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This here is what people are not understanding. Natural immunity is far greater than any Vaccine, even Pfizer scientists confirm this..Antigenic shift (mutation) is a common normal biological function. Even though Cronavirus are considered more stable in this regard than flu/virus, nevertheless inevitably will occur within large population infection spread. This is precisely why vaccines have little to no chance of effectiveness for Corona type viruses. History has proven this true over and over. Corna vaccines are notoriously problematic ( mostly due to rapid weakening) and have never been successful.
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1. History has proven you cannot Vax your way out of a pandemic (or a Plandemic).
2. We have never been able to eradicate the Flu or Common Cold, but all of a sudden these gene altering Vaccines work with a new / novel Coronavirus?
Or, is this actually about something else?
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"History has proven you cannot Vax your way out of a pandemic (or a Plandemic)."
Not true. Worried about polio (a huge problem back in the day)? No you aren't thanks to vaccines. How about the measles? Same difference. How about smallpox? Eliminated from the earth thanks to vaccines.
See chart below.
Vaccines & boosters will likely be the reason the COVID pandemic ends. Once enough of the world is vaccinated, waves will become much more infrequent with smaller amplitudes.
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Nope, Polio was practically gone long before vaccinations. Came out 57late 56 due to Sanitation practices, became almost non-existant. Same with Whooping Cough, Scarlett Fever, & Measels. Go back & look at cases before & after vaccination
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Polio vaccine is a sterilizing vaccine. Huuuuge difference. Rona vaccines are the leakiest ever given authorization
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Oh, no ...
"Whistleblower: FDA and CDC Ignore Damning Report that over 90% of a Hospital�s Admissions were Vaccinated for Covid-19 and No One Was Reporting This to VAERS"
Not saying it is verified or true but interesting to keep an eye on ...
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/whistleblower-fda-and-cdc-ignore-3e2?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=
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"Nope, Polio was practically gone long before vaccinations. Came out 57late 56 due to Sanitation practices, became almost non-existant. Same with Whooping Cough, Scarlett Fever, & Measels. Go back & look at cases before & after vaccination"
If you took time to look at the graph I posted above, that clearly is not what happened.
And vaccines don't have to have complete sterilizing immunity to end epidemics (source 1). The vaccine for Pertussis didn't have it. There has to be some reduction in infections and transmission, which clearly the Covid vaccines and boosters have (source 2).
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I have several graphs that show different, but for some reason, cannot post them, if you want I’ll text you..but Polio, Measles, Whopping Cough, Typhoid Fever, Scarlett Fever, Diphtheria, we’re all gone before the vaccines came out. Should read up on Germ Theory vs Terrian Theory, you’d find it interesting. All these drug companies sold you on a solution..how people still have trust in them amazes me. I mean the 5th most owned stock by members of Cogress is Pfizer. ..that should tell you something.
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Rider we go back & forth, but I’d have a drink with you anytime. Srs.
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these blogs about Covid are starting to get old...the virus was mainly contained due to the vaccine. Be forward looking
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Keep it up
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"Following the widespread use of poliovirus vaccine in the mid-1950s, new cases of poliomyelitis declined dramatically in many industrialized countries. A global effort to eradicate polio began in 1988, led by the World Health Organization, UNICEF, and The Rotary Foundation.[87] These efforts have reduced the number of cases diagnosed by 99.9 percent; from an estimated 350,000 cases in 1988 to a low of 483 cases in 2001, after which it remained at a level of about 1,000–2000 cases per year for a number of years."
Not gonna copy/paste on other vaxed diseases but it's bs that these diseases were conquered before the corresponding vax was invented.......seriously........it's one thing to argue about a novel approach to vax production and the possible ramifications.
Trashing past vaxes that are proven is just fucking stupid and weakens your arguments vis a vis the Covid vax.
Interesting sidenote however, in the last reporting year, there were twice as many vax derived cases of polio vs. wild cases.........364 vs. 175 worldwide.
At some point, I guess there's diminishing returns.
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“these blogs about Covid are starting to get old...the virus was mainly contained due to the vaccine. Be forward looking”
Huh??
Delta is a breakthrough case, breakthrough cases happen because the virus “broke through” the protection of the vaccine (which only has a .8% protection), the only reason Variants exist is due to the vaccinated.
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@shr00mz-dude you are such a fukin...dork.
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"the protection of the vaccine (which only has a .8% protection), the only reason Variants exist is due to the vaccinated."
not true at all.
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Completely true
Vaccine does not give you 90% reduction though...here is the actual efficiency
AZ - 1.3%
Pfizer - 0.84%
Moderna - 1.2%
J&J - 1.2%
Pretty unimpressive, huh? Here's how to understand these figures. For J&J, it means this.
If you have a control group of 1000 people who didn't get vaccinated. If 20 caught COVID, then they have a 2% (20 out of 1000) chance as a group of catching it. Now, let's say a different group of 1000 people took the J&J vaccine. Later 8 people caught COVID. Their risk was 0.8%. The ARR is then 2% - 0.8% = 1.2%. The vaccine is really only helping 12 people out of every 1000 from catching COVID. Like I said, pretty unimpressive. Drug companies know this, so they use the RRR number.
In this case, RRR would be 12/20 = 60%. That sound much more impressive. 60% of the people who caught COVID without the vaccine wouldn't have caught it if they'd taken the vaccine. These are the numbers the media and drug companies are using. They are misleading, obviously.
360/600 = 60% (RRR) as well, but that corresponds to an 24% ARR, which is much more impressive in terms of protecting people. As you can see, understanding the numbers matters. Most people will not even think twice when presented with RRR numbers because they don't know they're being tricke
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Oh and umm..I think someone has some explaining to do...
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ARR is not an effective way to judge a treatment because it depends on the length of time of the study. If you let the study go for a lot longer, many more of the 1000 will be infected, and the ARR changes. (It actually will get a lot higher then).
The RRR is independent of this. It doesn't depend on the length of time and therefore is a more useful stat. That's why epidemiologists use RRR, not ARR, when testing a treatment.
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"Rider we go back & forth, but I’d have a drink with you anytime. Srs."
Yeah. We should do that! 
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I've been to several clubs in Los Angeles county and the
vast majority of customers are not wearing masks, yet
all the employees have to wear masks.
What a joke.
There was plenty of evidence that the weak and vulnerable and those
over 65 should have been isolated as much as possible and
let the rest of the people go about their business.
But no! Not in the U.S. The Dem politicians had a chance to
to control the masses with convid as an excuse.
More misery to come because of the effort of Dem politicians
and corporations attempting to control the people.
BTW, has anyone noticed that Japan has less than 18,000 deaths
due to covid with a population of 126 million.
Why? I believe the major reason is that the Japanese are extremely hygenic.
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BTW, for those of you who want everyone vaccinated, when are they
going to make the homeless and the illegals get vaccinated.
And what will be the consequences if they don't? LMAO ).gif)
Did you know that members of congress and their staff are
exempt from Biden's vaccination mandate?
What a joke! 
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The Post Office is exempt also...
Pandemic. 
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@NR
NOT TRUE....you can NOT vax yourself out of a pandemic with the FLU virus....
WHY....
It has an animal host. And therefore can mutate.....
Polio....does NOT.
FFS....study a little please.
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Look you morons as we sit here and wank eachother off life goes on. Life is Evolution in slow motion. We have to stay ahead of whatever is chasing us down. Thank God we figured out how to stay ahead of lions,tigers and bears. Evolutionary speaking.
That means we have to use what gives us the advantage over a virus. Our fucking brains. So, you who have not been "gifted " with that vital advantage shoud .STFU.
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Out of all the threads to rehash, you had to go & dig up the one with chicks with dicks.
Phaggot detected
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@Waterdisport22. Of course we can end a pandemic and gain control of transmission via vaccination. Having an animal reservoir makes it harder, but genomic surveillance will help watch for the latest sweeps of new variants, and vaccines with rapidly updated sequences, can be dispersed every six months or so.
Why don’t you invest some time into studying science instead of reading and writing propaganda?
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Also, we have used vaccines in the past to prevent zoonotic spread.
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You are talking about antifa..I mean they are the ones that got caught putting on Trump hats & storming onvideo lol.
But like most libs..that’s what daddy issues result in
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Rider-CDC changed definition of vaccine, so does it really matter..?
You & others did not take a vaccine
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Scarlet fever is a zoonotic disease that we have successfully used vaccines for.
“ The bacteria that causes this disease is primarily passed among animals such as sheep, goats, cattle, deer, pigs, dogs, and several other animals. Humans become infected after having contact with animals that are infected with Brucellosis.”
For fuck’s sake, Waterdisport, study up a little…
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“CT NUT”...umm..
Before:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
After
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
Imagine being a single digit NPC & not understanding this..
MudBlood gonna MudBlood
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The difference stems from the fact that with mRNA vaccines, the immune system doesn’t interact directly with the mRNA but rather with the spike protein produced by your body and the mRNA. No big deal.
The mRNA is translated into spike protein which is safely broken down via cells, and bits and pieces of the spike protein are introduced to MHCs of the immune system by cells.
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Pretty sure it’s a big deal. This is fraud. For the CDC to falsely get people to believe they are consenting to an injection that confers immunity, & this change the definition.
If fraud is proven, then the Big Pharma contracts with the federal government that contain the "immune from liability" clauses can be invalidated.
This is a move to cover their asses.
Btw the spike protein creates the same issues within the body. If the body doesnt make the same protein as that on the surface of the virus, the vaccine wont work. Because the immune response will not be to the same thing. So, if its the spike protein thats dangerous, and the spike proteins your body makes are the same (and if they are not, the 'vaccine' is useless anyway) then the spike proteins you make will be dangerous.
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It's not a fraud because the vaccine has been proven to give immunity. See the dozen or so articles that demonstrate this.
The spike proteins are harmlessly broken down by cells in the lymph nodes, and the pieces are introduced to t cells.
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Umm..no, the vaccine does not give immunity whatsoever. It’s why they changed the definition...your antibody count falls by 40% monthly post 2nd shot
Results A total of 2,653 individuals fully vaccinated by two doses of vaccine during the study period and 4,361 convalescent patients were included. Higher SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody titers were observed in vaccinated individuals (median 1581 AU/mL IQR [533.8-5644.6]) after the second vaccination, than in convalescent individuals (median 355.3 AU/mL IQR [141.2-998.7]; p<0.001). In vaccinated subjects, antibody titers decreased by up to 40% each subsequent month while in convalescents they decreased by less than 5% per month. Six months after BNT162b2 vaccination 16.1% subjects had antibody levels below the seropositivity threshold of <50 AU/mL, while only 10.8% of convalescent patients were below <50 AU/mL threshold after 9 months from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Conclusions This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group.
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Spike protein disrupts human cardiac pericytes function through CD147-receptor-mediated signalling
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fragments of the S protein may elicit vascular cell dysfunction through CD147, independently from
the infection. This mechanism has the potential to spread cellular and organ injury beyond the infection
sites and may have important clinical implications. For instance, in patients with disrupted endothelial
barrier and increased vascular permeability due to underlying diseases, such as hypertension, diabetes, and severe obesity, S protein molecules could easily spread to the PC compartment and cause, or exacerbate, microvascular injury.
Blocking the CD147 receptor may help protect the vasculature of the most vulnerable patients from infection and the collateral damage caused by the S protein.
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Truly I don’t understand how you state myths vaccines give immunity. If this were true, then we would not see a consistent spike in cases & deaths whenever & wherever vaccines are rolled out.
Data Analyst Proves Covid-19 Deaths Increased Dramatically AFTER The Vaccine Roll-Out In Over 40 Countries
A quantitative data analyst has compiled data from Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center and published a video showing a dramatic spike in alleged Covid-19 deaths after the introduction of the experimental Covid-19 injections in over forty different countries.
Link 1
The pharmaceutical companies and the government know full well of the adverse reactions and deaths (probably far higher than 13,000) and that information is precisely the reason for their abnormally strong push to everyone vaccinated. Why? Because they have to get rid of the control group (the unvaccinated) in this experiment.
If a significant number of people don't get the inoculations, then when bad things begin to happen to the inoculated, they will some explaining to do.
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The mRNA vaccines have shown effectiveness against infection, against transmission, and against severe disease in many different studies. Just because antibodies wane doesn’t mean people lose complete immunity. Just take a booster. Immunity against disease comes back full strength. It should be noted natural immunity also wanes. How are people going to booster that? That’s the problem with natural immunity.
Secondly, the spike protein produced by mRNA isn’t loose in the bloodstream like its virus counterpart. It is quickly taken up in the lymph nodes by cells that break it down via proteases and produce fragments (antigen) on the cell surfaces that are registered by major histocompatibility complexes of T cells and other cells of the immune system. This is textbook immunology.
There is no causal link between the vaccine and 99.9+% of deaths or tragic accidents. The very rare incidents of blood clots (in younger women from adenovirus vector vaccines) myocarditis (in young men from mRNA vaccines), and Guillain-Barte syndrome (in adenovirus vector vaccines) have been well documented. No one is hiding these. If you have medical conditions like neuropathy, please speak to your doctor before taking one of these vaccines. If you are uncertain for any reason about taking these vaccines, please speak to your doctor. Thank you.
Pm me if you want any sources for this information.
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The thing is... you don't die from the vaccine. It's a pretty no-risk proposition.
Anything else is stupid.
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Yes vaccines produce "natural immunity." All the Covid vaccines do. It's what they are designed to do, what medical science believes they do, and what abundant research confirms.
But of course you can, at you peril, take advice from the uninformed and ignorant anonymous lvl0 trolls in this blog. Turns out posting long msgs full of big words and numbers you don't understand just shows your ignorance of how science and research works.
Pretty sure these dim bulbs post here.because their friends, coworkers and neighbors keep telling them to STFU with their bullshit.
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Omg just wasted time reading the lvl0 posts, which I normally filter out.
This DavisM troll doesn't seem to have a single accurate fact or real research to cite.
Voting to mute...
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Some of those "studies"had data that appeared to be questionable. Some "studies" were toss out. And by the way. Who are the people that collected and expressed conclusions.? I read that thing. Or tried to understand what those guys were implying. Can anyone make heads or tails out of these "studies"..?
BTW.. what is a "study".. i can't draw conclusions from this.? If no one can understand these "studies " its useless to post.
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"Yes vaccines produce "natural immunity." All the Covid vaccines do. It's what they are designed to do, what medical science believes they do, and what abundant research confirms."
OK so humans have miraculously evolved over 100's of thousands of years and we've completely missed out on this "natural immunity" thing all that time until vaccines came along.... 🤦♂️
Jesus Christ, Nothing more to say...
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@happyguy-I literately posted the study & evidence showing jumps in deaths & cases post jab..but please continue to larp lol. It’s scary to think people like you are actually allowed to vote.
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Lol @ “you don’t die from the vaccine”
What in the actual fuk..
818,042 Adverse Events
127,641 Doctor Visits
83,412 Hospitalizations
92,017 Urgent Care
26,199 Disabled
10,179 Bell's Palsy
10,304 Myocarditis
8,408 Heart Attacks
2,631 Miscarriages
17,128 Deaths
“Safe & effective”
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Never knew BOD worshipped the gubmint.
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9,367 -- Vaccine Deaths reported (1)
747,970 -- COVID-19 deaths: (2)
Also, arguing if a vaccine is supposed to prevent total infection vs. natural immunity is disingenuous. The point of these vaccines is to prevent mass intensive care hospitalizations.
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