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Companies out there are developing batteries that can recharge in 5 minutes (StoreDot) right now I have a Volt and charging on household 110v is ridiculous 13 hour for 53 miles range. Luckily I have access to 220v and need 4 hrs. Most people don’t have charging stations in older apartments and EVs are not practical but if you’re in a house or newer apartments maybe it’s for you
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I too have a Volt, 2013 and I wouldn't trade it for anything. For me, as a commuter it's perfect.
I have over 150k miles and still get 35-40 miles on the battery. The driving experience is completely different. Electric cars tend to be cold as there is little to no heat generated. Cooling them w/ A/C is easy and cheap; heating them costs a lot of energy. I use my seat heater in winter.
Even on gas I get about 50+mpg as the aero of the vehicle is good. Handling is great as all the weight is in the floor pan. Brakes are good and they regenerate which helps the mileage.
So Cal seems like a good place for them. Mild climate, lots of recharge locations and slower speeds on the fwys due to traffic.
IF you take an electric car on a road trip going UP hill @ 85mph+ in a cold climate, you see how quickly you'll need a recharge station.
I don't think the elect. work pickup is a good choice. Lots of torque, but climate control, rough terrain and need to charge remotely may be an issue. Work trucks can use a lot of power.
Dave
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Wait for hydrogen
EV's are just dumb
All you did was move the location of your pollution
And, your used battery is a major pollutant
Grandpa is an idiot
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I don't want to be forced to buy an electric car.
The charging infrastructure is not there yet.
There is no standard charging connector. The EU has a standard for this regardless of what make the car is. Why cant the US do this too?
Its not more environmentally friendly. Just to make the batteries is a huge cost.
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Not to mention all of the open quarries it will take to produce all of the precious mineral needed just for the batteries.
Oil isn't going anywhere any time soon.
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Once you go EV with long range and is incredibly powerful (0-60 in sub 4 seconds), it’s a whole new ballgame. Can’t go back to ICE. I hate gas stations so it’s been great avoiding them for the past two years.
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I have an EV and I will never go back to gas for my commuter vehicle.
I can't say that a gas v6/v8 isnt necessary when you go places like the mountains but the ev for going on surface streets is fantastic. Started with plug in hybrid. did that for 3 yrs and then went up into full electric. Even the plug in hybrids are great. I was getting 40mpg and with daily charging, I only used the station once a month. Work started spreading me out further into Riverside and San Diego now so even weeks when I get 1200 mi on my car, I can get by with free public charging primarily. Hotels have plug in stations so that helps when I am out of town and seriously...its great.
Major point downgrade for how quiet the cars are. I have to drive in parking lots with music blaring so people know I'm there, otherwise I'm honking at the world so they don't step in front of me. Otherwise it is a perfect car. Drives beautifully, comfortable, quick, handles great.
Chevy is coming out with a program where if you buy/lease a 2021 ev from their line up, they will cover the cost of upgrading your plug in capabilities at home They'll pay for a 220v station to be installed so you have quicker charge times.
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Only problem is the CA and now even the feds are talking about phasing out gas powered engines altogether.
I dont want to be forced to buy something, then have to worry about when I take a road tripe the proper charging station for my particular car is available.
They need to standardize the plugs and charging stations.
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I have a Tesla as my first EV and it is a game changer. Every morning when I wake up, my "tank" is full. With autopilot doing majority of the driving, long drives are no longer a drag. I still have my ICE weekend car but as a daily driver, I will never go back.
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Does anyone tow a 24 foot boat with an electric vehicle???
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next car considering a hybrid
not ready for the EV quite yet
having a conv/amg was like disneyland every day(just the sound was exciting)...then a week later wife gets preg
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It would be wise to rent a Tesla for two or three days before buying a new car. It is a no brainer. Incredibly fast, comfortable, and the GPS and infotainment center is game changing. You also get added features and improvements every month or so that are automatically downloaded as updates through WiFi.
You plug in your car at night like you're charging your cell phone. It always has enough range unless you're traveling more than 200 miles in a day. When traveling, its smart GPS plots where you have to stop along the way to supercharge.
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I wonder if the average EV buyer even considers the larger picture when buying an EV.
Average mile driven an EV is "dirtier" than gas.
Moving emissions from the tailpipe to the power station.
EV batteries - aren't recyclable.
to make the batteries (China) - WAY worse than petrol.
(ever see a Chinese open pit mine)
(ever see the chemical leeching/ smelting process to extract the ore)
I am always surprised by the obtuse outlook on the "advantages"
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I have a Tesla best car I have ever bought. I have a level 3 charger (60amp) in my garage full charge in approximately 4 hours. What is a gas station? And I don’t care if gas is over $4/gallon.
Even without the performance package Tesla’s will smoke most muscle cars off the line, YouTube has a ton of videos on that.
Tesla’s supercharger network solves the distance problem you can drive to Vegas from LA and even the Grand Canyon just fine. and most are located near food and coffee. 20 minutes is all you need for an 80% charge. 100% takes 30 min.
Also maintenance is minimal, no smog test, no oil changes, brakes last forever etc.
I like the adaptive cruise control great for cruising and stop-n-go driving.
You can still get Carpool lane stickers and park in those low emission vehicle parking spaces.
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EVs are significantly cleaner than ICE cars and they will continue to get cleaner as time goes on. It’s a fact.
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No one here is concerned about the lack of standardized plugs on these things?
If I drive one of these things to Las Vegas, I do not want to worry about having to find a compatible plug for Tesla or GM or whatever the hell it is I'm driving at the time.
Also, call me when an EV can refuel as fast as gasoline engine can.
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If you drive a Tesla, there are superchargers on the way to Vegas and, while using the car's GPS, it plans your stops at the Superchargers along the way depending on how much juice you have in the car.
All Teslas come with a kit with adaptors that allows you to plug into every type of charger.
The kit contains a charger and cord to allow you to plug into a 110v plug (which would take forever to charge, I think 5 miles per hour) and an adaptor that fits a 220v plug (the same plug you'd use for your washer/dryer) that charges at 30 miles/hour. You plug in your car at night and by morning it's fully charged.
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I can imagine if this blog was posted 120 years ago, the same people clinging to gasoline engines would have been clinging to their horse drawn carriages. I’ll get me one of those new fangled horseless carriages as soon as I can start planting fields of gasoline crops the same as I can plant hay to feed my horses!
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You plug in at night when the solar generates NO power. So everyone will tap the grid hard when we generate the least amount of power. And when everyone is home using appliances, lights, computers , televisions etc. sounds like a well thought out model.
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Gotta love your typical, automatic negative response, @jazz51
In actuality, electric rates are typically discounted at night, from midnight to early morning, where you can schedule your car to charge only during that reduced rate window.
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I'm only "clinging onto gasoline engines" because the infrastructure is mature and I don't have to worry about it.
The Fed and State governments are trying to force EV's down our collective throats and they have no plans for the infrastructure side of it that I know of.
How long does it take an EV to go from 0 to fully charged if I am waiting at a charging station on the highway?
I can see the appeal of using an EV as a local driver, it's the long road trips that I am thinking about.
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I have a few coworkers who own an electric vehicle. They like it, saves them gas but not really fun to drive. They told me the toughest part about owning a electric vehicle is having to tell their parents that they’re gay because they drive an electric vehicle.
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You are an idiot. We had rolling blackouts all last summer because we do not have the capacity for air conditioning and all our other needs. We we shut down those coal and gas generation plants and have greater dependence on unreliable wind and solar AND we bring more electric vehicles we haven’t planned for it. The head of Toyota already told the Japanese government they have set unrealistic goals. Joe sets goals without a real plan to get there. If every Californian household had only 1 EV, we would need to more than double our electricity generation. We are it even close since we need storage capacity for our solar. No plan for the mining of the metals needed for the batteries. I am a realist not a blind sheep who believes the bullshit from our politicians.
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My comment was for mildlyamusing
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I’m getting a horse
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I enjoy when morons insult my intelligence, because how can a moron know when someone's smarter than them? They can't.
Like most of the conservatives on this board, you have a distorted sense of reality and you believe all of the bullshit that you are systematically fed. I hate that this morphed into another political discussion.
Since it is impossible for every California household to own an EV because they're not making them fast enough to fill that type of demand, you'd rather forgo cleaner technology in case it taxes our power grid in your ridiculous, unrealistic example. Yes, you're brilliant.
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I am intrigued when the batteries in electric & hybrid vehicles diminish and have to be replaced. The cost in labor alone will most likely be astronomical.
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I read that someone at Tesla said their cars should be like phones.
Replaced every few years.
I'm like, fuck that! I don't like car payments and drive my cars till the repairs cost more than it is worth.
I will continue to get ICE cars for as long as they are available.
Let this tech mature a decade or so.
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Its all fun and games until those rechargeable batteries need to be replaced. Fuck that.
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Lithium cell phones exploded on planes.
And lithium batteries in car accidents dont?
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I believe that climate change is a very serious issue, but the problem in dealing with it is that fully transforming our infrastructure and allowing decarbonization to take place in order to address the problem is going to take many, many years.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't start and even accelerate it.
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Here are some facts for you from Tesla:
Their batteries last between 300,000 to 500,000 miles.
They're working on batteries that last 1 million miles.
They can reuse 60% of the battery after it reaches the end of its useful life.
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MA suffers from Dunning-Kruger, obviously.
Link to Koonin's new book "Unsettled" What Climate Science Tells us, What it Doesn't, and Why it Matters. Dr. Koonin served as Undersecretary for Science in the US Department of Energy under President Obama from 2009 to 2011, where his portfolio included the climate research program and energy technology strategy. He was the lead author of the US Department of Energy's Strategic Plan (2011) and the inaugural Department of Energy Quadrennial Technology Review (2011).
Read it and STFU about what you think you know from watching CNN, k?
Thx
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"But that doesn't mean we shouldn't start and even accelerate it."
It does if we proceed stupidly, as Grandpa plans to do.
Every dollar we spend on stupid is a dollar we don't spend on smart.
Always keep in mind 2 things when you start down the road of Good Intentions
The Law of Unintended Consequences, and
The Law of Diminishing Returns
Everything you do now with EV's only affects additional carbon added into the system going forward.
It has zero effect on the carbon already in the system.
You dipshits bragging about free charge ups.....there is no free.
Somebody is paying for it and you're just free-riding.
If EV's were anything but a tax benefit to high income earners and a virtue signal for idiots, they wouldn't have to subsidize them or outlaw gas powered vehicles, amirite?
Seriously, how stupid can some of you possibly be?
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I like my hybrid car but am fully aware that is is worse for the environment than my standard Ice car.
People who talk about going green literally have no concept of the energy expended to produce green in name only products. But hey they get to redefine the language therefore they make the alternative facts real facts in the minds of the confused children they are indoctrination. We are sooooo lucky to be living at a time when reality is so easily altered.
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Hardly amusing....
No one said NOT to move forward with new technology. But stupid ass politicians open their non-scientific minds and set impossible policies. They do not look at the entire picture just set some unrealistic law. We have to crawl before we walk, and walk before we run. Do we have the plan in place for doubling or tripling our electricity generation by 2035, since that is when gasoline vehicles will no longer be sold. So if our politicians are pushing that narrative we WILL have the quantity of EVs with no ability to charge them and supply all of the rest of our power demands. I find liberals just focus on their one item agenda but don’t plan how it fits into the big picture. We need the power before we shit can gas fired vehicles. But you are such a genius you can’t see that simple fact. If you don’t believe me talk to the CEO of Toyota.
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Or maybe our politicians shouldn’t just pull some arbitrary number out of their asses....
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And they have no current mining capacity for the storage batteries for both the cars and the solar grid. But heck just toss out some crazy number and screw up the economy before anything can be accomplished
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@jazz51
California now mandates that all new homes built in the state must have rooftop solar panels, andTesla already created a new venture where it provides lower-cost solar panels where it sells the excess power generated by each house back to the grid.
And new battery technology that will be used by Tesla and Panasonic requires no cobalt.
The issues you raised have been thought through.
We can breath easier now because “crazy Liberal California” imposed strict emission standards that the rest of the country initially balked at and which are now essentially standard all over the world. Without imposing restrictions, car companies would never advance cleaner technologies.
I wouldn’t want to go back to the way it was when I was growing up in LA where you could never see the mountains because of the smog here.
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The article I linked to earlier criticizes Toyota’s CEO for his comments and essentially says Toyota will go out of business if it doesn’t create a fully electric car quickly.
VW has come out and said that Tesla is at least 5 to 10 years ahead of them when it comes to their technology.
Tesla has billions of miles of data that they’ve accumulated since 2008 that constantly improves their cars. I get at least six updates to my car every year, that gets downloaded automatically, one of which increased the power of my already ridiculously fast car by 3%. That gave that as a “gift” to all Tesla owners.
There is a reason why Tesla’s market cap is more than every other car company combined. Be proud that there’s an American company kicking that much ass.
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You are not reading what I am saying. The fucking sun does not shine at night when we would need to charge vehicles. Read up on what metals are required for storage batteries. No storage, solar can’t support car charging.
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cool lil article on telsa fleet
Electric Cars are Changing the Cost of Driving
Some Tesla fleets are already running well past 300,000 miles with no signs of slowing.
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Tesla (and others) have created storage devices (essentially large battery packs) that allow you to store energy from solar panels or the power grid (which can be scheduled during off-peak times). Those devices also act as a backup for outages as well as provide power throughout the night if necessary.
There were reports from Texas during the prolonged power outage there that Tesla Powerwalls kept homes electrified during the crazy snow storm they had. And they are phasing out the use of cobalt and other scarce metals with improved technology. Traditional generators that are powered by gas are obsolete now.
@ISOS
ICE cars lose power because the metals in the combustion chambers distort over time which allows fuel to seep through the cylinder heads unburned, which lowers gas mileage and results in loss of power.
An electric motor is run by magnets with essentially two main parts. There is almost no friction and essentially no maintenance, so it’s going to last a really long time.
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they have 3billion miles of driver-assist data to go thru
musk is an amazing dude...love his blunt talk...funny shit sometimes...the mars comments the other day were great
shit he even thought of a way for poor people to pay cash for his expensive car...with a few little assists
Yahoo Finance
A $1000 bet on Dogecoin at the start of 2021 could now buy a Tesla
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I am all for the technology and think Tesla has some great advancements. My point is that Tesla can’t provide all vehicles for all Americans and not all people can afford $40,000, even with a tax credit. Need realistic goals.
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Nothing beats a good old combustion engine and the sexy smell of gasoline.
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every time neighbor started his 63amg(last year of naturally aspirated)...I got a lil woody.
he traded it in for telsa suv when started a family
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