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Locked. No further comments permitted.Vaccine I has been rendered less effective.
Apr 10 2021 04:55PM more by sherkahn
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Much like Trump’s limp dick (and all of the limp dick’s of Trumptards everywhere) the ever mutating virus has begun to show that the Pfizer vaccine is ineffective.


From the article:

“The Pfizer coronavirus vaccine is somewhat less effective against the South African mutation; a new study has shown, raising a red flag among health professionals of the need to continue monitoring Israel’s airports to keep out what could be dangerous mutations.

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The study, conducted by Clalit Health Services and Tel Aviv University, was the first of its kind based on real-world data. It has been published on the MedRxiv online site and therefore has not yet been peer-reviewed.

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The study counters a report released by Pfizer earlier this month that claimed the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing coronavirus among participants trialed in South Africa, where the mutation is prevalent.

In this case, what was shown in the lab turned out to also occur in real life, Prof. Adi Stern, of the Shmunis School of Biomedicine and Cancer Research at Tel Aviv University’s Faculty of Life Sciences, told The Jerusalem Post.“

How’s that flu comparison working out, Trumptards?

February 7:

That same day, on the morning of February 7th, the president mentioned, without supporting evidence, that Covid-19 could dissipate with the arrival of warmer weather, much like the seasonal flu. Trump tweeted that the “virus hopefully becomes weaker with warmer weather, and then gone.”
      
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Apr 10 2021 05:31PM     link to this

that's too funny

first, it's don't take anything made under the trump admin... then it was trump didn't even do anything, look at what biden has done...now it's back to look at the shit that trump had made...doesn't even work




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Apr 10 2021 05:37PM     link to this

It’s 2 separate issues.

1. The original vaccine will eventually rendered mute as mutations bypass its effectiveness. While it’s no one’s fault, just nature working, it goes to show that we will still need masks and social distancing for some time to come.

2. It’s a dig at Trump and everyone who has not taken the virus seriously, as more lethal mutations show just how wrong you have been, how you can be reinfected, and how people like them should never, ever have been put into positions of power.

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Apr 10 2021 06:51PM     link to this

The OP is a communist.
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Apr 10 2021 07:53PM     link to this

Holy fuq! The common cold mutates! Who would have thunk it! Better just get a 3rd or 4th booster.

Don't worry, they will have a new strain variant mRna hook up for ya every six months.

Roll up them sleeves baby. No need for approval, just get that emergency use authorization.
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Apr 10 2021 07:58PM     link to this

The problem is downstream: When everyone is vaccinated, the South African variant might have a clear fitness advantage compared to variants without the E484K mutation. This can be observed in the Israeli data when we note the odds of a vaccinated person being infected by the South African variant vs. any other variant is 8:1, even though the South African variant has a low frequency there.

I really wouldn't worry much about this, though. If it were to become the dominant worldwide variant, it will take some time for that to happen in part because its frequency is quite low in most places, and it appears to be even less transmissible than the original Wuhan variant. Meanwhile, Moderna is already doing Phase 1 studies on a booster shot designed to counter these E484K mutation variants. Worst case scenario, as the variant is growing in strength, the booster shot becomes available to all who wants one.
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Apr 10 2021 08:03PM     link to this

Guess what? Biden is in office now.

Get him to get a new vaccine that's good on the new strain.

Reading your posts, he shits rainbows, so this should be easy for him to fix all the ills in the world.

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Apr 10 2021 09:04PM     link to this

Biden came in acting like he owned the Coronavirus vaccine and its implementation...

So let Joe Biden own it.
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Apr 10 2021 09:32PM     link to this

FIFY:
"Much like Biden's eroded mind..."
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Apr 10 2021 10:38PM     link to this

Nothing like keeping the pandemic political dumb closed minded people.
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Apr 10 2021 11:13PM     link to this

In his own words and through the years Bill Gates has admitted his goal is to reduce population growth focusing on vaccines, abortion and control of health care.
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Apr 11 2021 03:57AM     link to this

How come u can't get a flu vaccine or flu meds when ur have symptoms or positive for flu


But no-one checks to see if u have covid before giving the vaccine


And good grief outside the US covid is crazy
Super sad still
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Apr 11 2021 07:41AM     link to this

The vaccine s a trick! We will all be flesh eating zombies within a year.
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Apr 11 2021 08:15AM     link to this

Gloom and NR the morning of every news cycle.
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Apr 11 2021 10:32AM     link to this

Gina, Cause Covid is the new Bully on the block.

Now there is a "Conform or be cast out " mentality. Subdivisions ~ Rush
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Apr 11 2021 03:12PM     link to this

Then there's this ...



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Apr 11 2021 09:24PM     link to this

15 yard penalty and loss of down against OP
Bringing fake gloom is a bitch!

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Apr 11 2021 09:28PM     link to this

Need to find another gloom guy...
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Apr 11 2021 10:26PM     link to this

Once again,
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In a recent interview, General Flynn encouraged listeners to watch Alex Jones' 90 minute SPARS 2025-2028 pandemic breakdown and defended the credibility of Infowars research and analysis of the COVID-19 pandemic. The excerpt from his interview is presented here along with a boil down of the full presentation that links a 2017 pandemic 'exercise' to exact events that have occurred during the over hyped and synthetic COVID-19 health emergency used to rollout global medical tyranny.
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Apr 12 2021 08:30PM     link to this

^ OP loves those

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Apr 12 2021 09:04PM     link to this

nr like "those" beef injections too.
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Apr 12 2021 10:23PM     link to this

^You seemed obsessed with me and gay things.

Says more about you than it does about me.
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Apr 12 2021 10:28PM     link to this

No nr, it's all about you...
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Apr 12 2021 11:02PM     link to this

So you think. Project much?
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Apr 12 2021 11:03PM     link to this

You can't seem to win any arguments against me, so you resort to personal attacks based on a slanderous interpretation of my network...
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Apr 12 2021 11:44PM     link to this

Keep thinking that nr, you'll be fine..
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Apr 13 2021 12:32PM     link to this

The FACT is that NONE of the vaccines have been APPROVED. They've only been AUTHORIZED - HUGE difference.
Why? Because there isn't a doctor alive that can tell you what the long term, much less short term - within 5 years, effects will be. Although now we're seeing cases of cerebral blood clots form frequently due to 2 of the vaccines but ... ALL of them have some instance of cerebral blood clot formation, just not as frequently, that's phizer, moderna too.

Essentially the government is telling you to take it at your own risk.

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Apr 13 2021 12:47PM     link to this

Too, the vaccine doesn't make you immune to covid, all it does is make the symptoms less, which means you can still spread the thing if/when you get it again.
Also you won't know if you've got it or not because the vaccine has lessened your symptoms.

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Apr 13 2021 12:59PM     link to this

"Although now we're seeing cases of cerebral blood clots form frequently due to 2 of the vaccines"

Not true. The blood clots are EXTREMELY RARE, and there is no proof that the vaccines are even causing them. There is an association, so European and US regulators are being extra careful to pause the Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are made differently than the other 2 vaccines, and there is no association of these with blood clots. We could easily vaccinate the US just with these two vaccines if we need to.

The only three ingredients in Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are a strand of mRNA, a molecule which naturally is in the human body, a simple fat that allows the mRNA to enter your cells, and an aqueous solution to store the mRNA before it enters your cells. That's it. Very simple ingredients.

I know I'd rather get the vaccine than take my chances with the virus.

The mRNA vaccines have been used in humans since 2017 without any noteworthy problems.

Vaccines are the way society goes back to normal. That's how important they are.
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Apr 13 2021 01:04PM     link to this

stop with the constant propaganda nr.
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Apr 13 2021 01:07PM     link to this

Don't believe me? Here's an article you can read for yourself from STAT.
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Apr 13 2021 01:09PM     link to this

"stop with the constant propaganda nr."

Not propaganda if I give only facts.
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Apr 13 2021 01:11PM     link to this

facts...
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Apr 13 2021 01:15PM     link to this

^Well, hotshot, if you don't like what I write, show what I said is wrong.
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Apr 13 2021 01:50PM     link to this

You sound like CNN pushing covid.. LOL.. Hotshot, I like that!
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Apr 13 2021 02:05PM     link to this

' The blood clots are EXTREMELY RARE'

They're 'extremely rare' after 3 MONTHS.
How rare are they going to be in a year? 2? 5?10?

They ALL have a risk of blood clots and you can't tell me if they get more prevalent the longer it's in your system.

You also can't tell me how the vaccines are going to effect your immune system within a year much less 5 or 10.
THAT'S what approved vaccines can tell you but quickly authorized ones can't.

You also can't tell me how this vaccine is going to affect the use of other vaccines.

Basically you can't tell me anything about how the vaccine/s are going to effect anything over the course of the next 5 years much less 25.

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"The blood clots are EXTREMELY RARE'
They're 'extremely rare' after 3 MONTHS.
How rare are they going to be in a year? 2? 5?10?"

Do you even know that these very rare cerebral blood clots have been occurring at a certain rate in the public before the presence of the vaccine, and that the rate at which these clots have been occurring now are consistent with this background rate? So with or without the vaccine, we expect the number of cerebral blood clots to be the same after 3 months, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, and 10 years.



"They ALL have a risk of blood clots and you can't tell me if they get more prevalent the longer it's in your system."

Did you know that having COVID is itself associated with blood clots and stroke? At far greater rates than we are seeing with vaccines. Again, since the risk of these clots from the vaccine statistically is no greater that what we would expect without the vaccine, I'd take my chances on taking the vaccine to greatly reduce the risk of complications from severe COVID.



"You also can't tell me how the vaccines are going to effect your immune system within a year much less 5 or 10, etc...."

While we cannot say with certainty that long-term side effects from these COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can never happen, what we do already know about these vaccines and what they are made of gives us strong evidence that they are unlikely to cause long-term harm.

Again, these mRNA vaccines have been tested in human beings for 4 years now. During this time, mRNA vaccines against HIV, rabies, Zika and flu have been tested in people for effects AND FOR SAFETY. The technology has also been used in clinical trials as a way to treat some cancers. It's not like we just started testing the safety of this technology in humans last year.

Secondly, as I mentioned before, there are only 3 simple ingredients in these vaccines: mRNA, fat, and an aqueous solution. The mRNA will enter the cells and will help produce the spike protein that your immune system will adjust to. Once an ample amount of protein is made, the mRNA, as all mRNA do, have a self-destruct sequence that will ensure that they will be broken down. In fact, all the ingredients of the vaccine break down quickly soon after you are given the vaccine. What is left are those spike proteins your body made. These spike proteins are themselves quickly broken down, and pieces of them -- known as antigens -- will help your immune system to be able to recognize spike proteins should you ever get infected with the virus that causes COVID. So, soon after you get the shot, the ingredients and byproducts are gone from your system.
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Apr 13 2021 03:06PM     link to this

nr, you can not say there are only 3 ingredients in any vaccine,
you did not make the vaccine. FACT
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Apr 13 2021 03:27PM     link to this

FACT. The vaccine consists of 3 ingredients. A strand of mRNA, fat, and a buffer. If you don't believe me, check the link provided:

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is made of the following ingredients:

1. mRNA
2. Fat: The following lipids are in the new COVID vaccine. Their main role is to protect the mRNA and provide somewhat of a “greasy” exterior that helps the mRNA slide inside the cells.
- ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis
- (2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
- 1,2-Distearoyl-snglycero-3- phosphocholine cholesterol
3. Buffer:
-potassium chloride
-monobasic potassium phosphate
-sodium chloride
-dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
-sugar

It's a pretty standard solution that is similar to many used in laboratories for many years.

That's it.

Moderna is similar. Check link.
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Apr 13 2021 03:31PM     link to this

You don't know what exactly what was put in the vaccine, just because you read something does not make it a fact. FACT
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Apr 13 2021 03:32PM     link to this

If you want to be fussy, there are 3 fats (not one) and a few chemicals that go into the buffer to preserve the mRNA.
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Apr 13 2021 03:33PM     link to this

"You don't know what exactly what was put in the vaccine, just because you read something does not make it a fact. FACT"

That sounds more like conspiracy theory bullshit that actual science.
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How is that a conspiracy?
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Apr 13 2021 03:37PM     link to this

If you want to go through life believing that scientists are here to fuck with you instead of trying to help, then no information and no rational thought is going to change your mind.
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"How is that a conspiracy?"

Well, either the scientists are telling the truth or they aren't. If you think they are lying about publishing all of the ingredients in the vaccine, that sounds like it came right out of a conspiracy theory you see on the internet.
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Apr 13 2021 03:40PM     link to this

'Did you know that having COVID is itself associated with blood clots and stroke? At far greater rates than we are seeing with vaccines. Again, since the risk of these clots from the vaccine statistically is no greater that what we would expect without the vaccine, I'd take my chances on taking the vaccine to greatly reduce the risk of complications from severe COVID.'

So countries, including the U.S, are stopping the use of the astra zenica and j & j vaccines for no reason what so ever? Or is it just an exercise to see how long it takes to shut their use down? Or a way for the government to show they're on top of things? Right.


'While we cannot say with certainty that long-term side effects from these COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can never happen, what we do already know about these vaccines and what they are made of gives us strong evidence that they are unlikely to cause long-term harm.'

That's either 1) an out right lie or 2) misinformation 3) just propaganda, .
There's NO evidence that they're NOT going to cause long term harm because NO ONE knows what the long term effects are.
All you're doing is pushing the government narrative, speculation by the drug companies and repeating what that hack fauci keeps saying.

'Again, these mRNA vaccines have been tested in human beings for 4 years now. During this time, mRNA vaccines against HIV, rabies, Zika and flu have been tested in people for effects AND FOR SAFETY. The technology has also been used in clinical trials as a way to treat some cancers. It's not like we just started testing the safety of this technology in humans last year.'

This is a completely different drug. It doesn't matter if the base is the same - Hydrogen peroxide has the same base as water but is a completely different compound.

You don't know what the make up of the vaccine is. All you know is what has been published.

At this point you're just pushing a narrative that makes you feel good and calling them facts when in fact they're just speculation because the thing was rushed out in less than 10% of the time it takes a normal vaccine to be approved ... which none of these vaccines have been.
No one knows the effects ... THAT's a FACT.


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Apr 13 2021 03:51PM     link to this

If you want to go through life believing that scientists are here to fuck with you instead of trying to help, then no information and no rational thought is going to change your mind.



Big Pharma makes a lot MORE money not curing actual Diseases.
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nr, just so you know, anything you post on HX or anywhere else on the net for that matter,
you will not change anyone's mind...
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