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Locked. No further comments permitted.Covid: Ireland's Disaster--Not Good News for Vacc
Oct 28 2021 01:15PM more by Waterdisport22
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In the Republic of Ireland, however, health officials are running out of people to blame.

This has become embarrassingly obvious in County Waterford. As reported in the Irish Times, the nation’s establishment newspaper, two of the three most COVID-infected electoral areas in Ireland are located in the county “with the highest rate of vaccination in the country.”

In Waterford, a remarkable 99.7 percent of adults are fully vaccinated.

Despite the recent surge in cases among the fully vaccinated, Ireland is just now easing the restrictions on wedding and church attendance and outdoor gatherings. Indoor service in bars and restaurants has also resumed but for only for those who are fully vaccinated or can prove they have recovered from COVID-19 in the past 6 months.

The arbitrary evolution of Irish COVID policy over the past 18 months has made it clear that public health officials and government policy makers have no idea what they are doing.

Although Waterford is running three times the rate of the nation writ large, Ireland as a whole is not faring particularly well, especially given its draconian restrictions.

In the seven days preceding October 21, Ireland reported 2,026 new cases. To put that number in perspective, wide-open Florida had 2,262 cases during that same period with a population more than four times greater than the Irish Republic’s.

As the County Waterford numbers make clear, Irish health officials and policymakers do not know what “misinformation” is. They do, however, know what power is, and they will do what they must to hang on to it, freedom be damned.
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Waterdisport22
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Oct 28 2021 01:15PM     link to this

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Oct 28 2021 02:25PM     link to this

Very misleading information.

First of all, Florida went through its Delta wave a lot earlier than Ireland, so the American Spectator, a right-wing publication, is comparing apples to oranges. Florida's peak 7 day average of new cases was 21,669 back in August. Ireland is currently ten times less at 2,042 (with a quarter of the population of Florida). (source: Google).

Having said that, I'm not sure you can make the claim that this is due to more restrictions in Ireland. Ireland has actually significantly reduced measures since May (sourceurworldindata.org).

Many factors determine the onset of a wave, including random luck. The most reliable method of measuring population-wide effects of interventions and vaccines is through studying the differences of many countries/states/counties together over a certain length of time. This helps you to see through the variability associated with a small sample.

As to the vaccinated having more deaths or hospitalizations (I forget which). That's what you would expect when much of the population is vaccinated. Thought experiment for the extreme case: if 100% of the population is vaccinated, all the deaths will come from the vaccinated. So, if you do the math, you'd realize that more deaths would come from vaccinated vs unvaccinated if, say 75% of the population (like in Ireland) is vaccinated, regardless of the high (but not 100%) effectiveness of the vaccine.
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Oct 28 2021 02:38PM     link to this

Pick and choose, Waterhead!

For the most part, Ireland had been using Janssen and AstraZeneca. After they saw the surge of Delta, they were able to broker a deal to get the Pfizer and Moderna in July. As of approximately that time, only 1,665,553 people had been fully vaccinated.

So it's not apples and apples.
Waterdisport22
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Oct 28 2021 04:11PM     link to this

@NR

Its amazing to see you twist and turn to take simple data and dismiss outright b/c it does not fit your ideology.

Simple data....simple truths. The numbers do not lie.....

And....being the spectator has even a greater reason for telling truth. B/c all of the media would go after them.

The left NEVER faces that kind of scrutiny. EVER.


Your points made then...prove we should not have gotten EVERYBODY vax'd. Its a matter of luck...geography.

Last I remember the Irish have the same makeup as any other peoples.....


Love this one the best "That's what you would expect when much of the population is vaccinated. Thought experiment for the extreme case: if 100% of the population is vaccinated, all the deaths will come from the vaccinated"

Well then the VAX DOES NOT WORK.....if people are dead and were vax'd.


Waterdisport22
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Oct 28 2021 04:12PM     link to this

Again NR nothing in the article is fabricated....taken from gov sources.....Ireland is far from a right wing gov.

And yet you can not wrap your head around the fact the vax FAILED.
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Oct 28 2021 05:29PM     link to this

It’s interesting how most of your criticism of me has very little to do with what I say about the science. Probably because you don’t know any better.

If events are happening with some randomness, that is a very big reason for everyone to get vaccinated, because you don’t always know where the next wave might be.

Just because a few people die from the vaccine doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. The vaccines are not 100% effective, so you unfortunately expect a few deaths, but they are much better than not having them on board.
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