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Antagonize the Jury? Considering many of the "Jury" just had a private meeting with them to strategize, and other members have referred to them as "our side"...something tells me a good portion of the jury are not upholding their oath. Like last time. After this they will call it the "stop the steal" hoax. It never happened. Fake news.
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that was funny...a "reportedly" montage of all the DEMS using it, presenting their case
"reportedly" means what again?
we don't have shit
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just a few minutes in and the DEMS look like the fucking idiots they are
you idiots on board with that...can't believe you have made it this far in life
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i think the PUBS have 16 hrs to point out all the bullshit...hope they take it all and get it on the major networks
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the manufactured screen grab that raskin had the NYT take in a photo OP was priceless
they can't even do that right
BUT that has been the LIB bullshit for 5 years...making shit up to further the cause...99.9 percent of media is complicit or even part of the manufacturing process.
take the whole 16hrs...not many times all the channels are tuned in
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Your opinions are just that: opinions.
Here are some facts:
PBS NewsHour’s White House correspondent Yamiche Alcindor caught on camera senators reacting to the lengthy “fight” footage Trump’s legal team played for them.
Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) “in particular was laughing and shaking his head,” Alcindor noted. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y) “looked particularly troubled but also laughed and shook his head at times.” As for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Alcindor said he “sat stone-faced, legs crossed as the video was played. No laughing, no whispering, no looking around.”
That’s right.
The GOP senators are fucking embarrassed and the Dems are laughing at defense lawyers.
Please keep it coming. Your turning a not likely into a for-sure.
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This wasnt a defense. They didnt address the charges. But we already know the outcome.
The real result of this trial and whether or not it was warranted and if he should be convicted will be what happens over the next 2-4 years. Will the GOP split? Will the GOP continue to lose registered voters? Will campaign contributions dry up? Will they gain or lose seats in the midterms?
Georgia has opened up an investigation of what Trump did there. That will be tried in a court of law and not in front of a bunch of maga Senators. It is what Trump's lawyer wanted so there is that. We will also see what happens there...and see how fast Republicans run away from Trump should it not go his way.
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Antagonize the Jury? Considering many of the "Jury" just had a private meeting with them to strategize, and other members have referred to them as "our side"...something tells me a good portion of the jury are not upholding their oath. Like last time. After this they will call it the "stop the steal" hoax. It never happened. Fake news.
Of course the total irony of this whole thing.....the 'presiding officer' is NOT the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, but a person who openly and blatantly said Trump should be indicted....
Where other than some banana republic would a judge be someone who had his mind made up before the trial....
What a fucking shit show.....and He will also be a member of the 'jury' as he will vote at the end....
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An even bigger shit show...
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wow...citing this scum bag...i love it
Yamiche Alcindor
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CONVICT TRUMP!!!!
LOCK HIM UP!!!!
LOCK HIM UP!!!!
LOCK HIM UP!!!!
LOCK HIM UP!!!!
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based on these montages today...they should still be laughing
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To defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and "DOMESTIC!!!"
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wow...there seemed to be more objecting of the electoral votes in 2017 than in 2021
biden himself had to shut their stupid asses up
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@Jazz
So a couple things.
1) Can you link to reliable/verifiable source the quote of him saying what you quote. I was trying to get the context and did a search but didnt see anything in the dozen articles I looked at. Not saying you are lying...just trying to find a source.
2) Now I will go on the assumption he did say it. Saying someone should be indicted is not the same as saying they should be convicted. I am not sure why this bothers you so much. He said he should be tried. He didn't say....like Republicans are basically saying....I believe what I believe and no evidence or nothing anyone says can change that opinion. You being really upset that he said he should be indicted...not convicted is a bit of hyperbole. He can hold that opinon and still be fair. That is a HUGE difference from having meetings with "your side" and strategizing how to present the case to best get the outcome you have already decided on.
3) Chief Justice Roberts declined to preside. VP Harris was up next. Would you rather it have been her? His opponent and a woman at that? (Something tells me you guys would be more upset about that.) However, she declined as well. Leahy as President Pro Tempore is next. Historically the President Pro Tempore has presided over impeachments of people no longer holding office. Trump is no longer President. It isn't a twisted deep state Dem thing here. The Supreme Court Chief Justice, nominated by a Republican...declined to do it! Blame him if you didn't want Leahy.
4) Now that it's mostly over...maybe you can point to something he did in the course of this trial as a judge that was blatantly biased or unfair? This is your big counter argument,..how did it pan out?
5) Do you think adding 1.000 emojis somehow helps your argument? To me it looks like you are desperately trying to overcompensate for something.
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Wow gotta love that answer by Trump's defense
Did Trump know Pence was being moved when he tweeted disparaging remarks about him.
House managers: Every news station showed the violence. Everyone in DC knew what was going on. THen they mentioned Tuberville said he told Trump that Pence was being moved he had to go.
Trump defense: The President didn't know. (No one tells him nothing.) What he did know....was that there was a violent...violent riot happening at the capital.
So he DID know. That was why he kept egging on the "violent riot"? That was why he did nothing for hours. That was why he kept praising them and calling them patriots. That was why he didnt send in the national guard. Because he DID know and he did what he thought was best.
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He didn't speak those exact words...but read his own press release.
I am taking the same license as YOU are attributing to Trump. If fight like hell means to storm the Capitol and kill people,
In Leahy's press release
"Leader McConnell must agree to hold this trial without delay. For the good of the country, he must lead his party in voting to convict President Trump and to prevent him from holding future office. Both parties must send a unified message across the ages: no authoritarians are welcome in the halls of the world's greatest democracy."
I guess if you are telling someone else to vote to convict, it would be hard pressed to believe that person is unbiased. Seem pretty evident and blatant to me.
In the other article, he stated.
"I think we should move fairly quickly. We can move on a two-track level. We can do impeachment plus the things that certainly my committee, the appropriations committee, are going to have to do on COVID and other areas"
Thinking it should be quick, doesn't sound like someone wanting to hear days of evidence. But hey, that is just me.
And it is a total fact he will be voting....
He also voted to move ahead with the impeachment, and should have recused himself knowing he was to preside. That sends a clear message of lack of impartiality.
The third link
" We still have a long way to go. I have long believed that President Trump is a threat to our constitutional republic. And he will remain so until Joe Biden is sworn in as President on January 20. President Trump should immediately resign or be removed from office."
Guess already saying he should be removed from office would sound like he should be impeached and convicted. This was on January 7th. Sounds very impartial and unbiased to me....
The Constitution calls for the Chief Justice to preside over Presidential impeachments, to keep it from being a total political shit show. But alas, that isn't happening here.
This whole thing is laughable....so yes, it deserves even MORE fucking laughing emojis.
Have I given you enough yet....I can link a few more if you don't believe this is enough to show his mind was made up from the get go.
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The entire Democratic House and Senate had their minds made up. The house never saw any evidence, and didn't even wait to find out more information about the riot. They all voted...
And the Senators will be voting in an entire block....won't even have a single Democrat vote otherwise. At least Republicans do vote their own conscience....the Dems vote in a lock step group.
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@jazz
ok thanks for clearing up what you meant when attributing those words to him.
As far as rushing things...You guys loved it when in Impeachment1 the Senate rushed it through. Bolton who had first hand knowledge was ready to testify. New evidence had been found. But no....no time. Now this time....how dare you rush it! But this is a different impeachment with different circumstances. Every person voting in the House was a witness to what happened. This wasnt something that happened behind closed doors in the oval office with witnesses refusing to talk. This was out there for everyone to see. An attack on our seat of Government. Trump is a danger so long as he has 25% of this country that believes him no matter what he says. If there is some piece of evidence that was glossed over by the House that Trump would like to present...he could have in the Senate where it was not rushed.
You started by saying he should be removed as presiding over this because of his bias....then you switched to he should not vote because of his position presiding over it? Nice pivot. Did former President Pro Tems recuse themselves? Should he be disqualified to vote because he has a reasonable amount of bias? All 100 Senators in that Senate has bias I think you would agree. However, your side has Senators going into this saying no matter what evidence they show you cant change my mind. Is that a reasonable amount of bias? No matter what evidence??? Your guys are having strategy meetings with the Presidents lawyers. Is that a reasonable amount of bias? Strategy meetings. Feeding questions so they know what to expect in the Q&A today. Is Leahy...or any of the Dem Senators doing something to this level? You didnt mention any. Also like I said....I look forward to you presenting any evidence of Leahy acting inappropriately presiding over this trial.
All of this is pointless though as the result is predetermined. Pretty sure we will never agree over the logical outcome and arguing the nuances is just an excuse to hurl insults at each other. We can argue all day who is right and who is wrong. At the end of the day there will be Republicans you can count on one hand that vote for impeachment. Any more than that and I would consider it a loss for the GOP. Like I said in a different post...the real result of this trial wont be how 100 biased Senators vote. It will be what happens to the GOP after this. Early signs do not look good. All the "RINO's" are leaving the party and forming their own center right party.
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A senator does NOT preside over the Presidential impeachment.....that is for the Chief Justice.
My point is that a presidential impeachment has tons of bias on both sides...but the presiding officer should show at least a modicum of impartiality including NOT voting in the proceedings, NOT voting on whether the impeachment was constitutional, and certainly NOT previously saying the person should be removed from his office and imploring the opposition party leader to convict.
It is a kangaroo court if the judge is also the jury...and the judge is predisposed to a guilty verdict. We are a nation of innocent until proven guilty....that isn't happening here.
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@Crane
The simplest of google searches disproves your nonsense. I'm not even sure why you keep believing this nonsense. In the future...before you run to this forum to post some new allegation you just watched....take a few minutes and do some research.
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I think we need an inquiry into why the DC police, Nancy Pelosi and others did not understand the nature of the exposure. If I was a conspiracy theory person, I might be saying they opted to 'stand down' to allow the violence and entry into the Capitol.
It is now well documented that this was well-planned, NOT an impromptu incident....and the intel was known by law enforcement...but NO action to protect.....very questionable.
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@Jazz
Maybe you missed my previous response where I addressed this? Chief Justice resides over the impeachment of "sitting" Presidents. Trump is no longer in office. It no longer requires Roberts to preside. Roberts still could have. He decided not to. It was his decision to decline. Where is the disdain for Roberts declining? I mean how dare he? Doesnt he know the law? Why keep bringing this up? It's historical Precedent. If the GOP had held the Senate under the same circumstances, Grassley would be running it.
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"Capitol Police are responsible for security on the grounds of the Capitol and protecting Congress, along with the House and Senate sergeants-at-arms.
“No one person oversees USCP -- the oversight apparatus includes representation from the Architect of the Capitol, the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms, as well as committees from both Houses of Congress,” Bee Barnett, director of communications and programs for the U.S. Capitol Historical Society, said in an email.
While the Capitol Police budget is approved by both chambers of Congress, Pelosi does not control day-to-day operations or officer assignments."
This gives a better accounting with.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri
But again....just desperation from magas, trying to deflect all they can from the impeachment desperately trying to blame anyone but Trump.
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Where is the disdain for Roberts declining?
He, unlike most of the Democratic Party, actually reads, comprehends and understands the Constitution. He fully understood that this impeachment is a farce and unconstitutional.
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"Capitol Police are responsible for security on the grounds of the Capitol and protecting Congress, along with the House and Senate sergeants-at-arms.
Well they sure all should be fired for the incompetence of how they handled the process.
They were forewarned, FBI had intelligence and obviously the Capitol Police just shit their pants. Otherwise, they would have understood the threat and taken better precautions and have more force in place.
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Inciting insurrection is a very high bar to prove...anyone who actually is willing to look at the 'evidence' can clearly see that bar was not reached. No link, proof, no real inciting language....other than 'fight like hell' but not directed at the crowd, he was talking about the Republicans in office.
He actually said march peacefully and patriotically.....damn, that is certainly a far reach to inciting insurrection....I will now insert some of the laughing emojis for the absurdity of peacefully being equated to inciting insurrection...
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It is my understanding the rally had a permit only for a certain location. They were forbidden to go to the Capitol building. It was Trump who gave them the word to rush the Capitol from their initial location What did he expect would happen lol ?
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It is my understanding the rally had a permit only for a certain location. They were forbidden to go to the Capitol building. It was Trump who gave them the word to rush the Capitol from their initial location
The FBI had intel that there was to be issues at the Capitol building and the Capitol Police basically ignored the 'warnings'. Interestingly, the head of the Capitol police resigned...duh!!!!
They were ill prepared....and that allowed the violence to occur. Just like the police all summer long told to stand down and we saw months of violence in Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, etc. A strong presence is almost always an effective deterrent.
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Actually it was Trump's team that had them update the petition to protest and include the march on the capital.
Even if you believe Trump didnt incite it...which is a pretty big leap....you have to realize he supported it and tweet encouraging words. He did nothing to stop the attack. He did nothing to stop the violent riot. You have no problem with that?
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Most Republicans are okay with a lying president who caused a shitload of chaos because it was towards the end of his presidential term. The Republicans didn't want to hold Trump accountable while in office and now claim since he's no longer in office he can't be held accountable. What a bunch of horseshit. It's not surprising coming from Republicans, the party of lies, corruption, crime and conspiracy theories. Oh, and that nut-job pedophile from Alabama that Trump also supported.
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Trump is a clown who had no business being in office. The prick acted like a male Karen during his entire presidency, he was always the victim.
The motherfucker was ripping on Pence via tweet as those dumbass lunatics were trying to get to Pence.
One officer lost an eye, another lost fingers, one had a heart attack, one was stabbed, two committed suicide, another officer died and hundreds of other officers had injuries.
Trump is responsible 100%. Months in advance he was calling on his supporters to attend the event and used language to incite.
Fuck that motherfucker. We don't want to live under a dictatorship.
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^ yet you now do, dummy
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"And the Senators will be voting in an entire block....won't even have a single Democrat vote otherwise. At least Republicans do vote their own conscience....the Dems vote in a lock step group."
What biased nonsense!
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If the Dems voting in a block were true we would have $15 federal minimum wage. If the Republicans didnt vote in a block...we would have $15 federal minimum wage.
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I believe House members presented enough evidence to prove that Trump "incited" the mob to attack the Capitol if you watched the past impeachment trial.
The next question is that why Trump did nothing to sustain the situation knowing that Vice President Pence was in danger.
According to Washington Post article "Herrera Beutler says McCarthy told her Trump sided with the Capitol mob as the assault unfolded"
She said Mr. McCarthy asked him "to publicly and forcefully call off the riot. "Mr. Trump replied by saying that antifa, not his supporters, was responsible. When Mr. McCarthy said that was not true, the former president was curt. "Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," he said, according Ms. Herrera Beutler's account of what Mr. McCarthy told her.
Hours after the assault began, Mr. Trump tweeted a video in which he asked those ransacking the Capitol to leave. "Go home. We love you. You are very special," he said"
That means Trump not only incited the violence, he heartily endorsed it.
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Current Republican Party is a rotten apple, someone has to crash on it so that worms get exposed to sunlight (Graham, Cruse, Hawley, Paul etc... and bulk of the House members).
I am glad to hear that Nikki Haley who had been so loyal to Trump finally broke up with him, and said "when I tell you I'm angry, it's an understatement", "I am so disappointed in the fact that [despite] the loyalty and friendship he (Trump) had with Mike Pence, that he would do that to him. ..I'm disgusted by it"..."and it wasn't just his words at his Jan 6 rally"...."his actions since Election Day will be judged harshly by history"
You don't have to listen to what lawyers says, just use your common sense, what we witnessed was clearly caused by Trump, who lost all the legal means to his false claims that the election was rigged that he had to resort to physical violence to cling to his power.
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And you would be wrong Rahcrener.
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Always short answer but no substance from you; because you have nothing to prove your narrow point of view.
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Hi,
Im here for the advanced corporate whoring seminar
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GOP; "law and order", that is a pure joke
Always laughable tactics by right wing GOP members and supporters to blame everything to the left, comparing this violent insurrection to topple the US government to BLM movement, which mostly consists of student activists, younger generation of people with mixed race who are sick and tired of lies, disinformation and fundamental racism in this country, and those insurrectionists who are made of bigots, racists, segregationists made up with mostly just one race, and middle aged ex-military, ex-police officer or FBI etc...You should blame right wingers for the cause of violent conflicts against BLM, or civil activists.
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You emo goobers should really find something else to do.
This isn’t about right or wrong.
It’s all politics. The way the Dems are using impeachment is a joke and it cheapens it as a tool in the future.
In the past, Impeachment was rare. Going forward it will be part of the party in power’s regular tool bag.
Trump is a selfish asshole. He lost. He is embarrassing... even to many of us that lean right...
With that said, There is no case. It’s all a partisan joke.
It’s funny the big deal that is being made about Graham and the gang meeting with Trump’s defense team and how inappropriate it is because they are “jurors.”
Do you think dozens of dem congressional reps didn’t meet with the House Prosecutors before the house impeachment vote? Do you think Dem Senators, including Schumer have not met with prosecutors?
Silly people. You continue to be manipulated by a media that’s biggest concern is feeding itself.
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Hey Rahcrener.... you big dummy.... young people are ALWAYS on the side of impractical idealism.
Then they start understanding what it takes to be an adult... and then they start paying taxes and they go.... “Oh Shit!”
It’s like the people from California Leaving to go to Nevada, Texas and Arizona because of real estate prices, poor business environment, overall state mismanagement and high taxes....
Then they move to Red states that have the economy and state management that produced a place they want to live.... and then vote in leadership like they ran from in California.
Stupid.
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And it looks like the Senate just voted to allow witnesses.
Depos, Cross, this oughta be good.
- DC Chief of Police
- FBI's Wray
- Pelosi
- Mark Meadows
- Tubberville
- Doctors that treated Sicnick (sp?)
- backgrounds of those arrested
this could run all the way to 2022.
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Awesome! The biggest problem w Trump and his Senate backers are how easily it is to dismiss lies. You would think they learned something from Trump’s 4 years of blatant lies but I guess not.
For example, some Republicans dismiss Tuberville’s (a fellow Republican)’s account that’s he called Trump during the Capital attack that Pence was in trouble/danger and to send help but Trump did nothing. (I’m sure releasing his call log would help.) I want to see those Trump lapdogs put up their feet on the table, kicking back, and ignoring the proceeding as this Tuberville testifies.
Will it change the Impeachment outcome? Maybe it maybe not, but the public will know the truth, which will hurt these Trump senators’ credibility.
The ultimate “mic drop” will be if they can convince Pence to testify! The American public needs to know what Trump was doing while the Pres was being implored to activate the National Guards when Senators were in hiding and Pence was being whisked away to safety.
I’d luv to see Trump’s call-log or that of his chief of staff or aide who fields his calls to see who, when, how many, and at what times were Trump being called by Senators asking for rescue, and being ignored.
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Yes, let's keep this shit show going for a few more weeks. As the Trump lawyers said....there are far more critical issues in our country than partisan political hatred of one person. He is NO longer our President. The current dude needs to step up and tell his party to shut the fuck up and do something constructive....but oh, that's right, he has no voice...other than the person who is handling his teleprompter....
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Let's find out why the Capitol police refused help leading up to the riot. They knew of the intel and did nothing to fortify their numbers.
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