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No, they will initiate a tax per mile driven.
Of course, we won't have enough electricity to charge all these electric vehicles...since when do most people need to charge their cars....AT NIGHT, when no solar....LOL
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They'll just start taxing the fuck out of our electricity 
State Gov and Fed Gov never lose
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And our rates are already pretty high.
At some point, our fucking politicians might need to say.....Where can we Cut Spending.....
Dang, I must be in the Twilight Zone even thinking that might happen....
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Got that right bro ).gif)
Politicians thinking about ways to cut their spending = Not in this state
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Not to mention a failing power grid. Rolling black outs and flex alerts? WTF?
For all the brain dead liberals, you’re idiots! LGBFJB and Newsom.
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CA and the Feds want you to just drink the Kool-Aid and don't ask questions on the EV's....The unspoken issue is how to secure the essential materials for the batteries and meet the expected demand 🤔
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Which will not happen easily since we are against most mining and China and other powers have access to the necessary metals for the batteries. But, hey, let's just get rid of our current sources and hope and pray that we can find replacements....
No plan, just great 'ideas'.
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Gonna need to charge your car, leaf blower, lawn mower, chain saw, hedge trimmer, weed whacker generator, stock pile of batteries, etc.
All of this is supposed to save the environment how?
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Jazz is right.
State will charge per mile driven.
Already done in EU...can not remember the country.
There was a pilot program conducted in Pac NW a number of years ago.....ya know...the type of study the gov already knows the conclusion and just needs a study to justify their stupidity.
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when there is less pollution there will be less need for administration wherefore the public budgets can be cut in half and taxes reduced.
solar can still go a long way, panels on everything.
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lapierre....solar works some places in this country. But there are enough locations with constant clouds, rain and snow and you get little output from the panels.
We do not have the storage battery capacity and don't posses the minerals to manufacture huge numbers of these batteries.
So what the fuck do you do when the sun goes down? Oh that's right, you don't do shit, since we will have no electricity when we shut down our coal and natural gas generating plants.
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will be less need for administration wherefore the public budgets can be cut in half and taxes reduced.
That is probably one of the most naive statements I have ever heard. When do our politicians in DC or Sacramento give back anything they get. They will channel that money into some other bullshit program.
Wake up.....don't believe the Kool Aid from the crazies.
We have to have a systematic plan to build up renewable energy BEFORE we start cutting back our other sources.
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build more nuke plants.
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@ Jazz we were talking california - not places the sun hardly shines.
build more renewable though.
solar / wind / nuclear
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remo...exactly.
But somehow the left has gotten an idea that nuclear is worse than fossil fuel. It is equated to bombs, radioactive disasters and nothing but bad outcomes.
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I am still talking about CA.
Northern California, Eastern Sierras, etc. do not experience the same number of annual solar hours.
No one seems to want nuclear, so there is little option to fill the void when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.
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We currently have rolling black outs during the summer when we have high demand for A/C.
When we eliminate natural gas and heating oil, we will then freeze in the winter because we didn't properly plan for renewables BEFORE we closed down fossil fuel.
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If there was a bill that increased electricity ,due to electric cars, Californians would vote yes on it for some reason then complain about how high electricity is.
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I love my plugin hybrid. I can drive full electric, even 100 mph on the freeway and have a 7 gallon gas tank as backup. I get 70 mpg essentially, so only fill up with 5 gallons once per month. The cost to charge every night is $25 per month. I bought this to replace my gas guzzler and traded gas payment for a car payment. this was back when the goverment was giving $10,000 for buying EV.
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Sounds like they are gonna try for some type of reset..like a really “Great” one.
Nomsayin
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hoppi, Would love to know what vehicle you have.
I don't believe your numbers or you flat out don't drive very far.
Most of the plug in hybrids use about 30-33 Kwh of electricity for 100 miles of travel. SCE has a electricity rate of around 30 cents for electric use 9:00 PM to 8:00 AM. There are various plans but those are the basic rates. There are reduced rates from midnight to 6:00 AM, but that would not be enough time with a Level 1 charging station to fully charge a vehicle. So you will need to be some of the time outside the lowest rate tier.
So 100 miles of electric travel will cost around $9-10. That equates to around 9 cents per mile. if it is costing you $25 per month, you are only driving about 250 miles per month. The average American drives about 1,000 miles.
Of course, it is still more efficient than gasoline. The same 100 miles will cost a consumer now that we are at $4.50 or more per gallon, around $18-20.
But our real problem is that we do not have the current capacity to generate enough electricity to charge electric vehicles. We are barely keeping afloat from blackouts now. Add more electric usage and we are underwater.
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Of course, as hoppi said, he got a huge incentive to buy electric. Absent that $10,000, you would be paying $10,000 more for the electric. If you keep the electric vehicle for 100,000, that $10,000 additional cost will add 10 cents to every mile. So you are right back to where that gas guzzler was costing.
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Political views set aside, Im in favor trying to protect the environment. But it seams that without the subsidies wind power ends up being a wash as far as costs. Nuclear might be the best option if we could actually harness the power misus the possibility of total disaster? Solar works, as long as you live in the southern states and have a house built in the last 15 years with new insulation standards. But you ain't charging your car at night.
Hydrogen seams like the best possibility for long term for autos. But I'm guessing the auto industry will run with the ev's until we realize lithium batteries are piling up and killing the environment worse than Dino.
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Hoppi - which hybrid do you have?
I have solar and produce pretty much as much as I use, 4 bedroom house in Socal - AC whenever i feel hot and the jacuzzi pretty much warmed up year round.
I had one of the first Hybrids back in the day, mostly to get the carpool lane sticker but has since not had hybrid or EV - really hope to get one of the new EV trucks coming out in the next year or two.
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Jazz, I put about 20-30 mile on my car per day. BTW my car has a 17 kw battery so I get 40 EV miles on a full charge. Trust me bro, I know how my Clarity drives and yes I don't commute to work and do a lot of driving around where I live. I don't fully charge every night and it is level I charging. Anyway, I have found this car is perfect for my situation and I'm happy to not be going to the gas station every week.
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democrats will always find a way to fuck you for more taxes. They will 100% tax you by the mile. got to keep the city and state employees paid. fucking criminals.
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On the purchase of the vehicle, the cost was $34,000 so lease based on $24,000 with $10,000 incentive. Lease payment was $325 whereas I was spending almost that much per month on the gas guzzler in gas. Just bought my lease after three years for $14,000. Payment is still only $315. But anyway, I like the car and the EV is working for me. I think it has to work for your situation. Plus I love the power of the EV, although I try not to drive it hard, because that defeats the purpose.
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The tax bill can’t be as bad as the shit show in Texas last Winter and caused Cancun Cruz to evacuate from there.
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next car will probably be a hybrid
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Several of the posters on this blog have mentioned Wind Power which is currently an absolute joke.
The Wind Turbines in the past represented a nice tax credit but were never practical.
If you look at the wind turbines out in the Beaumont area you will find that probably less than 1/3rd of them are actually working. The other 2/3rds are standing pieces of junk just like somebody that has 50 junk cars in their back yard. The reason they still stand there in there unrepaired state is that it is not worth the cost to repair them and there is not a good way to dispose of the junk. The wind turbines are so big it is difficult to cut them into pieces small enough to dispose of properly. In addition the turbine blades and other parts of the turbine are made of composite materials which don't lend themselves to recycling and do not diecompose over time.
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I love my Toyota Rav4 hybrid.. I'm getting 41 to 42 miles per gallon. Range is about 460 miles per tank..
I think the rav4 prime is another good option, 40 miles on electricity, then basically turns into a regular hybrid.
I was thinking Kia Niro, but not sure how good the Korean cars are.
I would hate to see a road usage tax, but if the government keeps pushing us of oil, and less gas is being sold then logically the money has to come from somewhere to pay for the roads.
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stumpy - those windmills are from the 80s when the industry was starting up.
there is a perfect wind tunnel there so the location was optimal for testing wind power.
wind power works well with some drawbacks:
- when it is too windy they have to shut down.
- when its very windy, windpower can send too much power onto the grid
-when its not windy (often at night) there is no power produced.
the pattern day time vs night time is the same problem as solar.
the wind blows much less at night and solar produce no energy at night.
so to be fully replaceable - a battery or other storage solution is required.
maybe you can use the excess energy to produce hydrogen and then use the hydrogen at night to produce electricity...
I am not against nuclear - it could complement wind and solar nicely.
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To further Stumpy's post on wind.....
Wind power is not profitable now, nor has it ever been.
The financing history behind wind is fascinating.
The best way to describe wind & the underlying money is it's a shell game.
Zond, Clipper, Enron & now GE have used the substantial losses from wind to avoid taxes from other profitable areas of business - particularly hydrocarbon.
It also gives them a nice facade to hide behind, and to appease all the tree huggers.
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So when the government gives tax breaks when purchasing an EV are the rest of us basically paying for a portion of every vehicle sold with a tax break?
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I will not get an EV until I can drive across the country with out worrying about where I'm gonna charge it.
Add the amount of time it takes to charge.
Until its as convenient to charge one of these as it is to fuel up, I'll pass.
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