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KaiserSoce
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Doorman needs to be fired part 2
Apr 5 2021 03:07AM more by KaiserSoce
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What a horrible video...
I agree with the comments about “moral responsibility”.... but.... unfortunately we now live in an EXTREMELY litigious society... where getting involved in something could cost you everything... including your life.

Split second decisions are often turned on the “do-gooder.” After the event “Should have” or “Could have” done senarios are put forth... “You should have used better judgement.”

Employers often fire employees for putting the company at risk for liability for getting involved. Store Clerks have been fired for breaking up fights in front of the store. Doctors sued for stopping to help someone in distress... and it goes badly. Night clubs get sued all the time for security trying to stop attacks in the parking lot,

I had a friend that was at a public park. 3 young men were beating the shit out of another young man. My friend ran over to get them to stop. They wouldn’t, he pushed one of the guys who was on top off of the guy, the guy fell awkwardly and twisted his back... there is an ongoing civil suit right now.

Not saying it’s right.... its just more complicated today.
Getting involved on any level can quickly escalate and have life altering consequences.
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Angler1
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Apr 5 2021 03:26AM     link to this

What upsets me more, they did not help her after the attacker left.
Leaving her in the street was fucking ridiculous.
Zeros
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Apr 5 2021 11:30AM     link to this

Cant depend on anyone in the public space if something bad happens to you.

Either what the security did in that video will happen or a bunch of fools will whip their phones out to record your demise so they can post it on their socials for the likes.



What a sad state of affairs we have become.


InsearchofStarfish
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Apr 5 2021 11:54AM     link to this

if the guy got fired...I can see him bring his own lawsuit



PSQ1
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Apr 5 2021 01:26PM     link to this

Most likely the security guards are trained to not intervene unless it is on property or the property is at risk of damage. This way the property owners limit their liabilities from lawsuits. In this case, if the security guard harmed the attacker or tried to provide medical aid to the victim and there was an "issue" the guard's employers - property owners or contracted security company - would probably be named in a civil suit for damages.
InsearchofStarfish
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Apr 5 2021 01:54PM     link to this

well fuck...that changes everything

no harm no foul...normal course of business




yogi
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Apr 5 2021 02:19PM     link to this

Depending on defined responsibilities security guards are instructed to NOT physically intervene in any altercations due to liability.
Pissed of guy shows up to grocery store looking for employee he thinks is messing with his wife; guy wildly runs around store and goes back out to parking. Employee comes out and altercation starts and moves off property. Guy looking for fight gets his ass handed to him. Sues grocery store, property owner, and security company; probably sued employee that kicked his ass too. Store employees called police and security guard called police; what else can you do?
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Apr 5 2021 03:35PM     link to this

Even though the violent crime happened outside the scope of the security guards area of responsibility, there are many things they could have done without physically intervening, ie... 1) They could have shouted for the subject to stop or police will be notified, 2) They could have immediately call 911 to report a crime in progress as a concerned citizen. 2) They could have made contact with the victim to assess possible injuries to assist when first responders arrived on scene. All this can be done without physical intervention for those who are afraid of being liable and sued if something bad happens.

They just stood there and ignored the victim lying on the ground and closed the door. If a police officer is being attacked, they (the security guards) are obligated by law to assist the officer. But an innocent victim doesn't have those same rights?

There will always be a million excuses why one shouldn't intervene to stop a crime but, standing by and doing nothing and looking the other way is why this country is divided and will continue to be divided.
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Apr 5 2021 04:58PM     link to this

oops, forgot it was a tiny alligator...that doesn't count as much





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stumpy
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Apr 6 2021 01:12AM     link to this

For years the state of New York did not have a good Samaritan law and therefore many Doctors avoided having vanity plates on their car so they could avoid getting involved even though they were legally required to render aid.

Currently New York has a good Samaritan law. I am not an attorney but if you look at the New York law it seems to be very limited as opposed to some other states such as California.
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Apr 6 2021 09:38AM     link to this

-"again...we understand the legalities of it...and it's more a moral obligation to being a human

of course, the dude ain't going to be fucking jailed...maybe some canceling or family retribution of some kind


yellow makes some great points...talked about above


BUT, if there was a scenario of getting involved and risking being hurt yourself? this was it

If I was carrying a gun...I would have shot that dude in the ass a few times...if he turned to come at me? I woulda kept shooting.


A fucking old lady was being slaughtered in front of you...WHERE is that line of getting involved?


3 large black men watched it go down...then closed the door?"

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Do you really understand the legality? If you were to shoot the man, you are going to jail. The guy is being arrested for assault while you are getting arrested for attempted murder.


Rrod111401
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Apr 6 2021 09:44AM     link to this

- "if the guy got fired...I can see him bring his own lawsuit"

Nope.

Loss prevention workers get fired for tackling thieves at the door all the time. They are literally going above and beyond at their job.

If your actions are against company policy there is no lawsuit here.
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