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Honestly, there is little chance Trump is going to be convicted. It seems that more Senate Republicans are coming out against this.
So why bother to do it, even if we think Trump is guilty?
I rather the Senate spend time focusing on the 1.9 trillion dollar stimulus, critically reviewing it by bringing in experts, perhaps improving it, but taking their time doing it.
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Why not 19 trillion?
With my portion, I could buy a jet
That would be a "fair living wage"
You fuckers got ur boot on my neck
Racist bastards
Tomorrow I burn a courthouse
And after you're done, fuck ur sister sloppy seconds
I can't breath!
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Nancy’s vanity project.
Can the Dumbocrats find something more stupid and meaningless.
Probably. Their idiocy knows no bounds.
Nancy should signup for the Pushin Limits club.
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Sherkahn= communist
The house impeaches.......The Senate holds the trial.
The least you could do is get some of the facts correct.
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It’s all for show.
Anyone paying attention knows it’s just a political game. They want to do all they can to make sure Donny doesn’t rise up and kick them in the balls in the mid-terms.
I have friends left, right and center. I don’t know a single person who thinks his position on Transgender athletes makes any practical sense. Unless he plans on multiple large stimulus payments over the next 18 months.... President Biden is going to get his ass handed to him in the mid-terms.
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I did get the facts straight, dongsucker.
I made the post as soon as the House walked the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, which begins the formal procedures. Just like when you have to unzip your pants before relieving yourself, except it looks like you forget to do that now and then.
Best part?
Trump has been invited to testify.
How many think he will turn down the chance to get in front of a crowd and make a spectacle?
How many believe he will take outlandish comments?
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Its a genius idea, let Trump talk his way into a guilty verdict.
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guilty of what ?
none of these brilliant dumbfuck dems ever listen to what trump says, nor do they even understand the laws they're supposed to uphold
their politics will bury them soon enough
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Guilty of what?
Sing it with me if you know it!
♫ iNSURRECTION ♫
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Face...my point exactly! But...the last thing Trump should do is testify or open his mouth.
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So if 45 Republicans voted to dismiss this entirely.....those same 45 will vote again after the Democrats finger bang each other for 2 or 3 weeks of bullshit. We have other issues in this country....
Definition of insanity....expecting different results from the same actions.....
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Yup, thats what the democrats want. They dont give a fuck about the people or other more important issues at hand that affect Americans. All these piece of shit Democrats care about is protecting themselves from any threat to their political power.
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No way Trump would show up to this charade and testify. Hes not that stupid.
That would be the only way he could be convicted... in the style of "a few good men" with Trump playing Col. Jessup's part.
Imagine Adam Schiff of all people saying to Trump.. "I want the truth!"... and Trump saying "you've been lying to the American people for 4+ years you pencil neck geek ... you cant process or handle truth."
Even John Robert's wont be there...
I think it's just a scheme to distract from Jobama's horrific policy debacles.
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AND WILL FAIL...DICK FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Looking for clarification...arer we alowwedto saynigger..chink...spic, etc...here?
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Even Never Trumper CJ John Roberts refuses to show up and preside over this shit show.
The left still doesn't have a vaccine for TDS...
Unless killing 10,000 jobs, eliminating energy independence, raising taxes, opening the borders to a scourge of 2nd grade educated peasants, and mouthing bullshit about racial equality helps them. If it does, so be it...it will be a quick exit for them.
Keep it up and you will get Trump back in 4 years. 75 million votes this time around. Tank the country and it will be a hundred million next time. The guy is tough as nails and doesn't age. And you can bet it will be without Mike Pence. So you pick.
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Chance of success = 0
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Just get the sedition supporters on record is worth the effort. Too bad they didn't push the vice president out of his hiding place to take on the peaceful protestors. Maybe that would have given a bit more evidence for the article of impeachment.
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Today Rand Paul argued the unconstitutionality aspect and Republican Senators took a vote.
45 GOP senators signaled that the trial is unconstitutional.
Soro's is gonna need to cough up a lot of money to flip this shit show around.
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From the Constitution:
"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."
So without the Chief Justice presiding, does that make the proceeding unconstitutional?
With 45 Republicans against it (so far), it seems 2/3 is unlikely. Complete waste of time.
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^ Possibly not if all you're interested in is scoring political points
Russian collusion with media collusion produced the desired result
With the help of a viral pandemic
That Trump was clueless on how to handle
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19 minutes after Trump began his inaugural address
WAPO published the following:
"The campaign to impeach president Trump has begun"
The idiot Comey and the morons in the media got him elected
And, hated themselves for what they'd done
It's a good thing they're all patriotic Americans
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Hmmmm.... Senator Leahy is sick.
Wonder what’s up....
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"After getting test results back, and after a thorough examination, Senator Leahy now is home. He looks forward to getting back to work.“
Nice attempt at what you do best, Gloom guy.
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Nancy’s big ego trip fails again.
Are those morons incapable of learning anything?
I will answer that. NO!!!
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The Dems/media was always blaming Trump for just about everything.
And they still want to blame him after he's gone.
If you honestly look at the way he was treated as POTUS, the Dems were
always looking for ways to set him up to look bad. Looking for a crime
to charge him.
Those of you who didn't like Trump, how would it feel if those around
you were always looking for a crime to charge you?
Did you fudge on your tax return?
Did you mistreat your wife and children?
Did you cheat on your wife or girlfriend?
Did you take some supplies from your workplace?
Did you jaywalk?
Did drive over the speed limit?
Did you smoke in a non smoking area?
Did you you litter?
Did you skip putting money in the parking meter?
Did you abuse an animal?
Do you use profanity?
But to the Dems he's not allowed to make any mistakes.
If the POTUS can be impeached, why not plenty of Dems
who have made plenty of despicable statements in the past.
And now HX may be one of the few places that you can express
your opinion without repercussions.
How many of you Biden supporters want HX gone because there
are those, here who like Trump?
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heh...listen to the people who wanted to investigate Hillary an 8th time for emails whining that they over investigate Trump. Going after Trump's taxes? Funny, everything that has come out regarding his taxes shows that he has committed felonies on his taxes. Otherwise if he is innocent...why is he so desperate to hide them and has lied for 5+ years now on showing them? Rubio, Cruz, the 2024 hopefuls are praying every night that NY will convict Trump so they can ascend and not take the blame. Dont worry, Trump wont get convicted. There will probably be about 3 or 4 Senators who side with the democrats but that is it. Trump will pound his chest on parlor but the trial that takes Trump down will be the one that occurs in NY.
Trump is a sinking ship. He lost the House. He lost the Senate. He lost the Executive. He killed more Americans than WW2 with his botched response to Covid...from lying about it being a problem and having it contained, to lying about it being a threat, to lying about protection, to lying about vaccines. #winning
Now there is evidence him and his staff helped to organize and fund the insurrection. If that isn't impeachable then what is? Is that the new normal. We allow candidates to enlist foreign governments to help them win? When in office we allow them to avoid all punishment because they are a sitting President....and when they try to remain in power despite losing "in a landslide" we say its ok they tried to overturn the vote using the power of the federal government...they are out now. Hillary used a private email server and you guys want her in jail because....classified information may have been able to be hacked. Trump is openly showing classified information to anyone walking by his table at Mar-A-Largo, giving away high level secrets to Russian agents to impress them, and....got caught using a private server....along with his daughter, his high level advisor, his son in law, his high level advisor, Bannon, his chief strategist, and several others.
At least we wont have to hear from ALternative facts Conway anymore spinning lies a mile a minute. Apparently people dont like it when you show pictures of your half naked underage daughter on social media as punishment.
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if you had a 70 or 100m tax issue with the IRS to be determined...would you put your taxes out there for a minimum of 250 tax atty's to be sending in to the IRS arguments against trump...free of charge?
don't fucking lie...you would not
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now that he's no pres anymore....they won't be made public ever
maybe next run for pres in 2024....he will gladly send 7 or 8 years worth
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Actually, if Trump or his organization was committing crimes while he was in office, his tax info is fair game for public disclosure.
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for all you morally depraved americans out there
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A couple more things on these issues:
1. The Senate's trial of Trump, who is now a private citizen, amounts to a Bill of Attainder, which is unconstitutional. A Bill of Attainder is "...any legislature trial of a specific individual that could result in punishment (including future disqualification from running for federal office)." See U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3. As such, even a conviction would be struck down by any Federal Court in the land!
2. As to Trump committing felonies on his taxes? Trump hires a 20 mule team of professionals to do his taxes. He is NOT a tax professional and acts on the advice of those individual preparers, who affix their signatures to his return as well. No individual would EVER be convicted of tax crimes when acting on the advice of a CPA or an Enrolled Agent. After review, any monies owed would have to be paid along with any penalties and administrative costs. The taxpayer would then have a legal cause of action against the tax preparer via his or her errors and omissions insurance. No one's going to jail over an incorrect tax return. Get a grip, TDSers.
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"Now there is evidence him and his staff helped to organize and fund the insurrection. If that isn't impeachable then what is? Is that the new normal. "
Links to your alleged evidence please..
"We allow candidates to enlist foreign governments to help them win? When in office we allow them to avoid all punishment because they are a sitting President...."
You just described the Obama/Biden/Clinton M.O.
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If Republicans are so certain that impeachment and the trial are unconstitutional, why don't they sue and go to the Supreme Court to affirm their position? They sued like hell when they thought the elections were unconstitutional.
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It is unconstitutional but it probably makes more political sense to lets Democrats waste time again while not dealing with the issues they were complaining about when Trump and Republican Senate had power.
The true test of precedent is Richard Nixon. The House had already completed their investigation. They were about to vote. It was clear that he was going to be impeached in the House and ultimately convicted in the Senate. He resigned.
Article II Section 4 states clearly "the president" and "removal"
Nixon was no longer president and removal was no longer possible.
Same with Trump.
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The process to keep a person from running for Presidential office is fairly common... probably hundreds of people lose the ability to run for office everyday its call conviction of a federal crime in a court of law.
Pretty simple and obvious. But as a congressman you can't be featured on the nightly news if you go that route.
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@Smart Guy Night Rider:
You said, "If Republicans are so certain that impeachment and the trial are unconstitutional, why don't they sue and go to the Supreme Court to affirm their position? They sued like hell when they thought the elections were unconstitutional."
If Trump or Republicans brought a case now, it would be refused by the Court as not being "ripe." The Court will not issue "advisory decisions either."
What is ripeness? "In United States law, ripeness refers to the readiness of a case for litigation; "a claim is not ripe for adjudication if it rests upon contingent future events that may not occur as anticipated, or indeed may not occur at all."
Here, the contingent future event would be that Trump be banned from seeking public office, and then he later seeks office and is denied. Then the case is ripe, and can be pursued.
You can't just make it up as you go along, Night Rider...but you and Senate Democrats seem to think they can, in spite of the rules...shit birds putting on an epic shit show. Can't wait for this train wreck!
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The trial is clearly constitutional. The proof is using logic: The route to prevent someone from holding a federal office in the future is only through impeachment and a guilty verdict. If impeachment and trial could only happen while a person is in office, a person could simply resign and then Congress would be unable to prevent this person from holding public office in the future. This is clearly a major loophole; so clearly, to make sure this loophole is closed, a person must be able to be impeached and tried even after they leave office.
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@yellowB2: So let's say the trial occurs, and Trump is found guilty. Then can Trump go to the Supreme Court and argue the trial was unconstitutional and shouldn't have happened?
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It is not constitutional, repeat NOT.
The purpose of impeachment and the trial is ONLY removal form office.
Barring from running again is not part of the equation. It is a separate action that can be considered after a lawfully successful impeachment.
Here is a hypothetical question Night Rider.
Let's for argument say, legitimate tapes were discovered showing that Obama told the military to stand down in Benghazi. Could he then be impeached?
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Obama certainly can be impeached again, and it's constitutional, in my opinion, for the logic I gave.
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*not again
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The Republicans are spineless. Hiding behind some claim re unconstitutional rather than have to vote so the American people know how they really stand re Trump and the insurrection. Afraid also of alienating Trump voters in future elections. If they believe it unconstitutional there is the Supreme and other federal courts to take the matter to.
Impeachment is a legislative activity not a judicial one
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Your logic makes no sense.
The Constitution text is clear. The key that it is unconstitutional is the fact that John Roberts refused to preside which the Constitution states the Chief Justice presides over Presidential impeachments.
Therefore you should be screaming that Roberts is in direct dereliction of his office.
At the end of the day, we both know the outcome, trial or no trial. Trump will not be convicted nor barred from future office
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"Your logic makes no sense."
Why is that. Because it doesn't support your position?
"The Constitution text is clear. The key that it is unconstitutional is the fact that John Roberts refused to preside which the Constitution states the Chief Justice presides over Presidential impeachments."
That doesn't prove it's unconstitutional. We don't know why John Roberts refused to preside.
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"The purpose of impeachment and the trial is ONLY removal form office.
Barring from running again is not part of the equation. It is a separate action that can be considered after a lawfully successful impeachment."
That is an arbitrary opinion.
Clearly, you need to impeach and convict in order to prevent someone from holding federal office, so they have to be part of the equation.
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Trump would be like 78 years old on the next go around.
What kind of a moron would vote for a Presidential candidate that would leave office in their 80's if elected?
Oops don't answer that
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NR...
The more likely outcome is Trump is NOT convicted because ~45 GOP Senators vote to aquit.. or just walk out... and Pelosi needs to go to SCOTUS who will tell her the whole charade is unconstitutional.
There's a reason Robert's wants nothing to do with this.
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