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Locked. No further comments permitted.Trump's Vaccine
Mar 28 2021 04:01PM more by jazz51
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I keep reading and hearing how Joe Biden is solving the Covid-19 problem single-handedly. The cupboard was bare and there was nothing in place.

People like dtresden make ludicrous remarks like

"If you think the logistics for distributing covid vaccines was put in place by Trump then you are part of the problem. Trump's distribution record would have taken 10+ years to get everyone vaccinated"

I will dismiss that as 'head up the ass' stupidity, since 1.5 million Americans were getting doses daily when Trump left office, so even if the rate did not increase, 547 million doses would be administered in the next year....so guess 10+ years is a total 'pull it out of your ass' number.

And our own President spouts off how there was NOTHING in place when he got there, even stating the vaccine didn't even exist (Joe forget he got the vaccine in December....LOL)

Let's actually look at the facts. Show me where I am wrong.

Trump put into place as part of Warp Speed agreements to purchase 800 million doses of vaccine from 6 separate drug companies, not knowing which would get approved vaccines. I guess he could have committed billions and billions of dollars and locked down agreement with each drug company for 600 million doses each, but I am certain he would have be criticized for buying more than he needed....LOL. But that is still substantially more than enough doses for the entire country in locked down agreements.

Pfizer-BioNTech: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Moderna: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Johnson & Johnson: 100 million doses (one-dose regimen)
AstraZeneca: 300 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Novavax: 100 million doses (two-dose regimen)
Sanofi-GlaxoSmithKline: 100 million doses (one- or two-dose regimen)

If you do the calculations, these agreements would allow doses for 450-500 million people, or nearly double the adult population in the country. I might say that is a decent 'hedge' to help assure the vaccination of the country.

As time moved on and Pfizer and Moderna had the initial approvals, he purchased an additional 100 million doses from Pfizer with option to purchase an additional 400 million doses. So again, that would allow doses for 250 million people, coupled with the Moderna that gave 300 million coverage. He was still waiting for the other drugs to get approved, and of course, the Johnson and Johnson came through and that covered for 100 million people.

So, in total, Trump had in place agreements for 900 million doses of vaccine and option for 400 million more. Not sure how that is not having enough vaccine.

Yep, Joe the cupboard was fucking BARE, and when people make stupid comments like " He didn't even order enough vaccines", obviously are merely listening to the bozos at CNN.

Now about the logistics to get the shots in place.

Remember, the approval and first doses were given December 14. During December (including the holidays and bad weather), 5.5 million doses were administered, averaging 321,000 doses per day. The first 10 days of January, 5.7 million doses were administered or 569,000 per day average. In the next 10 days of January (until Joe's inauguration), there were 9.3 million doses administered or 930,000 per day. There were 1.5 million doses administered on Jan 20.

Joe came in touting 100 million doses in his first 100 days....no one told sleepy Joe that that would be worse than what was already happening...LOL.

In the span of the very first 30+ days of the vaccinations, there were 20 million doses administered, with a rate of over 1.5 million daily at the end but rising rapidly as more centers opened up in the states.

Criticize Trump for lots of other stuff, but Operation Warp Speed being discounted by Biden just shows that Joe knows nothing of what is actually happening in this country.
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https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/12/23/trump-administration-purchases-additional-100-million-doses-covid-19-investigational-vaccine-pfizer.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state
      
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Mar 28 2021 04:38PM     link to this

I got my first dose of Pfizer today.

So glad operation warp-speed created this acceleration to vaccination for the masses.

Joe trying to take full credit for vaccines while tearing
the energy sector apart and ignoring the border.



Alter Ego blog go back to IG
jazz51
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Mar 28 2021 04:45PM     link to this

Yes, all the pundits said it would be years before getting a vaccine......

Republicans believe innovation and good come from the private sector to create and build.

Democrats believe everything that is accomplished comes from government.

Give me an island with the Fortune 500 corporations and I will give you an island with all government employees.....let's see who survives.....
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Mar 28 2021 04:51PM     link to this

Yep, the hypocrisy just drips off many on the left.....
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Mar 28 2021 05:17PM     link to this

Truth is not a virtue of the left.
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Mar 28 2021 05:52PM     link to this

The reason Trump may be remembered in terms of the vaccines is the fact he pushed for the mRNA vaccines when his science advisors pushed for more traditional methods. The numbers for the mRNA vaccines are outstanding, particularly for the amount they reduce infections, which has been estimated to be from 80% to a ridiculously high 94%. Why is this important? Getting out of the pandemic with the fewest deaths possible depends highly on the ability to prevent infection. Studies have shown that the numbers that could still die are very sensitive to the percent reduction of infection. A difference from 60% to 85% could mean the difference in hundreds of thousand of lives. If the mRNA vaccines turn out to be ten, twenty, or thirty percent better at reducing transmission than the other vaccines, particularly those from China which depend on traditional methods, Trump’s decision may have saved the US hundreds of thousands of lives.

Of course how well we exit the pandemic also depends on population immunity, so unless you got COVID recently and know you have antibodies for it, go out and get the vaccine!!!
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Mar 28 2021 05:54PM     link to this

If it is Trumps vaccine why are so many of Trumps supporters refusing the shot?
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Mar 28 2021 06:51PM     link to this

^I am very concerned about this but all I can do is hope people will start seeing the vaccine as the way out of this pandemic and back to normal life.
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Mar 28 2021 07:11PM     link to this

Granite - the overwhelming majority of people who refuse the COVID vaccine are Trump republicans. That is a fact. Not an alternative fact, an actual fact.
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Mar 28 2021 07:18PM     link to this

The rolling 7-day average of over 1 million shots per day did not occur until after Trump left office. In fact the only day when 1.5 million doses was reached was January 20. The 7 day rolling average of 1.5 million doses per day wasn’t reached until late February.
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Mar 28 2021 07:26PM     link to this

"I will give you an island with all government employees.....let's see who survives..."
Sure, you are on. I've got dibs on the 1st Marine Logistics group.
We'll fly in some civilian contractors to get a proper base of operations.

Hey if you're starving business execs need some food we'll send some over.
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Mar 28 2021 08:13PM     link to this

We can give both men some credit. Trump for warp speed and Biden for accelerating the network and distribution of the vaccines.
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Mar 28 2021 08:38PM     link to this

Let me get this straight.....

1) You want to ignore all the failures of the Trump administration on Covid19...most of them intentional...that resulted in the most infections and deaths in the world....to focus on part of one thing he did do that I gave him partial credit for....in order to own me?
2) You want to attack Biden for attacking Trump for screwing something up when Trump didn't?
You know Trump blamed Obama for the outbreak of Covid right? Is that having a problem with the truth? Did you post a blog attacking this? You know he also blamed Obama for not leaving him enough PPE in his 4th year in office....and after he shipped almost 18 tons of PPE and respirators to China after being told we didn't have enough? Did you post a blog on how Trump has a problem with the truth when he blamed Obama for that?

Trump, despite knowing this would be bad, lied to us and purposefully made it worse. Almost all of his decisions helped the virus spread in this country. He gave out bad advice for safety, blamed everyone for his failures. But that doesnt help Trump or your position does it. So lets talk about operation warp speed and how much of a great success it was and how we should all be praising Trump for saving us from the virus.

So operation warp speed apparently has been warped into being responsible for speeding up creation, testing, FDA approval, production, and distribution of the vaccines. Also acquisition of the vaccine. Do I have that right? I wouldnt want to misunderstand before your positions change.

Creation. They had been working on vaccines all year. They were in phase 2/3 testing when this was negotiated. You need to complete phase 3 before being approved. So essentially, it didnt help here at all. **In fact, international health organizations have long used such market guarantees (like this) to keep going and encourage for-profit manufacturers to supply vaccines to the developing world. (NY Times)

Testing. Well they were already in phase 2/3 testing. For example Pfizer CEO said it didnt take the money but later a company spokesperson said they used it to help with phase 3 testing....that they were already in. So again....didn't help much here either.

Emergency FDA approval. This isnt a new thing. We did emergency approval for ebola testing in 2014. THey were considering approving some vaccines before phase 3 testing but I dont think they did that or else we would have those AstraZeneca vaccines.

Production. It could be used to help pay for production...but the boast was that it got it to us sooner. You know...operation warp speed...not operation factory line. However, in regards to prodcution, Trump left them to their own devices really for this. Just threw money at the problem. (Thought conservatives didnt like that? Oh well if Trump did it...anyways I digress) Alex Azar gave an interview where he believed we would have enough vaccines by June...but didn't know. Why didn't he know? Because they were not getting involved...just throwing money at it.

Distribution. States had to develop sites that would be approved by the feds. They would then submit for vaccines and they would be delivered once reviewed and approved. Trump's admin p[redicted to have 20 million doses completed in several weeks. They had 11.4 million, with 2million in arms after several weeks. They moved the goalposts to the end of the year for 20 million doses. WHen it was clear that would fail they moved them again. Trump didnt provide enough money or infrastructure for vaccine distribution. The Trump administration was actually lobbying Congress against giving more funds for vaccine distribution.

Acquisition - The deal for Warp speed did indeed include 800 million doses. The biggest contract was with AstraZeneca for 300 million doses. The deal was done in July. AstraZeneca stopped it's phase 3 testing in the U.S. So it was never approved in the U.S. Did Trump do anything to remedy this? You like to look at the July dead as success but then ignore what happened afterwords. We are in March...and of those 800 million doses Trump "acquired", only 300 million will be able to be delivered. Did Trump look at the changing landscape and make an executive decision? Did he tell AstraZeneca "You're Fired!"? When he left office, the J&J vaccine was still not ready but was almost ready. So the big deal you like to brag about....wasnt going to deliver on what was promised...unless we waited....for AstraZeneca to get it's shit together...to deliver the 300 million doses Trump was waiting on. But no...Trump was sulking because he los tthe election. Too busy playing golf to get any work done. The exact opposite of what he promised in 2016.

So lets look at how Biden changed things up.
He ACQUIRED more doses immediately. He isnt waiting for AstraZeneca to get its shit together and deliver the 300 million doses Trump ordered from them. He greatly improved DISTRIBUTION by making a deal between rival companies to make doses that were approved and ready. He helped with infrastruture, planning, and more funding. Biden promised to put 100 million doses in arms and will hit 200 million doses. Trump promised 20 million....moved the goalposts several times...and fell short on many other promises as well.

I give Trump partial credit for doing it in the first place instead of continuing to pretend it wasnt really a problem to be dealt with. Be happy with that.
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Mar 28 2021 08:58PM     link to this

I'm eating dinner and bout to throw up
Seeing how much u guys are writing and debating on this crap....

DIDN'T READ BTW....

ANYWAYZ


Get the vaccine or dont and move on


These blog comments are longer than my profile
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I the name of sexiness
Stoppppppppppppp


B greatful we r all healthy and alive!!!!


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Mar 28 2021 08:59PM     link to this

I'm gonna Hi Jax this Shyt
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Mar 28 2021 08:59PM     link to this

Has anyone ever ate pizza?
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Mar 28 2021 09:00PM     link to this

U guys like donuts?
Favorite kind?

Asking for a friend
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Mar 28 2021 09:02PM     link to this

Anyone wanna guess whay country this picture was taken in..


Hint not UsA
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Mar 28 2021 09:03PM     link to this

"If it is Trumps vaccine why are so many of Trumps supporters refusing the shot?"

Because people still have choices in life. I didn't take, because I'm never sick or have any bad medical problems..
Now if the covid shot could fix my knee without a complete rebuild, I'd take it..
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Mar 28 2021 09:04PM     link to this

^ TL,DR

Wish we had elected this guy, so could have like maybe 300 million dead people


Bernie Sanders
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"The pharmaceutical industry is the biggest bunch of crooks in this country."
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Mar 28 2021 09:08PM     link to this

That dude writes an essay when a small paragraph would due..
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Mar 28 2021 09:20PM     link to this

Gina Galaxy — favorite donut is usually a chocolate old-fashioned.

But I like cream filled maple bars a lot... anything with a cream filling for that matter.

Oh yea, maple crullers. YUM.
GoBallsDeep
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Mar 28 2021 09:26PM     link to this

When Dresden posts, you can just skip over it
Too much wordiness
Not enough truthiness
Blah blah blah

Angler1
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Mar 28 2021 09:59PM     link to this

I've read a couple of his post, will not read any of his posts that are more than a small paragraph.
That what's great about twitter..
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Mar 28 2021 10:05PM     link to this

When all you do is vaccinate government union members and healthcare providers, it can certainly appear to the rest of the general public that Trump didn't do shit.

Maybe they can vaccinate the teachers for the next 6 months and keep the schools closed to continue the charade until Biden can start a war in the Middle East again to distract us.
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Mar 28 2021 11:48PM     link to this

^distractions ...good point
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Mar 28 2021 11:48PM     link to this

IS THAT RIGHT ? You mean to tell me that this is NOT the BILL GATES Vaccine.
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Mar 28 2021 11:53PM     link to this

Gina's got the right idea. Hey Love could you bring us a dozen donuts ? I know Riverside is a long drive but I'll make up double in return gas home.

Dam I wish I wasn't kidding.
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Mar 29 2021 01:50AM     link to this

the biden camp is PUSHING hard to get the credit...unfortunately, the media will help them get away with it...with their media darlings


Fauci says COVID-19 vaccine push could be 'best decision' he's made

this DUDE is a frigging piece of work...once you saw him playing around with Cuomo...seeing who would play them in a movie? Pachino or Dinero??....you knew he was the most partisan fuck ever in his position





the comment section is great on the article

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Mar 29 2021 03:18AM     link to this

@Karl
Swamp@$$
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Mar 29 2021 03:19AM     link to this

Id do Cuomo....
Give him my # and resume
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Mar 29 2021 03:43AM     link to this

I think it is funny that you felt the need to post that you specifically did not read my post that wasn't directed at you. I guess the OP's post came in under the word limit and that is why you had no problem with length hypocrisy. Pretty sure no one cares whether or not you read every post on here. There is no blog police that will come after you. It's ok if you dont read my post. No one cares. lol


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Mar 29 2021 03:53AM     link to this

@Gina In case you took the above post wrong...the "length hypocrisy" I thought would make it clear I wasnt directing the post at you but in case you took it that way....it wasn't directed at you as you called out both posts and generally tend to hover around the perimeter of these chatwars and not get involved. Trying to change the subject made me think yours was a peace offering and I wasnt directing any negativity towards you in that post.
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Mar 29 2021 04:59AM     link to this

^ Now 2 more worthless posts?
Here's only part you got right about ur posts.

" No one cares. lol"

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Mar 29 2021 05:19AM     link to this

the real facts are the ones refusing the shot are biden supporters, not trump supporters
every single person I know refusing it are crazy left wing morons, including my business partner
and to a man, everyone taking the shots are trump supporters
quit listening to the communist news network if you want the truth
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Mar 29 2021 05:23AM     link to this

It's a personal choice to take that kung flu shot. I don't need to take it..
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Mar 29 2021 06:41AM     link to this

'If it is Trumps vaccine why are so many of Trumps supporters refusing the shot?'

1) You seem to think it's only people who backed djt that are opting not to take it. It's not & many health care workers are also refusing to take it.
2) Many, including me, don't trust the vac because of the speed it was developed. From beginning of R&D to fda approval & implementation it takes the average vac 10 years or 120 months to reach the public. This one less than 12 months. In that 120 months both long & short term effects are studied, that can't be said for these vaccines.
Do they work? No doubt. Are they safe? Won't know for at least 5 years.
Do I care what the FDA says? Not really. The FDA is in big pharma's pocket. Ex.: Valdecoxib (Bextra), Pemoline (Cylert), Bromfenac (Duract), Levamisole (Ergamisol) all approved by the fda and then pulled because they were unsafe and caused heart attacks, strokes, liver damage etc.

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Mar 29 2021 06:42AM     link to this

Fauci credits himself for early move on vaccines, called out online
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Mar 29 2021 08:37AM     link to this

I didn't say Trump's distribution would take 10 years like some dumb motherfucker...LOL.....

The rolling 7 million shots did occur in February, but the infrastructure to be able to accomplish it was in place, as evidenced by 1.5 on Jan 20.

This shit doesn't happen overnight. Experts said we wouldn't even have a vaccine for a couple more years and we are well on the way to tens of millions vaccinated.

But I am waiting on my friends on the left to start cheering when big Joe fucks them with an increase in Federal gas tax and a federal tax hike.

Joe will make up some shit it is Trump's fault.

You just can't give Trump credit for an accomplishment that historians will look back and say was miraculous.
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Mar 29 2021 08:45AM     link to this

he shipped almost 18 tons of PPE and respirators to China
He tries to help in dealing with the early stages of the pandemic and supporting WHO efforts worldwide and gets criticized. Then departs from the WHO to totally focus on our needs and gets criticized..

Damn,.....you would complain if someone gave you a new Benz...you would bitch it is the wrong color.

You keep ignoring the option for the Pfizer vaccine. Between his initial Moderna and Pfizer, the J&J and the Pfizer option, would be enough to inoculate every person in America. How many fucking doses do you want or need????????

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Mar 29 2021 08:49AM     link to this

I think Gina responds to people who give facts and multiple sources....and primary sources like HHS. You give one source....the fucking Washington Post that would criticize Trump if he found the cure to cancer......
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Mar 29 2021 08:52AM     link to this

considering there is a huge biden admin/media frenzy to change the actual history?? what do you want people to do? biden or trump voters?

same exact shit is happening on the southern border...It's trumps fault for the huge inflows at the border


is it best just to let it happen? just take it in and move on?


don't be a fucking mook...which party with media has the 6am FAX that has been going out daily for past 5 years? it's not the PUBS...it's the fucking LIBS







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Mar 29 2021 08:53AM     link to this

We can give both men some credit. Trump for warp speed and Biden for accelerating the network and distribution of the vaccines.

But that is NOT the case....and Joe and his administration are saying the whole thing was a shit show. If that was the case, there is NO way in a month, the system would be anything like it is now. Anyone who knows anything about distribution and logistics, you don't just snap your fingers and have 10,000 trucks with deep freeze capacity moving vaccines around.

Trump is getting NO credit from the current administration...Joe is doing his typical plagiarism.

He will take credit for everything Trump did that was good.
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Mar 29 2021 08:55AM     link to this

Insearch...

Exactly. Biden, the Main Stream Media and the far left mob is making up history as it goes.

They have no facts, data, reality. But when you tell the same lie enough times and pound people over the head with it, people actually start to believe it.

Of course, when the middle class start seeing less in their paycheck they might no longer believe that Joe is only taxing the rich.

And when we are paying $5 a gallon for gas and having rolling blackouts this summer.....same deal
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Mar 29 2021 08:58AM     link to this

I actually believe there are some smart people who have not been duped by the Biden-Harris (I must follow the new protocol for using both names in the administration) bullshit.

People don't always get fooled by their lying eyes.

They saw violence and riots this summer that were supposedly all peaceful.

They see a horrendous problem at our border that IS a crisis no matter what Biden wants to call it.

They will see increases in taxes.

They will see increases in energy costs.

Those are REAL.
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Mar 29 2021 09:00AM     link to this

If Trump had a different Covid expert OTHER than Fauci, I bet he would have won the election. Fauci has screwed up from the beginning....no problem, no need for masks, the U.S. is not in jeopardy, ...his list of bullshit goes on and on.
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Mar 29 2021 09:01AM     link to this

And I love the libs now blaming Trump supporters for not taking the vaccine....

Our current VP made some snarky comments about the vaccine and not taking it......but everyone keeps forgetting what was said before.
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