the government
can force you to take medication.
FYI, in CA, the mentally ill do not have to take medication to
control their behavior unless it can be shown that they are a threat
to themselves or others. In CA, you have the right to be crazy!
How do I know this? I have to deal with a mentally ill brother on
a daily basis.
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"Florida is tied for 48th in lowest case rate in the country, per Daily Wire.
Cases are down 88% in the past 1.5 months with no new statewide policy — no mask mandate or vaccine passports."
The point is, things likely wouldn't have been as bad in Florida recently if they did encourage mask use and had more adults vaccinate.
Unnecessary infections led to a sharp rise in natural immunity, which is now helping to bring cases down.
But at a cost.
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@ davis, what is the source for your (mis)information?
@ db, sorry, 45 used the pandemic to loose. not to mention his nutcase rants. this is how much of a loser he is: he could have reacted accordingly and took down the pandemic, like he should have been. hell, the bone-head could have been a hero, but nope. took the low road and didnt want to use the playbook. now look, 700K dead.
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Sorry NR.....
Can NOT say more people would be better off having had the jab.....
BUT...
One could say with more certainty more people would be alive if they did not get the jab.
More people would not have had adverse reactions to it....800K and growing.
Also have not share this....but....2 days after getting the jab my uncle died from it.
Perfectly healthy.
Should be individuals freedom to choose to get it or not. PERIOD.
THAT IS THE POINT....Individual Freedom.
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Are you not free to choose to get the shot or not? From what I can tell you are free to make the choice. I just see that many don't like the repercussions of not getting it. That's a different argument.
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So are the lil guys free to choose? I mean, they HAVE to attend school..no?
What’s the Covid death rate for them? .0000001
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No ... they can be home schooled .... then the choice could be made to not get them a shot. This may be inconvenient (if not at all possible) for some parents, but it is a choice that is available to you. Again, you may not like, or be able to deal with the repercussions, but the ability to choose is there. And again, that is a different argument from "not having the choice" to do something.
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